EPTif there's a good preshow we might break 40 before the games start
[Code S] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 1 2013 - Page 27
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
if there's a good preshow we might break 40 before the games start | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On June 01 2013 12:56 LighT. wrote: He evolved.  unlike Squirtle, who seems to clinging onto that everstone. He was so close to Wartortle T__T so many times | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 01 2013 12:59 c0ldfusion wrote: Oh man, not sure if I can stay awake for this... so tired... It's 5 in the morning here, haven't slept TT | ||
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Arrtee
Australia102 Posts
An hour in normally? | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
why not just wake up for it den lol | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:03 Arrtee wrote: 2 hours until stream goes up and then how long roughly until first game? An hour in normally? usually quite a bit less, iirc 20-30mins or so? i haven't watched a gsl finals live for a while though | ||
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snaga90
United States29 Posts
On June 01 2013 12:22 kollin wrote: I don't think you understood the elephant in the room article. I think I understood it. I never took it literally (like KeSPA would dominate anything within a week of switching), but I think it just wanted to bring up the point or the, "elephant in the room", that even though we all claimed that Mvp was the best player in the world, and that the current SC2 players were world class, that there was so much talent that hadn't made the switch yet that making such claims was meaningless. Was Babe Ruth the best baseball player of his time? Who knows? Latinos, Blacks, and Asians weren't playing in the league and the sport wasn't as popular and accepted as it is today. Athletes made very little money and there wasn't a big competition to become a pro baseball player. So sure, we can say Flash is the best Korean player, but can we say he's the best in the world? How many neurosurgeons, lawyers, scientists, or engineers have the skillset to be the best at the moment, but never even heard of Starcraft? The Korean scene is developed enough that you get a very high talent pool-- How many koreans do you hear say they would be lawyers or doctors if they weren't gaming. Compare that to the foreign scene where pro gaming isn't even known to exist to the majority of people, and your average foreign progamer was just a typical nerd in high school who happened to fall into pro gaming. Just as it was pointless to call someone the "best korean" SC2 player before KeSPA made it's switch, it's pointless to call anyone the best player in the world. SC2 isn't developed like Basketball, in which case saying Lebron James is the best player in the world is established and proven. If the talent pool is small being the best means nothing. | ||
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:01 opterown wrote: 27 pages, not too shabby if there's a good preshow we might break 40 before the games start There's another 13 pages over at the preview, that makes 40 | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:04 snaga90 wrote: I think I understood it. I never took it literally (like KeSPA would dominate anything within a week of switching), but I think it just wanted to bring up the point or the, "elephant in the room", that even though we all claimed that Mvp was the best player in the world, and that the current SC2 players were world class, that there was so much talent that hadn't made the switch yet that making such claims was meaningless. Was Babe Ruth the best baseball player of his time? Who knows? Latinos, Blacks, and Asians weren't playing in the league and the sport wasn't as popular and accepted as it is today. Athletes made very little money and there wasn't a big competition to become a pro baseball player. So sure, we can say Flash is the best Korean player, but can we say he's the best in the world? How many neurosurgeons, lawyers, scientists, or engineers have the skillset to be the best at the moment, but never even heard of Starcraft? The Korean scene is developed enough that you get a very high talent pool-- How many koreans do you hear say they would be lawyers or doctors if they weren't gaming. Compare that to the foreign scene where pro gaming isn't even known to exist to the majority of people, and your average foreign progamer was just a typical nerd in high school who happened to fall into pro gaming. Just as it was pointless to call someone the "best korean" SC2 player before KeSPA made it's switch, it's pointless to call anyone the best player in the world. SC2 isn't developed like Basketball, in which case saying Lebron James is the best player in the world is established and proven. If the talent pool is small being the best means nothing. reasonable interpretation, but by that reasoning it's still fair to say that there is no "best korean" SC2 player now, and we'll never be able to crown one unless every korean starts playing SC2 full-time | ||
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snaga90
United States29 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:08 opterown wrote: reasonable interpretation, but by that reasoning it's still fair to say that there is no "best korean" SC2 player now, and we'll never be able to crown one unless every korean starts playing SC2 full-time I think there is enough incentive and competition within the Korean scene that you can make the claim that Flash is the best, though it's obviously not as cut and dry as Lebron James to basketball. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:11 snaga90 wrote: I think there is enough incentive and competition within the Korean scene that you can make the claim that Flash is the best, though it's obviously not as cut and dry as Lebron James to basketball. but even flash being the best at sc2 is contentious, a significant amount of people would say bogus is better, for example. i don't think esports (especially sc2) is nearly big enough in korea to say so. as you said, what about all the lawyers, doctors, and LoL players etc? and what about the untapped chinese scene? they are also known for being very good and hard working, but sc2 is not a thing there unfortunately | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:12 opterown wrote: but even flash being the best at sc2 is contentious, a significant amount of people would say bogus is better, for example. i don't think esports (especially sc2) is nearly big enough in korea to say so. as you said, what about all the lawyers, doctors, and LoL players etc? and what about the untapped chinese scene? they are also known for being very good and hard working, but sc2 is not a thing there unfortunately Jim?  (( | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:11 snaga90 wrote: I think there is enough incentive and competition within the Korean scene that you can make the claim that Flash is the best, though it's obviously not as cut and dry as Lebron James to basketball. Until SC2 becomes a major sport that nearly everyone in the world knows about and aspires to be good at if possible, then there still might be some hidden bonjwa somewhere out there. LeBron is probably the best basketball player in the world because everyone with decent athleticism will want to earn those millions. Starcraft isn't anywhere near that level, and the potential talent pool is infinitesimal compared to the world's population. And yeah that Babe Ruth example is good even though I hate baseball | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
lol it's only 12:20 here. I just don't know if I can stay up for another 3-4 hours. You should have gone to bed and woken up at 7:30~ish lol | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
724 votes for Jjakji to 8896 votes for Leenock. 12.2% votes for Jjakji, will be interesting to see how many people voted for Soulkey if he ends up winning. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1695 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:01 Whatson wrote: He was so close to Wartortle T__T so many times ahahahah love the comparison Squirtle goddamnit | ||
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Arrtee
Australia102 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:20 c0ldfusion wrote: lol it's only 12:20 here. I just don't know if I can stay up for another 3-4 hours. You should have gone to bed and woken up at 7:30~ish lol One good thing about Aus is we are close to their time zone! Starts at 4pm here | ||
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408xParadox
United States140 Posts
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carlfish
Australia57 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:04 snaga90 wrote:Just as it was pointless to call someone the "best korean" SC2 player before KeSPA made it's switch, it's pointless to call anyone the best player in the world. SC2 isn't developed like Basketball, in which case saying Lebron James is the best player in the world is established and proven. If the talent pool is small being the best means nothing. This is a silly direction to take the argument. You could equally point out that basketball itself is only really a top tier sport in North America, and for the most part the best non-American athletes are likely to be funnelled into other sports. The "world's best basketballer" might actually be hiding out there disguised as a mediocre soccer player. On a tangent, there's a great statistic that's been proved in multiple sports and hemispheres that one of the best predictors of whether you'll be in professional sports is your date of birth. If you're born at the right time of year to be one of the older kids in your school year you're more likely to be a success against your peers, and thus more likely to be continually encouraged to improve. The degree to which the whole thing is nurture over nature is staggering. | ||
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