First notable defeats are: ro128: Acer Paranoid vs. Itwasluck 0:2 Avekatten vs. Heromarine 0:2 Pandatank vs. Prebs 0:2 Miniraser vs. Vines 0:2 Evaner vs. Coldscars 0:2 Azubu Genius vs. Stardust 1:2 (!!) Showtime vs. TargA 1:2
Hopefully KT Rolster hired a hypnotist to put HoeJJa under hypnosis and makes him think every game is part of a ProLeague Playoff, that way HoeJJa will qualify for WCS Europe.
On July 07 2013 00:02 TheFlexN wrote: Wierd that a player names Adonminus has got up all the way to Ro32 and he isnt even in the OP. Gogogo Adon, make us proud!!
On July 07 2013 00:02 TheFlexN wrote: Wierd that a player names Adonminus has got up all the way to Ro32 and he isnt even in the OP. Gogogo Adon, make us proud!!
Since he just seems to have beaten VINES, i'll put him in :-)
On July 07 2013 00:02 TheFlexN wrote: Wierd that a player names Adonminus has got up all the way to Ro32 and he isnt even in the OP. Gogogo Adon, make us proud!!
Since he just seems to have beaten VINES, i'll put him in :-)
Adonminus is from europe, we play in europe basketball championships, so israel is in eu Goody takes it so slow XP
This is a fantastic game. Just make sure to stock up on supplies to last through winter while watching it. Vines is out to Adonminus. Europe being defended from the Korean horde by Israel.
I think Goody's plan of breaking Lowely's mind is working with him throwing away lings like that. Other people do it by cheesing and mind games. Goody just out plays everyone. And I don't mean out plays them with skill. He just continues playing.
Is San even allowed to play in an EU qualifier? According to the rules and at least as far as I understand them, changing regions is only allowed till the end of season 1. This qualifier is in the mid of season 2.
On July 07 2013 02:27 pissdrankthegreat wrote: Is San even allowed to play in an EU qualifier? According to the rules and at least as far as I understand them, changing regions is only allowed till the end of season 1. This qualifier is in the mid of season 2.
I wonder if Morrow didn't go back to playing mech TvP. Last I seen it he would turtle then split the map and defend till protoss would starve. That would explain the delay of his games.
On July 07 2013 02:46 clipzu wrote: did the zelots jump up the cliff ? or am i just seeing wrong
No youre not, someone uploaded a custom map with the name so similar to ESL Star Station that 2 pro-players opened the wrong map (Heromarine and Nightend realised it in time though).
Those zealots had charge from the start and Storm aswell
Hint for casters - don't condescend to the audience. While Twitch chat is full of idiots, you're better off apologizing and then leaving it at that and MOVING ON. Because there's nothing you can do or say after that which will help in any way whatsoever with the people in chat.
On July 07 2013 02:59 -KG- wrote: Nevermind the overlay mistake and the hordes of negative ungrateful people in the chat!
Next game...Go Stardust!!
Truly. Worry more about the unhappy Blizzard whom you are representing while presenting the WCS EU, as well as ESL which has the superhuman Kaelaris. (IE, no mercy. If Kaelaris can run a stream entirely by himself with all aspects from a laptop, why the hell can't these guys? Okay, Kaelaris is in fact too good to compare anyone to.)
But yeah, while the chat was iffy on delay, no reason for the casters not to understand the overlay and keep going on about things that are 5 minutes old - acknowledge, move on, cast the new game.
On July 07 2013 02:59 -KG- wrote: Nevermind the overlay mistake and the hordes of negative ungrateful people in the chat!
Next game...Go Stardust!!
Truly. Worry more about the unhappy Blizzard whom you are representing while presenting the WCS EU, as well as ESL which has the superhuman Kaelaris. (IE, no mercy. If Kaelaris can run a stream entirely by himself with all aspects from a laptop, why the hell can't these guys? Okay, Kaelaris is in fact too good to compare anyone to.)
