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gwapp
Profile Joined June 2013
Korea (South)2 Posts
June 01 2013 09:55 GMT
#7201
On June 01 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:53 EpiK wrote:
Even though SK won, I'm hard-pressed to call him the best player in the world.


Yeah he made too many mistakes in the semis and finals, he dropped so many games to silly mistakes. He's going to have to continue to prove himself if he wants that title.

We'll find out next weekend if he's on the right path for that title though.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 01 2013 09:56 GMT
#7202
On June 01 2013 18:53 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:50 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:45 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:41 nimdil wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:31 scypio wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:29 nimdil wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 scypio wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:18 nimdil wrote:
[quote]
Since when?



Since it is http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_GSL_Blizzard_Cup


Well they are named the same but they hardly compare to each other in terms of format and hardness.


Yeah, you have to get into regular GSL Code S and perform well there to get into GSL Blizzard Cup. Therefore GSL Blizzard cup does not count as GSL as it is clearly easier. LOL.

Or win Dreamhack.


MMA, Leenock, Polt, NesTea, Naniwa, MVP, DRG, Stephano, MC & HerO - Yeah that sure is an easy road to winning the title.


If you're being sarcastic - That list IS much easier than a GSL road to winning the title (unless you're symbol prior to meeting innovation).


What? They are the best players of 2011 - aside from maybe Naniwa and HerO (but both were looking strong at the time)


2011 was almost 2 years ago...


Thanks for letting me know, you probably should have realised that we were talking about the Blizzard Cup in 2011 being a legitimate GSL title before commenting I guess.


Well, I stated the obvious because some people keep expecting champions of 2011 to perform today as they did back then. I also didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not (as stated in my initial response).
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 01 2013 09:56 GMT
#7203
On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?


You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll.

If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul.

I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please.

sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position.

Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
June 01 2013 09:56 GMT
#7204
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?

Both.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 09:58:38
June 01 2013 09:57 GMT
#7205
Come on guys, Innovation is not overrated :D
He's still a godly Terran. I swear man, people have been calling him a joke or a terrible player for making some gambles/mistakes in a GSL Finals against one of the best Zergs in the world.
Likewise when Innovation won the first games, some people were calling Soulkey a terrible player. They don't look so smart anymore, do they?
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 01 2013 09:58 GMT
#7206
On June 01 2013 18:55 PerryHooter wrote:
Innovation's reluctance to build tanks to defend cost him the games I guess. Mines just aren't as effective in defending when the zerg knows how to deal with them. I suspect a player like MVP would be able to make such an adjustment to his play between the games, Innovation couldn't.

Also, seems Innovation might be slightly overrated in the foreign community. Nevertheless, he'll be a champion one day for sure.


LOL first of all. Maybe you should check his recent stats in pro league, look at his vs Z record minus vs Soulkey, and also keep in mind that he is the GSL runner up and made it to the ro4 last GSL before calling someone slightly overrated.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 01 2013 09:59 GMT
#7207
i feel like innovation could have atleast tried some games with tanks after being up 3-0. He only had to win one more game. Pulling off a second proxy rax game probably destroyed him mentally for game 7. I think that was his last resort to winning the series
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
June 01 2013 09:59 GMT
#7208
Congrats to SK, I know it would be close series but didn't expect a 4-0 reverse. :D

Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
June 01 2013 09:59 GMT
#7209
Awesome finals, that comeback. So rare.
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
June 01 2013 10:00 GMT
#7210
On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?


You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll.

If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul.

I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please.

sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position.

Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...

He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 01 2013 10:01 GMT
#7211
On June 01 2013 18:53 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:47 intmastad wrote:
This is definetely true that mvp is not even code a in korea. His level has fallen right now.. if he go to proleague he would be 2-10 like that


Pretty much every single one of your posts is bashing on Mvp, I admire your dedication.


And? If it's factual, what's the problem? Besides the 2-10 since that's hypothetical.


It's an account solely dedicated to remind everyone how he thinks Mvp is bad, like I said I admire his dedication. It's impressive his account is that old and he only posts to say that.


