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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 12:07:10
June 01 2013 12:06 GMT
#7301
On June 01 2013 20:45 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 20:41 TheBB wrote:
On June 01 2013 16:14 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On June 01 2013 16:11 Fionn wrote:
And again, the 19th of 21 GSL finals have started 2-0.

You don't come back from 2-0 against Innovation. Nobody can press the advantage like he does (got a few all-kills in his pocket).

I like this quote.

Well can you blame for that?

I probably could if I wanted to. But I don't.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 01 2013 12:10 GMT
#7302
I'm actually not surprised at how dismantled innovation looked in game 7. It is infinitely harder to defend drops in multiple places then it is to attack in multiple places - if only because reacting is slower then initiating - and that same weakness was displayed when flash decided to hell bat drop innovation. To be honest I expect for zergs to start doing better against innovation in the future when they stop allowing him to dictate the game and actually move out of there base to harass him.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 01 2013 12:11 GMT
#7303
The 4th and 5th games are worthy watching if you are a zerg wanting to know how to exploit greedy terran play, they were quite educational, considering Innovation played the cards he was dealt as perfectly as anyone could and still got stomped.
Overall I give a "if you have nothing else to do/time" for the whole thing.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
June 01 2013 12:12 GMT
#7304
I wasted my time, dunno why I was expecting innovation to win.
Rainbow Cuddles
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States486 Posts
June 01 2013 12:13 GMT
#7305
On June 01 2013 21:12 Sakray wrote:
I wasted my time, dunno why I was expecting innovation to win.


Because he should have won. If he went tanks as he should have, because it's safer, he would have been fine. Finer, anyway. He also had a mad throws last game.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 01 2013 12:16 GMT
#7306
A considerable amount of people in the chats and in here seemed to seriously consider that there was something arranged in this final. Let me tell you: when people really arrange such things they don't make them look ridiculously suspicious. No, in those cases you won't even be able to tell. On the other hand, reality has proven time and again that it can stir events that the human brain refuses to believe are not prearranged, exactly when they are not. It's a flaw of our pattern-finding brains. If you show actual random sequences of numbers to people mixed with prearranged sequences that "look random", people are more likely to accuse the actual random sequences of being arranged by humans. They don't believe how true randomness forms patterns spontaneously.

Sooolkeeey!! :D Still so happy..
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
June 01 2013 12:18 GMT
#7307
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?
dustinth
Profile Joined September 2012
China205 Posts
June 01 2013 12:20 GMT
#7308
On June 01 2013 21:18 Salient wrote:
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?


Sniper is random Z, others not.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
June 01 2013 12:21 GMT
#7309
On June 01 2013 21:18 Salient wrote:
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?

Don't worry, this GSL didn't really mean anything anyway. It was mostly a test of who could more effectively all-in more than anything. Soulkey is better at it, by the way. Plus, the upcoming weekend is a tournament with an even larger prize pool. Shouldn't we care about that one even more?!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 01 2013 12:22 GMT
#7310
Gosh please not another Zerg champion.....


LiquipediaWanderer
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 01 2013 12:22 GMT
#7311
On June 01 2013 21:21 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:18 Salient wrote:
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?

Don't worry, this GSL didn't really mean anything anyway. It was mostly a test of who could more effectively all-in more than anything. Soulkey is better at it, by the way. Plus, the upcoming weekend is a tournament with an even larger prize pool. Shouldn't we care about that one even more?!

Posts like these really reveal quite a lot.
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
June 01 2013 12:24 GMT
#7312
On June 01 2013 18:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:55 PerryHooter wrote:
Innovation's reluctance to build tanks to defend cost him the games I guess. Mines just aren't as effective in defending when the zerg knows how to deal with them. I suspect a player like MVP would be able to make such an adjustment to his play between the games, Innovation couldn't.

Also, seems Innovation might be slightly overrated in the foreign community. Nevertheless, he'll be a champion one day for sure.


LOL first of all. Maybe you should check his recent stats in pro league, look at his vs Z record minus vs Soulkey, and also keep in mind that he is the GSL runner up and made it to the ro4 last GSL before calling someone slightly overrated.


First of all, you can be the best in the world and still be overrated. That's something a lot of people don't understand it seems.

In the foreign community the discussion was more about with what score innovation is going to win. Some thought 4-0, some 4-2, some who liked soulkey said only 4-3 to innovation etc. Very few thought soulkey would take it. People had the idea that innovation was perfect in every aspect of the game, and had nothing that even comes close to a weakness.