But yeah, while the chat was iffy on delay, no reason for the casters not to understand the overlay and keep going on about things that are 5 minutes old - acknowledge, move on, cast the new game.
Because mmm... nice storms!
it wasn't 5 minutes old, they responded to it in real time, but you heard it 5 minutes later ;D that's what started this whole mess
On July 07 2013 02:59 -KG- wrote: Nevermind the overlay mistake and the hordes of negative ungrateful people in the chat!
Next game...Go Stardust!!
Truly. Worry more about the unhappy Blizzard whom you are representing while presenting the WCS EU, as well as ESL which has the superhuman Kaelaris. (IE, no mercy. If Kaelaris can run a stream entirely by himself with all aspects from a laptop, why the hell can't these guys? Okay, Kaelaris is in fact too good to compare anyone to.)
But yeah, while the chat was iffy on delay, no reason for the casters not to understand the overlay and keep going on about things that are 5 minutes old - acknowledge, move on, cast the new game.
Because mmm... nice storms!
it wasn't 5 minutes old, they responded to it in real time, but you heard it 5 minutes later ;D that's what started this whole mess
No, I mean they kept on talking about it after it was fixed, responding to chat furor that was 5 minutes old to the rest of us that were watching it. Which is why, especially on delay, be aware that what you are responding to won't be relevant in 5 minutes when they hear it. Unless it's going on in the game.
But, to take my own advice now... Game 2 - Stardust or Heromarine? I think maybe Stardust.
On July 07 2013 02:59 -KG- wrote: Nevermind the overlay mistake and the hordes of negative ungrateful people in the chat!
Next game...Go Stardust!!
Truly. Worry more about the unhappy Blizzard whom you are representing while presenting the WCS EU, as well as ESL which has the superhuman Kaelaris. (IE, no mercy. If Kaelaris can run a stream entirely by himself with all aspects from a laptop, why the hell can't these guys? Okay, Kaelaris is in fact too good to compare anyone to.)
But yeah, while the chat was iffy on delay, no reason for the casters not to understand the overlay and keep going on about things that are 5 minutes old - acknowledge, move on, cast the new game.
Because mmm... nice storms!
it wasn't 5 minutes old, they responded to it in real time, but you heard it 5 minutes later ;D that's what started this whole mess
No, I mean they kept on talking about it after it was fixed, responding to chat furor that was 5 minutes old to the rest of us that were watching it. Which is why, especially on delay, be aware that what you are responding to won't be relevant in 5 minutes when they hear it. Unless it's going on in the game.
But, to take my own advice now... Game 2 - Stardust or Heromarine? I think maybe Stardust.
I think having a ton of people going "if there's a delay why can I hear sound" is a perfectly valid excuse to call said people idiots. And mostly they were just explaining why that is a stupid thing to say by explaining how delay works.
On July 07 2013 03:21 pmp10 wrote: Are the replays free to download from ESL? I'm tempted to see what Morrow has been playing.
You can click on the vs in the brackets and therre may be some to download in the "Media" section. But it depends if the players actually uploaded them. ESL does not anymore enforce uploading them, only to clear up disputes.
On July 07 2013 03:21 pmp10 wrote: Are the replays free to download from ESL? I'm tempted to see what Morrow has been playing.
You can click on the vs in the brackets and therre may be some to download in the "Media" section. But it depends if the players actually uploaded them. ESL does not anymore enforce uploading them, only to clear up disputes.
That's too bad. I can't see any pro-player releasing replays without being forced to.
On July 07 2013 03:21 pmp10 wrote: Are the replays free to download from ESL? I'm tempted to see what Morrow has been playing.
You can click on the vs in the brackets and therre may be some to download in the "Media" section. But it depends if the players actually uploaded them. ESL does not anymore enforce uploading them, only to clear up disputes.
That's too bad. I can't see any pro-player releasing replays without being forced to.
Well for example TrOn vs hoejja would be there from today.
On July 07 2013 03:32 Champloo wrote: So that guy casting was in the same house as Stardust? Sounds fishy if you ask me.
