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On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/
I think Jaedong should also be above Innovation. He's better, honest. He took one game off him.
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On July 09 2013 20:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs) A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
It's pretty unlikely to be a mind game in the current meta though, you never see players hiding pylons to throw the other player off.
There was that one time Mvp hid two SCV's in his base as his opponent scouted him, that was pretty sick, but we don't see that level of mindgames often.
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On July 09 2013 20:39 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Rain...hey buddy,what happened?!You're supposed to be a P v P expert...guess First's just better huh?! that was in wol. I think right now it could be his weakest matchup. He still has done quite well in proleague vs toss... He just got smacked by first is all
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On July 09 2013 20:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs) A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
True, but it was probably the reason he went for the Phoenix. If there is no Oracle coming it's not TOO bad for him and if one's coming he winsthe game instantly.
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On July 09 2013 20:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs) A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well. You're right, it could be mindgames. But we've never seen that before and I don't see why it would have suddenly happened this game.
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On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
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On July 09 2013 20:38 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:38 monk wrote:On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/ You asked for it! dang it!
A lot could still change within a month, plus h2h doesn't mean your a better player.
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Rain has lost like 7 out of 11 of his recent PvPs. :[
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On July 09 2013 20:40 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place. Mapscores will not be counted in OSL. If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
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On July 09 2013 20:40 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:38 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 09 2013 20:38 monk wrote:On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/ You asked for it! dang it! A lot could still change within a month, plus h2h doesn't mean your a better player. he also smashed fantasy, who was ranked really high as well.
I know that a lot can change, but if first keeps this form... I think you need inno or soulkey to stop this force.
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On July 09 2013 20:40 Rainfall7711 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/ I think Jaedong should also be above Innovation. He's better, honest. He took one game off him.
First is the best Protoss overall right now, imo. He just killed everyone in every MU so far :-P
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On July 09 2013 20:40 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs) A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well. You're right, it could be mindgames. But we've never seen that before and I don't see why it would have suddenly happened this game. I'm actually surprised we don't see proxy pylons to mess with their opponents heads more often.
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On July 09 2013 20:41 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:40 edgeOut wrote:On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place. Mapscores will not be counted in OSL. If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
How is that 100%? Hyvva win fantasy and first, Rain win Fantasy, 3 way tie with 2-1.
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On July 09 2013 20:41 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:40 edgeOut wrote:On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place. Mapscores will not be counted in OSL. If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
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On July 09 2013 20:42 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:40 Rainfall7711 wrote:On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/ I think Jaedong should also be above Innovation. He's better, honest. He took one game off him. First is the best Protoss overall right now, imo. He just killed everyone in every MU so far :-P He might not be the best but he is really good and something about IM players and individual leagues that's a mystery always makes their players look stronger.
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On July 09 2013 20:40 Latto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:39 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:On July 09 2013 20:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Rain...hey buddy,what happened?!You're supposed to be a P v P expert...guess First's just better huh?! that was in wol. I think right now it could be his weakest matchup. He still has done quite well in proleague vs toss... He just got smacked by first is all
obviously he is still very good at it. weakest matchup doesnt mean bad in the matchup when it comes down to players of this caliber.
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Finally, I fucking hate mirror match ups with a passion
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On July 09 2013 20:38 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:37 Thrillz wrote:On July 09 2013 20:34 Dodgin wrote: First UNDEFEATED in OSL, GODLY. Same with INnoVation and SuperNova Supernova hasn't played his second ro16 match yet has he? Being tied with the #1 player in the world on that point is pretty good, First is also Protoss which we all know has more trouble being consistent in individual leagues. You know. I wanna mention the last match INnoVation has to play and say that he's gonna lose that because of the hellbat nerf, but I can't say anything positive about the other player so yeah. hellbat nerf is going to affect that game more than any other variable.
SuperNova and First are playing incredibly well. They are going to win something soon. If both of them reach the Ro4, I predict them in the finals.
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On July 09 2013 20:43 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:41 Darkthorn wrote:On July 09 2013 20:40 edgeOut wrote:On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place. Mapscores will not be counted in OSL. If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8. It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
Can't be these 3. Hyvva will have to be in picture for this to be a 3 way tie.
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