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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#1601
Poll: Head - OSL Winner?

Bomber (19)
 
36%

Rain (19)
 
36%

Maru (15)
 
28%

53 total votes

Your vote: Head - OSL Winner?

(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Rain
(Vote): Bomber


Poll: Heart - OSL Winner?

Bomber (34)
 
52%

Maru (17)
 
26%

Rain (15)
 
23%

66 total votes

Your vote: Heart - OSL Winner?

(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Rain
(Vote): Bomber

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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
July 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#1602
On July 30 2013 19:30 Wintex wrote:
Man, I really want to make the Day 2 thread now........

This macbook will be hard to be an OP on though, and I have NO Bomber folder on this machine either.

no bomber folder?
i am disappointed..
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#1603
Innovation needs to hire Mvp to prepare his Bo7 builds or something. He's pretty fucking awful in Bo7 considering how amazing he is mechanically. In the four Bo7 series he's been in the past two seasons, he's given up countless games to Soulkey, Maru and Symbol by merely letting them cheese him without scouting or playing safe. He luckily caught onto Symbol after being cheesed two times to take the series, and then he simply crushed sOs, a guy who pretty much choked on his own from his nerves.
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
July 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#1604
On July 30 2013 19:32 Willzzz wrote:
Such an exciting series, and that 4th game almost a mirror but a little Maru magic starts to pile up small advantages.

killed 6 marines in the middle of the map, got a little more dmg on innovations hellions and snowballs from there. very well executed and a weird attack from innovation.
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 10:35:12
July 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#1605
On July 30 2013 19:20 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:19 Brian333 wrote:
The happiest player on the planet right now is probably Rain.

Against Innovation, I don't think Rain has any chance of winning. Given his very conservative and safe play, Rain just cannot beat Innovation. We saw their ace match where it really looked like Innovation just straight up outclasses Rain.

But, against Maru? Rain has to feel good. All he has to do is get past Bomber and he could potentially be a back-to-back, 2-time OSL champion.

that's probably what symbol and bogus thought when they drew maru too

symbol: whew i got maru instead of soulkey
bogus: whew i got maru instead of symbol

...


etc


I don't think there is anything wrong with symbol thinking "whew I got maru instead of soulkey." He got destroyed by Maru but I think he would've lost 3-0 to soulkey in ZvZ anyways. Soulkey has like a 80% winrate in ZvZ and symbol is nothing special in that match-up.

And, I don't think Innovation thought "whew i got maru instead of symbol." I think it's obvious Innovation probably has more confidence in his TvZ than TvT. Innovation is the best TvZ player on the planet -- maybe even the best vZ player on the planet. And, he is already familiar with Symbol.

The flip side is Rain matches up horribly against Innovation and seemingly well against Maru. Rain prefers safe, standard play and Innovation is unbeatable in TvP unless you have a sniper build / cheese.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#1606
On July 30 2013 19:28 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:20 graNite wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:13 graNite wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:05 Serpico wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:04 Caladan wrote:
Game 3 was completely *NOT* Innovation's fault.
You never never can scout the whole map. He DID scout for cheese. Other than that he played a normal solid build order. "Inno on tilt" etc. is really bs.

Build order wins ftl...

Yeah I don't understand why people criticize scouting so much, all the bitching amounts to "HOW COME YOU DIDNT SCOUT THE EXACT CORRECT WAY YOU NEEDED TO TO WIN!??" Because it's a game with fog of war and sooner or later you simply have to go off of your gut and hope to scout what you need to in order to win? Sometimes that doesn't work out, folks. No one's fault necessarily.


On Anaconda he couldve just scouted with the SCV after the depot and see there is nothing in marus base...


he didn't do a base scout because it's a cc first so there's no point. what you going to do after you see there's nothing in maru's base? cancel cc and build rax? doesn't matter. too late.


I dont think you have ever played terran on master level before. when you arrive with your scout after depot you have 400 minerals and can decide to not put down the cc and go double rax or rax gas instead.
This was a 2 player map and really easy to scout


you clearly have not played tvt on the master level. anaconda is way bigger than bel'shir. cc first on that map is not unusual. by the time u do a full base scout of your opponent, you would have more than enough for cc + rax. also scouting = delayed cc and even more delayed rax which defeats the whole purpose of going cc first.


i am a master league terran on eu and i know scout timings with cc first very well. i went cc first in every matchup for a few weeks.
i have never played on anaconda, but I dont think it takes more time to scout the other main base than on any other 2player map. go open up a custom game, scout with your scv that build the depot and you are at the opponents main at exactly 400 minerals.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
July 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#1607
I come back from school to a totally unexpected and unwelcome result. Dream finals of Innovation vs Rain, maybe next time.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#1608
On July 30 2013 19:33 Fionn wrote:
Innovation needs to hire Mvp to prepare his Bo7 builds or something. He's pretty fucking awful in Bo7 considering how amazing he is mechanically. In the four Bo7 series he's been in the past two seasons, he's given up countless games to Soulkey, Maru and Symbol by merely letting them cheese him without scouting or playing safe. He luckily caught onto Symbol after being cheesed two times to take the series, and then he simply crushed sOs, a guy who pretty much choked on his own from his nerves.


So long as he talks to Mvp and not Last he should be ok.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
July 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#1609
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict

Overall gameflow. Important.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#1610
On July 30 2013 19:23 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:22 liberate71 wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:22 mcmartini wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:20 opterown wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:19 Brian333 wrote:
The happiest player on the planet right now is probably Rain.

