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[WCS AM] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 34

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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#661
and even more?
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#662
On August 11 2013 06:28 Sated wrote:
I hate these proxy Spire/fake Infestation Pit plays. I really don't know how a Protoss can be expected to scout that.

Well... Not so much on a small map like this, but on a large map!?

And HOW THE HELL DID THOSE LINGS GET IN!?


Do you not see the supply the discrepancy? Jim is just fine...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#663
I question the Muta choice in the face of Phoenixes.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#664
On August 11 2013 06:25 The_Templar wrote:
Quarterfinals
(Z)Jaedong vs (P)Jim
2-1

Map: Neo Planet S

Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
Jim spawns in the top right

1:00
Jim going gateway first
Jaedong building a spawning pool before a hatchery.

2:00
Jim getting a cybernetics core and both gas.

3:00
Jaedong building a queen.
Jim getting a mothership core and warp gate while expanding.

4:00
Jaedong scouts the main base of Jim with an overlord.
Jaedong building zerglings and has no gas.

5:00
Jaedong building 2 extractors.
Jim getting a stargate in his natural expansion.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 51 vs (P)Jim 39
Jaedong getting a lair and zergling speed.
Jim producing phoenixes.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 55 vs (P)Jim 52
Jim activates a nexus cannon to kill the overlord.
Jaedong getting a proxy spire and an infestation pit.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 62 vs (P)Jim 69
Jaedong taking his third.
Jaedong has lots of zerglings.
Jim has an immortal and is still producing phoenixes.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 64 vs (P)Jim 91
Jaedong running lots of zerglings into the main base of Jim and killing some probes.
Jaedong buiding 10 mutalisks.
Jim getting colossus tech.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 88 vs (P)Jim 98
Jim building a void ray.
Jaedong harasses the natural and main and kill lots of probes but the phoenixes are hunting them down.

11:00 (Z)Jaedong 101 vs (P)Jim 104
Jaedong attempting to kill the phoenixes with mutalisks.
Jaedong getting corrupters.
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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#665
On August 11 2013 06:29 Pure-SC2 wrote:
why mutas?

Because jim did not expect it! If Jaedong reinforced with corruptors, he would have saved a lot of his mutas after killing those probes!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#666
On August 11 2013 06:28 Sated wrote:
I hate these proxy Spire/fake Infestation Pit plays. I really don't know how a Protoss can be expected to scout that.

Well... Not so much on a small map like this, but on a large map!?

And HOW THE HELL DID THOSE LINGS GET IN!?


No different then when a protoss proxies stargate or darkshrine...
When I think of something else, something will go here
KaneZ
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany202 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#667
On August 11 2013 06:26 Xorphene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:21 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:09 Xorphene wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:00 KaneZ wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:57 Ammanas wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:53 KaneZ wrote:
First time watching WCS NA, cant really compete in productionquality with WCS Europe.


wat? I don't even.... What exactly do you imagine under the term 'production quality'?


Bright screen, no redeye just some random interviewer, average casters, overall setting of the show.

Though I like the map flyover.


Clutch is not random lol... True he's nothing compared to ReDeYe but he does his job just fine. And lol @ Bitterdam being "average casters"...


Clutch is just too loud and has an enormous ego compared to Redeye.

Bitter is superb, Rotterdam is below average.

WCS EU is much better in every way.


except players

you can't compare these two. eu has not that much trouble with koreans and has always a story line and tons of europeans. am has a different feeling, they can't do wcs extra with chinese and koreans it would be just weird. i agree that redeye might be better than clutch but clutch is everything but bad. i don't understand these complains to be quite honest


I was referring to the quality of the players in general. WCS NA has more top end individual talent compared to EU (which is true). I'm not referring to the American players obviously... but the Koreans that are in the tournament itself.


Then that should be a good reason for top notch production instead of :

1. Looking like it's in an office, 2. Having an egocentric, loud, mediocre host, 3. Having one great caster and one poor one, 4. Cutting off minutes from a game.

Just very poor, I had hoped for really good things after WCS AM was handed over from MLG to NASL but sorely disappointed i'm sorry to say.


I like the way this is going
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#668
HerO would walk across the map right now and kill him

Jim, be more like HerO
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#669
On August 11 2013 06:30 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I question the Muta choice in the face of Phoenixes.


He killed a whole bunch of probes, and Infestors are on the way... still with Jim's army supply I wonder if it even matters at this point.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#670
fleet bacon
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#671
On August 11 2013 06:26 Xorphene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:21 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:09 Xorphene wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:00 KaneZ wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:57 Ammanas wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:53 KaneZ wrote:
First time watching WCS NA, cant really compete in productionquality with WCS Europe.


wat? I don't even.... What exactly do you imagine under the term 'production quality'?


Bright screen, no redeye just some random interviewer, average casters, overall setting of the show.

Though I like the map flyover.


Clutch is not random lol... True he's nothing compared to ReDeYe but he does his job just fine. And lol @ Bitterdam being "average casters"...


Clutch is just too loud and has an enormous ego compared to Redeye.

Bitter is superb, Rotterdam is below average.

WCS EU is much better in every way.


except players

you can't compare these two. eu has not that much trouble with koreans and has always a story line and tons of europeans. am has a different feeling, they can't do wcs extra with chinese and koreans it would be just weird. i agree that redeye might be better than clutch but clutch is everything but bad. i don't understand these complains to be quite honest


I was referring to the quality of the players in general. WCS NA has more top end individual talent compared to EU (which is true). I'm not referring to the American players obviously... but the Koreans that are in the tournament itself.


Then that should be a good reason for top notch production instead of :

1. Looking like it's in an office, 2. Having an egocentric, loud, mediocre host, 3. Having one great caster and one poor one, 4. Cutting off minutes from a game.

Just very poor, I had hoped for really good things after WCS AM was handed over from MLG to NASL but sorely disappointed i'm sorry to say.


I have to disagree to be honest.
1.) I don't think so, but w/e
2.) I have to kinda agree here, I just don't like that style of hosting (although I don't think he is egocentric or mediocre in that style of hosting)
3.) They have 5 awesome casters and 1 poor one (that being Day9)
4.) There is less downtime in WCS AM then WCS EU.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#672
air vs air? this could be a cool game
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#673
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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#674
COntinuted muta harass with corruptor support! Beautiful play by jaedong!
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 10 2013 21:31 GMT
#675
Just tuned in . . .

Cast so bright!
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#676
That fungal was so close!
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#677
I don't know if this is going to end well for Jaedong. All Jim needs is Storm and Archons.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:32:44
August 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#678
On August 11 2013 06:31 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:28 Sated wrote:
I hate these proxy Spire/fake Infestation Pit plays. I really don't know how a Protoss can be expected to scout that.

Well... Not so much on a small map like this, but on a large map!?

And HOW THE HELL DID THOSE LINGS GET IN!?


Do you not see the supply the discrepancy? Jim is just fine...

I didn't say that he wasn't fine...

... I'm just asking how it can be expected that a Protoss would scout that.

o_o

Maybe read what is written instead of inferring next time..?


Same way any player is expected to scout proxy Citadel/Dark Shrine/Stargate.

Except Zerg rarely use overlord poop as a proxy pylon of sorts.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:32:36
August 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#679
Indeed, turn your video brightness down

Not a fix but hope it helps!
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:34:47
August 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#680
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