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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5921
On June 07 2013 19:49 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.


We do? or you do hahaha.

I thought "we" talk about the players that actually fall under eSF?

This was the division born from the Elephant theory article, I didn't invent this. The article said the relevant thing was the training and work discipline that KeSPA teams had/have, which means "Elephants" are those players who were subject to that training, who switched to SC2 in the large KeSPA switch and not before.
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5922
On June 07 2013 19:51 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:50 Erraa93 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 Wintex wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.

What the hell is Parting... that monstrosity.


He's a mercenary.

Right price for hire


Some people also call that a prostitute


Pay for entertainment? That fits too
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5923
On June 07 2013 19:51 1raxexpand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.

Alicia has never played for an eSF team

He played for Slayers

Slayers was never part of eSF, part of the issue the whole drama existed.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5924
On June 07 2013 19:49 Assirra wrote:
Just back home and see Mvp made it out.
How were his games vs Alicia and Kanhgo? (watched the Ryung ones)

Loved Jürgens mech play...game 3 vs Kangho.
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5925
On June 07 2013 19:51 oneill12 wrote:
Well this sucks, tournament is dead for me until maybe the finals. Korean-foreign hopes???


Yeah this sucks, the best players in the world are competing for $40,000
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 10:53:56
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5926
On June 07 2013 19:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.

Alicia has never played for an eSF team

Slayers, and no it wasn't officially eSF but again, that's not the point of the original division of the players.

If you want to do it that way, don't even discuss eSF vs KeSPA because it makes no sense at all, it's completely pointless
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5927
On June 07 2013 19:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:50 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 Assirra wrote:
Just back home and see Mvp made it out.
How were his games vs Alicia and Kanhgo? (watched the Ryung ones)


Watch the vods for the Mvp vs Kangho series it was really entertaining, vs Alicia not so much.

How were the foreigner games? Can you suggest 1-2 good series?
watch TLO-Stephano and Dimaga-Revival
well, unless you really hate ZvZ
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 07 2013 10:52 GMT
#5928
On June 07 2013 19:52 Erraa93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:51 liberate71 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:50 Erraa93 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 Wintex wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.

What the hell is Parting... that monstrosity.


He's a mercenary.

Right price for hire


Some people also call that a prostitute


Pay for entertainment? That fits too


hahahaha
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 07 2013 10:53 GMT
#5929
By the way everyone, check out this thread in the general section:

[WCS Finals] Submit Q's for Player Interviews!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416271

They're going to interview some players tomorrow on the side stage
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
June 07 2013 10:53 GMT
#5930
On June 07 2013 19:52 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.

Alicia has never played for an eSF team

Slayers

Were never part of ESF? D:
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
June 07 2013 10:53 GMT
#5931
On June 07 2013 19:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:50 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 Assirra wrote:
Just back home and see Mvp made it out.
How were his games vs Alicia and Kanhgo? (watched the Ryung ones)


Watch the vods for the Mvp vs Kangho series it was really entertaining, vs Alicia not so much.

How were the foreigner games? Can you suggest 1-2 good series?


If you like strange zvz's watch Dimaga vs Revival.
In the rear with the gear!
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
June 07 2013 10:53 GMT
#5932
On June 07 2013 19:52 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:49 liberate71 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.


We do? or you do hahaha.

I thought "we" talk about the players that actually fall under eSF?

This was the division born from the Elephant theory article, I didn't invent this. The article said the relevant thing was the training and work discipline that KeSPA teams had/have, which means "Elephants" are those players who were subject to that training, who switched to SC2 in the large KeSPA switch and not before.

Esf is a group of specific teams in korea and the players that play on those teams. It's pretty black and white to me. The debate is SC2 players versus late switchers, not kespa versus only eSF players
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#5933
That timing attack from roro too strong.
liftlift > tsm
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#5934
On June 07 2013 19:52 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:49 liberate71 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.


We do? or you do hahaha.

I thought "we" talk about the players that actually fall under eSF?

This was the division born from the Elephant theory article, I didn't invent this. The article said the relevant thing was the training and work discipline that KeSPA teams had/have, which means "Elephants" are those players who were subject to that training, who switched to SC2 in the large KeSPA switch and not before.


Yeah "Elephants" are well defined - but I dont think the term eSF was in place when the article was made.

Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#5935
Good work Roro!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
June 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#5936
Please look at the games and not what RL race the people are. Fuck, tomorrow is going to be sick with great games. TT the regions they came from are the regions they represent.

oh well, KOREAKOREAKOREA
The Bomber boy
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
June 07 2013 10:55 GMT
#5937
Stampede incoming!
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
June 07 2013 10:55 GMT
#5938
Doas hair is glorious
Cackle™
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 07 2013 10:55 GMT
#5939
On June 07 2013 19:54 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:52 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 liberate71 wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:49 mordk wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:46 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:45 jekku wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:43 edgeOut wrote:
No eSF players in ro8, that's a shocker.


MVP? Alicia? ForGG?

Mvp is the only one on an ESF team

When talking about eSF players we refer to players who were "raised" in the SC2 environment, and were in SC2 from the beginning, or have had the majority of their training on an eSF team. MVP, Alicia, Revival, aLive are all eSF players.


We do? or you do hahaha.

I thought "we" talk about the players that actually fall under eSF?

This was the division born from the Elephant theory article, I didn't invent this. The article said the relevant thing was the training and work discipline that KeSPA teams had/have, which means "Elephants" are those players who were subject to that training, who switched to SC2 in the large KeSPA switch and not before.


Yeah "Elephants" are well defined - but I dont think the term eSF was in place when the article was made.


As I recall it took eSF quite a while to come together and become something resembling a legit organization. Wasn't there something called SC2Con or whatever before eSF?
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 07 2013 10:55 GMT
#5940
meh... i want to see ZvZ with ultras, broodlords etc again, like in the dimagagames!
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