Against Innovation, I don't think Rain has any chance of winning. Given his very conservative and safe play, Rain just cannot beat Innovation. We saw their ace match where it really looked like Innovation just straight up outclasses Rain.

But, against Maru? Rain has to feel good. All he has to do is get past Bomber and he could potentially be a back-to-back, 2-time OSL champion.

that's probably what symbol and bogus thought when they drew maru too

symbol: whew i got maru instead of soulkey
bogus: whew i got maru instead of symbol

...


etc

Wrong. Innovation stated he wanted symbol and was thinking it would be a hard match with maru due to his excellent ladder ranking and the steam he had built up.


Getting spanked 2-0 against Bomber probably didnt help his confidence either


Lose 2-0 in macro games, then lose 4-0 to mostly cheeses

feelsbadman


there is vods somewhere for the bomber/bogus match ?
Zest fanboy.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#1611
So how did the games go basically. I love this result.
illusiongamer
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico377 Posts
July 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#1612
On July 30 2013 19:21 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:20 ZachFreeman wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:19 BlackCompany wrote:
Artosis curse confirmed strongest curse of all time? What would actually happen if Artosis wants both people in a match to win? Light goes out and when its on again both are dead in the booth?

JD wins the game where lights go out.

Game 7 of OSL finals.

Light goes out.

They give the cup and title to JD.


Stop that even without that game JD has 2-1 Flash
"I'm such a fan of hooking" - Kaci Aitchison TI2013
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1419 Posts
July 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#1613
I'm jst superhappy for maru here. he deserves it, with his steady improvement over the last few months.

and i think inno is proffessional enough to come back stronger than ever. he will work on his TvT, and I am confident that his story isn't over yet.

cheering for bomber, and quite confident that bomber can topple rain here. he swiped first 3-0, and we saw what first could do with terrans.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#1614
On July 30 2013 19:34 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:33 Fionn wrote:
Innovation needs to hire Mvp to prepare his Bo7 builds or something. He's pretty fucking awful in Bo7 considering how amazing he is mechanically. In the four Bo7 series he's been in the past two seasons, he's given up countless games to Soulkey, Maru and Symbol by merely letting them cheese him without scouting or playing safe. He luckily caught onto Symbol after being cheesed two times to take the series, and then he simply crushed sOs, a guy who pretty much choked on his own from his nerves.


So long as he talks to Mvp and not Last he should be ok.

Hire Flash. He will teach him to go Wraiths vs Cloak Wraiths in TvT.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#1615
On July 30 2013 19:30 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict

Lol. I forgot to look at the overall gameflow, my bad.


i, on the other hand, am a fuckin gameflow master

[image loading]
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#1616
On July 30 2013 19:34 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:22 liberate71 wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:22 mcmartini wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:20 opterown wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:19 Brian333 wrote:
The happiest player on the planet right now is probably Rain.

Against Innovation, I don't think Rain has any chance of winning. Given his very conservative and safe play, Rain just cannot beat Innovation. We saw their ace match where it really looked like Innovation just straight up outclasses Rain.

But, against Maru? Rain has to feel good. All he has to do is get past Bomber and he could potentially be a back-to-back, 2-time OSL champion.

that's probably what symbol and bogus thought when they drew maru too

symbol: whew i got maru instead of soulkey
bogus: whew i got maru instead of symbol

...


etc

Wrong. Innovation stated he wanted symbol and was thinking it would be a hard match with maru due to his excellent ladder ranking and the steam he had built up.


Getting spanked 2-0 against Bomber probably didnt help his confidence either


Lose 2-0 in macro games, then lose 4-0 to mostly cheeses

feelsbadman


there is vods somewhere for the bomber/bogus match ?


I use the ones on Gomtv.net because I have an account there. I think you can watch the first Bomber vs. Innovation game on Standard quality for free.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 10:36:40
July 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#1617
On July 30 2013 19:36 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:30 ZenithM wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict

Lol. I forgot to look at the overall gameflow, my bad.


i, on the other hand, am a fuckin gameflow master

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Gameflower
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#1618
inb4 tl writers call maru evil/villain
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#1619
On July 30 2013 19:26 trwkling wrote:
Wait that interviewer was BarbiePrime??


Thats what I said... damn son.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 30 2013 10:37 GMT
#1620
Now that I'm back home I feel like puking after watching that series on my phone while driving. Unfortunately I'll probably have to do that for Bomber vs Rain too ugghhh

My thoughts:
Game 1: Innovation's turret timing was wrong. That never should have happened for a player of his caliber. No banshee damage and he could probably have defended Maru's attack. The banshee also denied an add-on. Innovation wasn't very active with his hellions and didn't see the attack coming at all.
Game 2: Clever build by Maru and Innovation just chose the wrong build to counter by going Raven first, an investment that isn't worth it at all. The second medivac was completely unexpected but Innovation should have seen it coming. Star sense makes long term champions.
Game 3: BO loss, but why CC first on a map where you can't wall in due to debris blocking one hex? Even if you wall off, the rocks will go down and the marines will still get in.
Game 4: Straight up outplayed. Innovation shouldn't have lost those units in the middle of the map. I have no idea what he was thinking being there knowing Maru had gone for early attacks all 3 games.
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