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On June 09 2013 14:31 Diogenes wrote:
I feel all the non-korean WCS's are really anti-climatic and rushed. The Korean GSL is so good because players have time to prepare for their matches. WCS Europe, America, and now worlds are rushing group and RO8 play into just a few days and the games are pretty mediocre. I think only MVP's smart play was entertaining to watch the whole time. Soulkey versus SOS was as bad if not worse than their original RO4 series from the GSL; just a lot of build order wins or huge punts.
Foreigners aren't getting better if they get no time to prepare either. The quality of WCS America games was simply god-awful and the rushed nature of the WCS format is to blame.
I hope Innovation versus SOS is a good series with smart play but I have a feeling it will be one-sided with SOS cheesing the crap out of innovation or Innovation shutting down SOS's cheese and overwhelming him with macro.
It's the formatting man. Western scene has always taken pride in their LAN-style. Plus the foreigners wouldn't get better if they had more time to prepare. It's like I said before you have to increase the frequency of meaningful games and up the quality of always seeing the best guys play hence the World Tour Circuit blueprint.
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how could innovation drop so many mules on a fellow terran? I only overmule when facing zerg or protoss, so so bm 
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Love how Day9 is nodding when Inno's speaking.
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On June 09 2013 14:34 Wintex wrote:
sOs looks so giddy :D like a kid.
Which is why his ID should still be sHy
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On June 09 2013 14:33 Fionn wrote:
Innovation is pre-Heat LeBron James until he wins a major title.
Major title = WCS Korea or a WCS Grand Slam.
Not even a MLG really counts anymore with the slashed prize pool and open bracket nature.
I remember people said that MVP was the Derek Fisher of Broodwar lol.
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The crowd seems pretty happy in the background
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On June 09 2013 14:31 Diogenes wrote:
I feel all the non-korean WCS's are really anti-climatic and rushed. The Korean GSL is so good because players have time to prepare for their matches. WCS Europe, America, and now worlds are rushing group and RO8 play into just a few days and the games are pretty mediocre. I think only MVP's smart play was entertaining to watch the whole time. Soulkey versus SOS was as bad if not worse than their original RO4 series from the GSL; just a lot of build order wins or huge punts.
Foreigners aren't getting better if they get no time to prepare either. The quality of WCS America games was simply god-awful and the rushed nature of the WCS format is to blame.
I hope Innovation versus SOS is a good series with smart play but I have a feeling it will be one-sided with SOS cheesing the crap out of innovation or Innovation shutting down SOS's cheese and overwhelming him with macro.
Spreading out the games greatly increases the cost of holding the tournament. It's not a big deal for the GSL to spread everything out because they have a dedicated studio and a regular stream of income from broadcasting live matches in primetime.
In this tournament there were foreign fans and broadcasters -- increasing the length of the tournament would mean more hotel or flight time. Also remember that there will be tournaments like this in Europe and the U.S. later this year -- if 2 Koreans are in the finals they'd have to fly back and forth twice if the format were different.
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sOs thought it was 7:3 odds huh....pretty much the same odds I would have given :p
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On June 09 2013 14:33 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:31 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:26 goody153 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:21 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:16 Bagration wrote:On June 09 2013 14:15 StarStruck wrote:On June 09 2013 14:12 Daogin wrote:On June 09 2013 14:12 StarStruck wrote:On June 09 2013 14:10 BigFan wrote:On June 09 2013 14:06 mordk wrote:
MVP we still love you, and I hope Innovation loses again, just so he can be confirmed as the biggest loser ever now cmon, that's really mean lol. Guy just lost a final a while back, losing this would crush him >< Hoping for close games with Innovation winning. This could be what he needs to finally feel what it's like to win a major title. Sos can have the next GSL  losing in two finals straight makes you the biggest loser ever? I'm confused. how big of a loser is MKP then Lol? I don't even consider MKP a loser. O.o He did win a few things back-to-back. albeit MLG. He is the 3rd most accomplished Terran of WOL after all Wait so you think the progression is Mvp, MMA, MKP? I don't think so. even though nobody asked if i ranked terran players from the top 1. flash 2. innovation 3.mvp or taeje reasons: flash has both insane micro and very brilliant in strategies innovation has well the best micro (i think) but not as good as flash .. because flash is flexible and better in tvt mvp has well insane decision making and is probably the most flexible of them all and does not crack under pressure even though he has bad micro .. idk about macro though and taeje is really good .. very flexible ranked based solely on WoL achievements, your top 2 don't have squat. As for right now I think that putting flash above INnoVation is pure fanboyism. Flash gets a lot of hype, but outside proleague he hasn't gone the distance yet. Proleague is SUCH a different tournament from individual tournaments that I think his stats there, while impressive, cause people to overestimate his ability. Putting Flash above Innovation is as far-fetched as putting Innovation above Flash. They're on the same level...it's really hard to argue otherwise unless you want to make the argument "The results on WCS KR is what matters and everything else that happened doesnt matter"
Well the original discussion was WoL...
...so Flash and Innovation still don't really have squat. Innovation did look particularly brilliant towards the end, of course, but an overall WoL rating for terrans would definitely be between mostly ESF players.