Impressive indeed.


yeah, but he can say it all he wants now, because soon we will KNOW, and if, as i hope, Mvp does really well, and i am not saying he will, just that i hope it (as a fan), he will look mighty stupid for just bashing Mvp, the player who has achieved the most in sc2, got called dead and done several times, yet comes back and wins championships.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 01 2013 10:01 GMT
#7212
On June 01 2013 19:00 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?


You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll.

If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul.

I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please.

sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position.

Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...

He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.


Ouch! That stings LOL
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 01 2013 10:01 GMT
#7213
Btw i liked how Soulkey destroyed the 3rd CC of Innovation with banelings in the last game. I totally did not expect that, must have caught innovation off-guard as well. It is not something you see that often, most of the time they try to kill scvs/units
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 01 2013 10:03 GMT
#7214
On June 01 2013 19:00 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:56 BigFan wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:35 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:28 liberate71 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?


You have 4 posts, all of them are completely ridiculous. It's pretty safe to say that you are a troll.

If you arent, then god have mercy on your soul.

I would like to hear your explanation on why were they ridiculous. Or is it forbidden to think that the finals were rigged just because it ruins all your fun ppl? Well that is an opinion and it is not based on some nonsense.Can you provide logical arguments why a player that clearly dominates 3 games in a row suddenly plays badly 4 games in a row looking absolutely content after that, even smiling, lol? That is all very debatable, so just bear with my opinion please.

sorry but no. I hate to say it but Innovation got outplayed and SK exploited his main weakness. Innovation's macro is scary good and his micro/splits are off the chart. Definitely the best(or tied for best). SK realized that he needed to do something to put some doubt into Innovation's mind and he needed something that exploited Innovation's weakness. What is innovation's weakness you say? He uses a greedy strat in the beginning to get into a strong late game position.

Once SK all-in'd the first, he probably thought that Innovation wouldn't think he'll do it again so he did and won the second game. At this point, Innovation started doubting that he can win and he decided to try a 2 rax. Whether SK figured that Innovation will try some insane strat to win or he just decided to play more safe and scout around catching it in its midst is unknown but he made a good decision. Once Innovation got completely rattled, he lost his composure and lost in the kind of game he would win in, the macro game. Innovation also seems to have a limited amount of strats that he knows so hopefully he starts to expand, maybe a reaper or banshee etc...

He was banned 13min prior to this post of yours.

was he? wish I knew then I wouldn't have wrote an explanation XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 01 2013 10:03 GMT
#7215
bad news for innovation: no player who got 2nd in his first gsl finals ever became a champion afterwards
xluik
Profile Joined September 2012
201 Posts
June 01 2013 10:03 GMT
#7216
So fucking sad... Innovation you were suppose to win wtf wtf wtf
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
June 01 2013 10:03 GMT
#7217
On June 01 2013 18:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:55 PerryHooter wrote:
Innovation's reluctance to build tanks to defend cost him the games I guess. Mines just aren't as effective in defending when the zerg knows how to deal with them. I suspect a player like MVP would be able to make such an adjustment to his play between the games, Innovation couldn't.

Also, seems Innovation might be slightly overrated in the foreign community. Nevertheless, he'll be a champion one day for sure.


LOL first of all. Maybe you should check his recent stats in pro league, look at his vs Z record minus vs Soulkey, and also keep in mind that he is the GSL runner up and made it to the ro4 last GSL before calling someone slightly overrated.

proleague is a different format. This series clearly shows that Innovation lacks the strategical depth, adaptability, and mental strength that a true champion must have. Innovation is more like a machine, playing one style perfectly.
Mvp-forGG-MKP-Bogus-Ty-MMA-Polt-Taeja-Flash
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 01 2013 10:04 GMT
#7218
Looks like the Terran throne is still haunted by Mvp's ghost even a year later. None have proven worthy to take it for themselves.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 01 2013 10:04 GMT
#7219
On June 01 2013 19:03 Tsubbi wrote:
bad news for innovation: no player who got 2nd in his first gsl finals ever became a champion afterwards

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Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
June 01 2013 10:04 GMT
#7220
tastyminerals was just banned by KadaverBB.

That account was created on 2013-06-01 18:09:21 and had 7 posts.

Reason: PBU. Here is a hint, if you want to go unnoticed as a PBU don't start talking about match fixing...

He can't reply...for good.
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