They were in seperate parts of the house. StarDust streamed the qualifier himself, so you can go check the vods to see that there's nothing fishy going on during matches.
i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
people like you make it even more awesome to cheer for heromarine <3
On July 07 2013 03:32 Champloo wrote: So that guy casting was in the same house as Stardust? Sounds fishy if you ask me.
Perfect example for a bullshit post. Stardust streamed the whole tournament and nobody saw anything strange yet someone tries to get attention by introducing the idea of something fishy going on because a streamer and a player were physically remotly close to each other. Nice.
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
Thats non-korean terran play in a nutshell. Without korean multitasking, T is not the same race.
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
You don't have to be "soooo good" to get through this qualifiers. You just have to be very good. Which Heromarine is.
Yeah, he won't win next wcs, but it's very likely that he'll participate in it. If you don't think that's the case, point at the 6 players from this qualifier (I'm assuming San gets through) that you think are more likely to get through than he is.
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
On July 07 2013 03:33 phil.ipp wrote: i dont see why everyone talks about heromarine as if he was soooo good.
all i saw is good timing pushes that will work vs most players of lower caliber, but got crused by stardust everytime. in 2 games not a single drop that counts (except the pure excuse of a hellion drop in the beginning) i didnt see any multitasking at all, just macroing and pushing with his whole army. guess this brings you really far.
and stardust played two games with zealot archon temp vs mmm + hellbats, thats like playing with a handicap
German bias.
Our only decent player is not able to play, so we bash our neighbor ones.
On July 07 2013 03:39 Devlin wrote: Can't believe there not more investigation/emphasis on Stardust advancing through a custom map?
He didn't. Stardust pointed out that the map was wrong, then after the game Lowely just said it's ok I lost and didn't want to regame (which Stardust thought they would do). That's what made SD advance, not the game in itself.
haha, i have no bias at all in my opinion. also i dont care about who is from which country at all.
i can understand people rooting for him to get into wcs, he definitly plays strong enough to get through the qualifiers. but from a spectators view, heromarine plays really uninspired boring games.
do a timing push, count on your enemy having not the perfect reaktion -> win. thats also something that only terrans can do.
On July 07 2013 03:45 Yhamm wrote: Europe doesn't hold anymore
Stardust making it in is still Europe holding. He lives in Europe and has for quite a bit as far as I know. Its not like he's Finale/Tails playing from Korea
On July 07 2013 03:44 phil.ipp wrote: haha, i have no bias at all in my opinion. also i dont care about who is from which country at all.
i can understand people rooting for him to get into wcs, he definitly plays strong enough to get through the qualifiers. but from a spectators view, heromarine plays really uninspired boring games.
do a timing push, count on your enemy having not the perfect reaktion -> win. thats also something that only terrans can do.
maybe im biased against terrans
i actually think you are super bias.
there are different motivations to cheer for a player / team. because he plays awesome / his personality / because he is the underdog / ...
On July 07 2013 03:44 phil.ipp wrote: haha, i have no bias at all in my opinion. also i dont care about who is from which country at all.
i can understand people rooting for him to get into wcs, he definitly plays strong enough to get through the qualifiers. but from a spectators view, heromarine plays really uninspired boring games.
do a timing push, count on your enemy having not the perfect reaktion -> win. thats also something that only terrans can do.
maybe im biased against terrans
i actually think you are super bias.
there are different motivations to cheer for a player / team. because he plays awesome / his personality / because he is the underdog / ...
I don't see what qualifies him as "super biased". But I agree to the rest of what you say. There is no need to rectify to others who you are rooting for.
On July 07 2013 03:44 phil.ipp wrote: haha, i have no bias at all in my opinion. also i dont care about who is from which country at all.
i can understand people rooting for him to get into wcs, he definitly plays strong enough to get through the qualifiers. but from a spectators view, heromarine plays really uninspired boring games.
do a timing push, count on your enemy having not the perfect reaktion -> win. thats also something that only terrans can do.
maybe im biased against terrans
i actually think you are super bias.
there are different motivations to cheer for a player / team. because he plays awesome / his personality / because he is the underdog / ...