If we're talking currently, eh I still can't see Flash being lower than Innovation. But of course that's subjective, as are most ratings. Unless they use stats, in which case people hate it for not being subjective =P
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Inno should be inside of Day. Looks a bit excluded as he is.
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On June 09 2013 14:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:26 Dodgin wrote:On June 09 2013 14:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 09 2013 14:23 SHODAN wrote:On June 09 2013 14:01 Entirety wrote:On June 09 2013 13:59 Shock710 wrote:On June 09 2013 13:58 Evangelist wrote:
Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous. I don't know how many times the guy has to prove it. He can't even feel his mouse hand clicking anymore and he gave Innovation an absolute pounding. mvp is great and such a smart player, but not feeling the mouse is a bit over the top lol It's actually not over the top. Just yesterday in the OGN couch Mvp stated that when he's in the booth with the headset, he can't hear his clicks so he doesn't know if he's actually clicking... He can't feel his clicks, man. this is so sad. mvp, what a man unlike flash apparently his condition cannot be helped by surgery either. I don't think that's true, he just doesn't want to get the surgery because it means he would have to take a really long break from the game and he thinks he might as well retire if he can't compete for 6+ months. its what I've been told.
Unless you are Mvp's doctor himself, how do you know so precisely about how bad his wrists are ? Maybe he actually recovered. It's been like 6 months for him in code B, he would have time for the surgery people were talking about. Or maybe the wrists problem is a urban legend and wasn't even that terrible in the first place...
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Hey cool!
Stork is back on that talk show in street clothes!
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politically correct statements.
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This plastic chair for Bogus is quite awkward -.-
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On June 09 2013 14:31 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:26 goody153 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:21 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:16 Bagration wrote:On June 09 2013 14:15 StarStruck wrote:On June 09 2013 14:12 Daogin wrote:On June 09 2013 14:12 StarStruck wrote:On June 09 2013 14:10 BigFan wrote:On June 09 2013 14:06 mordk wrote:
MVP we still love you, and I hope Innovation loses again, just so he can be confirmed as the biggest loser ever now cmon, that's really mean lol. Guy just lost a final a while back, losing this would crush him >< Hoping for close games with Innovation winning. This could be what he needs to finally feel what it's like to win a major title. Sos can have the next GSL losing in two finals straight makes you the biggest loser ever? I'm confused. how big of a loser is MKP then Lol? I don't even consider MKP a loser. O.o He did win a few things back-to-back. albeit MLG. He is the 3rd most accomplished Terran of WOL after all Wait so you think the progression is Mvp, MMA, MKP? I don't think so. even though nobody asked if i ranked terran players from the top 1. flash 2. innovation 3.mvp or taeje reasons: flash has both insane micro and very brilliant in strategies innovation has well the best micro (i think) but not as good as flash .. because flash is flexible and better in tvt mvp has well insane decision making and is probably the most flexible of them all and does not crack under pressure even though he has bad micro .. idk about macro though and taeje is really good .. very flexible ranked based solely on WoL achievements, your top 2 don't have squat. As for right now I think that putting flash above INnoVation is pure fanboyism. Flash gets a lot of hype, but outside proleague he hasn't gone the distance yet. Proleague is SUCH a different tournament from individual tournaments that I think his stats there, while impressive, cause people to overestimate his ability.
Team leagues and individual leagues require somewhat different skillsets and strenghts, but your argument only holds true if you rank individual league achievements higher than team league achievements. I do agree that Innovation seems to be slightly better than Flash right now, even though I am a huge Flash fanboy.
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On June 09 2013 14:36 Sabu113 wrote:
Inno should be inside of Day. Looks a bit excluded as he is.
I read that wrong at first :3
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On June 09 2013 14:36 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 09 2013 14:26 Dodgin wrote:On June 09 2013 14:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 09 2013 14:23 SHODAN wrote:On June 09 2013 14:01 Entirety wrote:On June 09 2013 13:59 Shock710 wrote:On June 09 2013 13:58 Evangelist wrote:
Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous. I don't know how many times the guy has to prove it. He can't even feel his mouse hand clicking anymore and he gave Innovation an absolute pounding. mvp is great and such a smart player, but not feeling the mouse is a bit over the top lol It's actually not over the top. Just yesterday in the OGN couch Mvp stated that when he's in the booth with the headset, he can't hear his clicks so he doesn't know if he's actually clicking... He can't feel his clicks, man. this is so sad. mvp, what a man unlike flash apparently his condition cannot be helped by surgery either. I don't think that's true, he just doesn't want to get the surgery because it means he would have to take a really long break from the game and he thinks he might as well retire if he can't compete for 6+ months. its what I've been told. Unless you are Mvp's doctor himself, how do you know so precisely about how bad his wrists are ? Maybe he actually recovered. It's been like 6 months for him in code B, he would have time for the surgery people were talking about. Or maybe the wrists problem is a urban legend and wasn't even that terrible in the first place...
Yea because he was lying yesterday during the interview. Please don't talk about stuff you clearly are too ignorant for.
The man needs to rely on hearing to know if he double clicks ffs.
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On June 09 2013 14:35 Laryleprakon wrote:
The crowd seems pretty happy in the background
Ya, looks like they're doing a lot to keep them busy/happy/interested.
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