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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
June 01 2013 09:42 GMT
#7141
Soulkey didn't play very well (for him) in the first 3 games, Innovation didn't play very well (for him) in the last 4 games. Finals almost never have the highest quality of play though, so that's not surprising.

I'm just happy that Flash still has an argument for being the best Terran in the world.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 01 2013 09:42 GMT
#7142
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?

SK won two games with timings/all-ins/whatever you define them as.
Bogus went for a 11/11, failed.
Bogus choked, SK played well, bad game 7.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
tastyminerals
Profile Joined June 2013
Andorra7 Posts
June 01 2013 09:42 GMT
#7143
On June 01 2013 18:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?

You've accused GOM of match-fixing, then moved on to saying that INoVation donated Soulkey the win (huh?), then said you wanted Soulkey to win. You have like 4 posts on this account and they've all be horrible. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Soulkey has a winning record against Innovation. The more you know.

Because I don't know what was the reason for that, it can be either mathcfixing or just a Stork-like first place donation. And yes I wanted SK to win, but I don't believe he won, he looked inferior in three games and even before the finals.

ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7144
On June 01 2013 18:41 wei2coolman wrote:
For everyone complaining about Innovation "choking"; Soulkey far more prone to giving up after being 0-3. Major props for him to keep his cool, and coming back.

Yes, that's the right type of comment :D
We should praise Soulkey for being mentally so strong, not throwing "throws" all over the place.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7145
man, I went back to bed at 3-0, sounded like cheese games anyways, how the fuck didn't innovation at least win one more game?
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7146
On June 01 2013 18:35 ZenithM wrote:
I don't know about you guys (the reasonable guys at least), but it seems that these days it's fashionable to call every game "a throw". Is it just an impression?

Hint: there was no throw in this series.

Any time a better player loses to a less skilled player, it is a throw. Because BOs, timings, and exploiting your opponent's weaknesses are completely irrelevant.

I love crazymoving
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7147
On June 01 2013 18:39 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:37 Xercen wrote:
Soulkey: Excellent

Innovation: Bogus

innovation threw the series! why didn't u make tank?


In both of Soulkey's allin games he saw it too late for tanks to be any better than 2-4 mines.

Also, tanks are a lot more expensive in gas, so mines are a lot better for upgrades/medivac production

Blind making tanks screws over any aggression attempts earlygame (and, if you overmake them, leads to viper murder).

But one tanks is better than 4 mines easily at holding that.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7148
Soulkey predicting 4-0 or 4-3. Pretty genius.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7149
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?

4th game was a 3base 60 drone roach bane ling attack. It worked Bogus died
5th game was a 2base roach bane allin. It worked Bogus died
6th game Bogus tried to 11/11. It got scouted. Weird game. Ended up with Soulkey holding on 1base -> counter 1base bane allin
7th game was closest to standard. But Bogus flew 3 full medivacs into mutas and lost everything and after that Soulkey just pressured the third with Ling/Bling while harassing the main with Mutas.
리노크 👑
Vesky
Profile Joined January 2013
United States857 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7150
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?


Roaches.

And banes.

Also a pretty dominant semi-long game 7.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7151
cant find it anymore, but to the guy who said Mvp will win the season finals:

i will buy some excellent wine just in case! it would be _ SO_ awesome!
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
June 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#7152
Doesn't matter how inferior he looked in those three games. He won the last four.
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
mineirodabahia
Profile Joined May 2013
Brazil5 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7153
On June 01 2013 18:30 Lunchador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:24 mineirodabahia wrote:
This game is a businness. It would be nice if some kind of "best win of the series" trophy existed Could motivate players to not cheese or all in so much.


Grow up, newbie. You do whatever it takes to WIN in games and in real life.


Why so agressive? =(
I understand your point, but you just reforce my point that the game is a business. And I don't think I should do anything to "win" in real life.

Sorry for the poor english, I'm not a speaker ^^
Between almost and nothing, nothing prevails
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7154
On June 01 2013 18:43 mememolly wrote:
man, I went back to bed at 3-0, sounded like cheese games anyways, how the fuck didn't innovation at least win one more game?

SK held his cool. Bogus didn't.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Sigo
Profile Joined April 2013
France12 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7155
Yeah ! GG Soulkey :D
I will find you, i will kill you ... and i will play another game.
AyMnRSC2
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States123 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7156
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?

Soulkey won game 4 with a roach/baneling timing after he hit 70 drones
Soulkey won game 5 with a roach/baneling all in
innovation tried a 12/12 rax again in game 6 and Soulkey scouted it and held it.
In game 7, Soulkey just outplayed Innovation who made some key mistakes in about a 20 min game.
Masters Zerg player on NA twitch.tv/aymnr
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7157
On June 01 2013 18:41 FakeDeath wrote:
What the fuck?

I was watching Bogus crushing 3 games and I turn the stream off to watch DSL(expecting Bogus to win)
After I check Soulkey made a Reverse all-kill marking the first time in GSL finals History.

So what happened?
Bogus tilted?
Or Soulkey just found a way to stop Bogus HPM?


So, let me do a recap of the games from another perspective (that is someone who actually likes starcraft):

g1 - 2rax 12/12 - pretty intense and fun way to kick things off.
g2 - 4base roach hydra vs 3 base 4M - really close game, some back-and-fourth and the best game in the series.
g3 - Failed 18-drone ling/bane all-in. Worth watching if you want to see how to defend this kind of rush without a wall.
g4 - high-eco roach-ling bust. Insta-kills Innovation.
g5 - low-eco roach-ling bust that stops and transitions into a high-eco roach-ling bust. More interesting than g4 but still, very one-sided.
g6 - failed 2rax with some nice one-base ling-bling counter-aggression. Pretty fun game.
g7 - rather disappointing and one-sided macro game on Daybreak. Soulkey defends nicely, Innovation makes fatal mistakes losing 3 medivacs (or maybe Soulkey baits him there), he is unable to secure his third.

Overall stats:
1 very good game (g2)
2 fun games (g1, g6)
3 unremarkable allins(g3, g4,g5)
1 bad macro game (g7)

The score is close, the storyline is there but the games (apart from g2) did not deliver IMO.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7158
On June 01 2013 18:41 wei2coolman wrote:
For everyone complaining about Innovation "choking"; Soulkey far more prone to giving up after being 0-3. Major props for him to keep his cool, and coming back.


Goes to show you not to read too much into the psychology b.s. guys spew up against players like HerO. They might look visibly shaken, but these guys know how to get back up on the bike and ride again.
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
June 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#7159
This series confirms mvp is still the smartest, ballsiest, and most reliable terran to date. Maybe not among the best mechanically unfortunately.
Mvp-forGG-MKP-Bogus-Ty-MMA-Polt-Taeja-Flash
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 09:46:34
June 01 2013 09:45 GMT
#7160
On June 01 2013 18:42 tastyminerals wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:27 tastyminerals wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion.

stop trollin dawg.

Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.

Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?

You've accused GOM of match-fixing, then moved on to saying that INoVation donated Soulkey the win (huh?), then said you wanted Soulkey to win. You have like 4 posts on this account and they've all be horrible. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Soulkey has a winning record against Innovation. The more you know.

Because I don't know what was the reason for that, it can be either mathcfixing or just a Stork-like first place donation. And yes I wanted SK to win, but I don't believe he won, he looked inferior in three games and even before the finals.



This is serious accusation.
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