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On June 01 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:53 EpiK wrote:
Even though SK won, I'm hard-pressed to call him the best player in the world. Yeah he made too many mistakes in the semis and finals, he dropped so many games to silly mistakes. He's going to have to continue to prove himself if he wants that title.
We'll find out next weekend if he's on the right path for that title though.
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On June 01 2013 18:53 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:50 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:45 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:41 nimdil wrote:On June 01 2013 18:31 scypio wrote:On June 01 2013 18:29 nimdil wrote:Well they are named the same but they hardly compare to each other in terms of format and hardness. Yeah, you have to get into regular GSL Code S and perform well there to get into GSL Blizzard Cup. Therefore GSL Blizzard cup does not count as GSL as it is clearly easier. LOL. Or win Dreamhack. MMA, Leenock, Polt, NesTea, Naniwa, MVP, DRG, Stephano, MC & HerO - Yeah that sure is an easy road to winning the title. If you're being sarcastic - That list IS much easier than a GSL road to winning the title (unless you're symbol prior to meeting innovation). What? They are the best players of 2011 - aside from maybe Naniwa and HerO (but both were looking strong at the time) 2011 was almost 2 years ago... Thanks for letting me know, you probably should have realised that we were talking about the Blizzard Cup in 2011 being a legitimate GSL title before commenting I guess.
Well, I stated the obvious because some people keep expecting champions of 2011 to perform today as they did back then. I also didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not (as stated in my initial response).
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On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes. Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones? You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll. If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul. I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please.
sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position.
Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...
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On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?
I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.
So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?
Both.
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Come on guys, Innovation is not overrated :D
He's still a godly Terran. I swear man, people have been calling him a joke or a terrible player for making some gambles/mistakes in a GSL Finals against one of the best Zergs in the world.
Likewise when Innovation won the first games, some people were calling Soulkey a terrible player. They don't look so smart anymore, do they?
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On June 01 2013 18:55 PerryHooter wrote:
Innovation's reluctance to build tanks to defend cost him the games I guess. Mines just aren't as effective in defending when the zerg knows how to deal with them. I suspect a player like MVP would be able to make such an adjustment to his play between the games, Innovation couldn't.
Also, seems Innovation might be slightly overrated in the foreign community. Nevertheless, he'll be a champion one day for sure.
LOL first of all. Maybe you should check his recent stats in pro league, look at his vs Z record minus vs Soulkey, and also keep in mind that he is the GSL runner up and made it to the ro4 last GSL before calling someone slightly overrated.
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i feel like innovation could have atleast tried some games with tanks after being up 3-0. He only had to win one more game. Pulling off a second proxy rax game probably destroyed him mentally for game 7. I think that was his last resort to winning the series
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Congrats to SK, I know it would be close series but didn't expect a 4-0 reverse. :D
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Awesome finals, that comeback. So rare.
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On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes. Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones? You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll. If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul. I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please. sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position. Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...
He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.
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On June 01 2013 18:53 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote:On June 01 2013 18:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 01 2013 18:47 intmastad wrote:
This is definetely true that mvp is not even code a in korea. His level has fallen right now.. if he go to proleague he would be 2-10 like that Pretty much every single one of your posts is bashing on Mvp, I admire your dedication. And? If it's factual, what's the problem? Besides the 2-10 since that's hypothetical. It's an account solely dedicated to remind everyone how he thinks Mvp is bad, like I said I admire his dedication. It's impressive his account is that old and he only posts to say that. Impressive indeed.
yeah, but he can say it all he wants now, because soon we will KNOW, and if, as i hope, Mvp does really well, and i am not saying he will, just that i hope it (as a fan), he will look mighty stupid for just bashing Mvp, the player who has achieved the most in sc2, got called dead and done several times, yet comes back and wins championships.
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On June 01 2013 19:00 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes. Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones? You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll. If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul. I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please. sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position. Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc... He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.
Ouch! That stings LOL
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Btw i liked how Soulkey destroyed the 3rd CC of Innovation with banelings in the last game. I totally did not expect that, must have caught innovation off-guard as well. It is not something you see that often, most of the time they try to kill scvs/units
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On June 01 2013 19:00 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes. Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones? You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll. If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul. I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please. sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position. Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc... He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.
was he? wish I knew then I wouldn't have wrote an explanation XD
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bad news for innovation: no player who got 2nd in his first gsl finals ever became a champion afterwards
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So fucking sad... Innovation you were suppose to win wtf wtf wtf
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On June 01 2013 18:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:55 PerryHooter wrote:
Innovation's reluctance to build tanks to defend cost him the games I guess. Mines just aren't as effective in defending when the zerg knows how to deal with them. I suspect a player like MVP would be able to make such an adjustment to his play between the games, Innovation couldn't.
Also, seems Innovation might be slightly overrated in the foreign community. Nevertheless, he'll be a champion one day for sure. LOL first of all. Maybe you should check his recent stats in pro league, look at his vs Z record minus vs Soulkey, and also keep in mind that he is the GSL runner up and made it to the ro4 last GSL before calling someone slightly overrated.
proleague is a different format. This series clearly shows that Innovation lacks the strategical depth, adaptability, and mental strength that a true champion must have. Innovation is more like a machine, playing one style perfectly.
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Looks like the Terran throne is still haunted by Mvp's ghost even a year later. None have proven worthy to take it for themselves.
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On June 01 2013 19:03 Tsubbi wrote:
bad news for innovation: no player who got 2nd in his first gsl finals ever became a champion afterwards
MMA 0-4 Polt
MMA 4-1 Mvp
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tastyminerals was just banned by KadaverBB.
That account was created on 2013-06-01 18:09:21 and had 7 posts.
Reason: PBU. Here is a hint, if you want to go unnoticed as a PBU don't start talking about match fixing...
He can't reply...for good.
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