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On August 09 2013 04:04 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote:
Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe? Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out. How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record? Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there. It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted. Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
This is utter rubbish. Leenock and Life were truly great, and if you fail to realize that, then you're fucking hopeless.
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On August 09 2013 06:16 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 09 2013 04:04 Rhaegal wrote:On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote:
Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe? Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out. How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record? Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there. It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted. Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol. lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong. Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough... What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least. Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention. I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land. His builds relied heavily on infestor abuse in WoL, and his mechanics were much worse than the other top zergs. So, after watching Losira's series vs Reality, you think there is an eSF Zerg with better mechanics/multitask than Losira? I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about analyzing a player's games. Life plays poorly atm, win or lose, same with Symbol and Leenock. Losira does not.
Symbol's mechanics were not much worse at all, he'd consistently have more larva than most zergs and some of the best creep spread I've seen back then. This season he wasn't as strong, but he's still good enough to crack the ro8. More importantly, Symbol excels in the cerebral aspect of this game, he's very adaptive. If you followed Symbol since he first really started to emerge (I liked him wayyy back in his first encounter with IM in team league, this was before the famous reverse all-kill) you'll see drops, double nydus play, infestor lategame drops, brilliant tech switches, and even a form of ultra/bane ZvP that worked. All of this before he finally succumbed to BL/Infestor like every other Zerg, and he still killed with it.
As for Losira, I don't like badmouthing the guy because I want him to do well. So to put it gently, his decisions are so bad at times it actually boggles the mind. The game isn't just mechanics and multitask, not to mention that despite his insane speed Losira does have lapses in the army control and multitask department. He hits his injects extremely well though. If you're talking about analyzing his games like you say, you'll have noticed a lot of mistakes. For instance, the game against Reality was filled with sloppy moves into widow mines and losing a lot of lings for nothing throughout.
edit: my bad, I missed that you were talking about Leenock and NOT Symbol....which is even more absurd xD. Like the person below me said, Leenock is one of the most diverse zergs ever and is superb at playing from behind. Pretty much everything I said about Symbol, minus having more of an emphasis on decisions/strategy (Leenock is more mechanics) stands for Leenock too so meh. Oh, and btw Leenock is old-school and was owning with Zerg back in the dark ages for zerg with DRG and Nestea...I don't think he needed infestors to do well.
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On August 09 2013 06:16 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 09 2013 04:04 Rhaegal wrote:On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote:
Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe? Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out. How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record? Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there. It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted. Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol. lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong. Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough... What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least. Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention. I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land. His builds relied heavily on infestor abuse in WoL, and his mechanics were much worse than the other top zergs. So, after watching Losira's series vs Reality, you think there is an eSF Zerg with better mechanics/multitask than Losira? I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about analyzing a player's games. Life plays poorly atm, win or lose, same with Symbol and Leenock. Losira does not.
LOL Leenock has been successful with probably literally every zerg style in WoL. He did not rely on his Infestor Gadget style, it was just one style that he used towards the end of WoL.
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So It's just DRG left to attempt the nestea award?
nvm, MKP too.
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Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year.
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On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year.
>ridiculously easy to get
>two people ever have gotten it
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On August 09 2013 07:36 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year. >ridiculously easy to get >two people ever have gotten it
lol yea, it was ridiculously hard to get, and now it's basically impossible for anyone starting now
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TLADT24920 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:04 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote:
Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe? Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out. How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record? Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there. It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted. Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
Please tell me you didn't just write that. You gotta be kidding me? Life was the most feared player in SCII especially towards its end. He was so dominant winning against mvp, reverse sweeping leenock to win MLG as well as other tourneys. He 4-2'd Flash when Flash was up 2-0 in the first HoTS MLG finals. He's the most accomplished Zerg player aside from Nestea. His ZvZ has always been shaky which is why he's not doing as well these days. That and lack of practice since he seems to be playing LoL.
Symbol as mentioned is probably the most consistent zerg in WoL and even now in HoTS, he's always making RO8 appearances which is much better than a ton of other zergs. He loves roaches but he's not a cheese only player. Leenock was a tool of all trades. He was the equivalent of mvp where he can cheese or play straight up and win. He was a well rounded player and has some achievements albeit he never won GSL even when he came close(curse you Jijaki!). I dunno why he's not doing as well in HoTS. Maybe something is going on atm.
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Australia18228 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:56 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:36 slowbacontron wrote:On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year. >ridiculously easy to get >two people ever have gotten it lol yea, it was ridiculously hard to get, and now it's basically impossible for anyone starting now
They should change the # of seasons, but the NesTea award was still ridiculous hard to get - being the top 32 players in Korea for 18 months straight.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 15 2013 02:52 monkybone wrote:
the fuk happened to leenock?
The same thing that happened to all korean zergs. They suddenly started losing after hellbat nerf ( i mean they were losing before too, but not in a such a stupid way).
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EPT