I don't see what qualifies him as "super biased". But I agree to the rest of what you say. There is no need to rectify to others who you are rooting for.
like every post was at least a bit bias. maybe i read too much into it though
On July 07 2013 03:44 phil.ipp wrote: haha, i have no bias at all in my opinion. also i dont care about who is from which country at all.
i can understand people rooting for him to get into wcs, he definitly plays strong enough to get through the qualifiers. but from a spectators view, heromarine plays really uninspired boring games.
do a timing push, count on your enemy having not the perfect reaktion -> win. thats also something that only terrans can do.
maybe im biased against terrans
the whole ZvT is based around timing pushes atm. Not to mention that the most successful P is only really good at timing pushes/all in but it's a T thing... some ppl...
no i meant the "count on your enemy having not the perfect reaction"
in TvP its often a split second that decides everything
one emp can decide over a 40 minute game not perfectly or missed forcefields decide many games
if P or Z does a timing push its just down to having enough or not.
with T its like, he has 10 sentrys but i could just try to stim up the ramp and if P has not a level 9000 korean reaction i win, even though i shouldnt.
thats why in my opinion many lesser Terran players win games.
On July 07 2013 04:09 phil.ipp wrote: no i meant the "count on your enemy having not the perfect reaction"
in TvP its often a split second that decides everything
one emp can decide over a 40 minute game not perfectly or missed forcefields decide many games
if P or Z does a timing push its just down to having enough or not.
with T its like, he has 10 sentrys but i could just try to stim up the ramp and if P has not a level 9000 korean reaction i win, even though i shouldnt.
thats why in my opinion many lesser Terran players win games.
I'm protoss and you made me laugh
Your ratio of bs per post is pretty high in this thread...
4 seasons from now Blizzard will have to change the rules. The only problem will be if they'll have the great idea that all premier offline would solve the Korean problem.
On July 07 2013 03:43 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: StarDust \o/
why is there even a swiss flag on TL? :D
I mean, no offense to Pengwin or Lions, but we won't be using that in a non-sarcastic way anytime soon.
Well, we had BiGs before. Also, I think in TL and Liquipedia there exist all flags.
Wouldn't take the flag too serious anyway even if it's only a bit of fun considering NaNiwa is labeled as a German in ESL brackets
Pretty sure that the flags represent where the players actually live rather than where they are from (thereby representing which leagues they are eligible for, EPS for example).
On July 07 2013 05:13 messioso wrote: Just to make a note on the issues with the wrong maps being hosted and Zealots having charge/storm/cliff jumping.
Seriously? The one qualifier I miss and it's the one where Stardust and Bling qualify (with Bling taking out San to get there I might add) and Lowely gets as far as he's ever got?
On July 07 2013 04:09 phil.ipp wrote: no i meant the "count on your enemy having not the perfect reaction"
in TvP its often a split second that decides everything
one emp can decide over a 40 minute game not perfectly or missed forcefields decide many games
if P or Z does a timing push its just down to having enough or not.
with T its like, he has 10 sentrys but i could just try to stim up the ramp and if P has not a level 9000 korean reaction i win, even though i shouldnt.
thats why in my opinion many lesser Terran players win games.
I'm protoss and you made me laugh
Your ratio of bs per post is pretty high in this thread...
Yeah let's analyze...
1. with all matchups a split second decides everything. Not only in TvP. BS 2. one emp can't decide a 40 minute game. Generally at 40 minutes you have enough stuff to not die to 1 emp. BS 3. P and Z vP timing attacks are a lot about micro. Force fields are very important against zerg busts, even more than against Terran busts. P busts is a lot about unit control and is very hard to master. BS 4. If Protoss has 10 sentries against Terran, he is just bad. BS 5. Yeah right lesser terrans are attacking into lesser protosses who don't know unit compositions, or just flat out having enough units. It's not that Terran can just a-move ramps. BS
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