Among the korean casters, two of them gave the edge to soulkey and only one of them to innovation. They said something along the lines of him having issues with his defense sometimes, which we definitely saw today.

With that said, I do think he's been slightly overrated in the foreign community. At least he's human and not the perfect player everyone made him out to be. I also think he's the best player in the world, despite the fact that he lost.
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 01 2013 12:24 GMT
#7313
So...does this final have the unenviable distinction of being the worst final to go the full seven?
Rainbow Cuddles
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States486 Posts
June 01 2013 12:25 GMT
#7314
On June 01 2013 21:21 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:18 Salient wrote:
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?

Don't worry, this GSL didn't really mean anything anyway. It was mostly a test of who could more effectively all-in more than anything. Soulkey is better at it, by the way. Plus, the upcoming weekend is a tournament with an even larger prize pool. Shouldn't we care about that one even more?!


I don't think anyone honestly took this GSL seriously. It's the first one after HotS came out. It's broken to hell right now.

I believe I posted this after the 6th game, but you shouldn't have 6 games with 2 of the best players & not end up using this many units:
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
June 01 2013 12:27 GMT
#7315
Artosis at the end of game 3: "In fact the only question now is whether Inno will win the next season or not. He has won this season already".

At the end of game 7:.......(I felt asleep FML).
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 01 2013 12:31 GMT
#7316
On June 01 2013 21:25 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:21 Blargh wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:18 Salient wrote:
Isn't this like the 4th Zerg champion in a row? Life, Sniper, Roro, SoulKey . . . What's up with all the random Zs winning once and then being replaced by another random Z?

Don't worry, this GSL didn't really mean anything anyway. It was mostly a test of who could more effectively all-in more than anything. Soulkey is better at it, by the way. Plus, the upcoming weekend is a tournament with an even larger prize pool. Shouldn't we care about that one even more?!


I don't think anyone honestly took this GSL seriously. It's the first one after HotS came out. It's broken to hell right now.

I believe I posted this after the 6th game, but you shouldn't have 6 games with 2 of the best players & not end up using this many units: https://twitter.com/MLG_Molly/status/340748050207215616

So basically Bogus doesn't play mech and Soulkey doesn't like to tech.

I don't think this series is anything to go on in terms of balance or what have you, most of the games were all-ins.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 01 2013 12:32 GMT
#7317
On June 01 2013 20:50 Koshi wrote:
0800AM my alarm went.
I decided to continue sleeping.
Fuck me.


Same shit, I went for the usual "fuck ~~ 5min more, games are gonna be delayed anyway" ... woke up at 13h30 :S
Terran & Potato Salad.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 12:33:49
June 01 2013 12:32 GMT
#7318
On June 01 2013 21:24 forsooth wrote:
So...does this final have the unenviable distinction of being the worst final to go the full seven?


Yes, after a zerg flooding in the end of WoL, we can't seem to have a protoss nor a Terran win GSL since summer 2012.

Currently a 5 title streak, with 4 different zerg, and only 2 terran, one protoss runner-up.

But people complain about the hellbat, and protoss is just the forgotten race of SC2. Bleh..

And watching 70% all-in is quite boring compared to back and forth macro games. Incoming baneling roach busts every single game on the ladder. Thank you Soulkey.
LiquipediaWanderer
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 01 2013 12:35 GMT
#7319
On June 01 2013 21:32 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 20:50 Koshi wrote:
0800AM my alarm went.
I decided to continue sleeping.
Fuck me.


Same shit, I went for the usual "fuck ~~ 5min more, games are gonna be delayed anyway" ... woke up at 13h30 :S


Haha, I'm quite proud of myself for getting up (fell asleep just after 4). You guys clearly didn't want it bad enough :p
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 12:39:28
June 01 2013 12:35 GMT
#7320
On June 01 2013 21:32 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:24 forsooth wrote:
So...does this final have the unenviable distinction of being the worst final to go the full seven?


Yes, after a zerg flooding in the end of WoL, we can't seem to have a protoss nor a Terran win GSL since summer 2012.

Currently a 5 title streak, with 4 different zerg, and only 2 terran, one protoss runner-up.

But people complain about the hellbat, and protoss is just the forgotten race of SC2. Bleh..

And watching 70% all-in is quite boring compared to back and forth macro games. Incoming baneling roach busts every single game on the ladder. Thank you Soulkey.



You counter 3 CC/2Ebays with roach bane. You don't counter 3 CC with macro game when you know your opponent is THE BEST at drops and is up by a score of 3-0. Questions?
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