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[Code S] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 1 2013 - Page 28

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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#541
90% voting for Innovation is pretty crazy, I think he wins but not that favoured.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#542
On June 01 2013 13:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 13:11 snaga90 wrote:
On June 01 2013 13:08 opterown wrote:
On June 01 2013 13:04 snaga90 wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:22 kollin wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:06 snaga90 wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:03 R3demption wrote:
Hells yeah

Have taken some time off of watching GSL. Glad to catch these finals.

2 BW players left.... Has the elephant finally come to pass?


haha you came to the wrong place my friend. Any talk like this gets called "baiting" and facts get thrown out the window.

I don't think you understood the elephant in the room article.


I think I understood it. I never took it literally (like KeSPA would dominate anything within a week of switching), but I think it just wanted to bring up the point or the, "elephant in the room", that even though we all claimed that Mvp was the best player in the world, and that the current SC2 players were world class, that there was so much talent that hadn't made the switch yet that making such claims was meaningless.


Was Babe Ruth the best baseball player of his time? Who knows? Latinos, Blacks, and Asians weren't playing in the league and the sport wasn't as popular and accepted as it is today. Athletes made very little money and there wasn't a big competition to become a pro baseball player.

So sure, we can say Flash is the best Korean player, but can we say he's the best in the world? How many neurosurgeons, lawyers, scientists, or engineers have the skillset to be the best at the moment, but never even heard of Starcraft? The Korean scene is developed enough that you get a very high talent pool-- How many koreans do you hear say they would be lawyers or doctors if they weren't gaming. Compare that to the foreign scene where pro gaming isn't even known to exist to the majority of people, and your average foreign progamer was just a typical nerd in high school who happened to fall into pro gaming.

Just as it was pointless to call someone the "best korean" SC2 player before KeSPA made it's switch, it's pointless to call anyone the best player in the world. SC2 isn't developed like Basketball, in which case saying Lebron James is the best player in the world is established and proven. If the talent pool is small being the best means nothing.

reasonable interpretation, but by that reasoning it's still fair to say that there is no "best korean" SC2 player now, and we'll never be able to crown one unless every korean starts playing SC2 full-time

I think there is enough incentive and competition within the Korean scene that you can make the claim that Flash is the best, though it's obviously not as cut and dry as Lebron James to basketball.

but even flash being the best at sc2 is contentious, a significant amount of people would say bogus is better, for example. i don't think esports (especially sc2) is nearly big enough in korea to say so. as you said, what about all the lawyers, doctors, and LoL players etc? and what about the untapped chinese scene? they are also known for being very good and hard working, but sc2 is not a thing there unfortunately


If Chinese SC2 players had the same level of practicing and no bull shit technical problems (latency, visa, traveling, etc) I'm sure they would be just as good at SC2 as they are at games where they don't have those issues such as WC3 or Dota.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
June 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#543
NO SLEEP FOR ME TODAY!

Innovation 4-2 It should be worth staying up for, but epic finals that could have been , sometimes disappoint
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
June 01 2013 04:29 GMT
#544
On June 01 2013 13:28 Laryleprakon wrote:
90% voting for Innovation is pretty crazy, I think he wins but not that favoured.

But tasteless told me he was the best RTS player of all time, of course he will win!
L0L
Profile Joined August 2012
United States176 Posts
June 01 2013 04:34 GMT
#545
This is gonna be so good. I can't wait!
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
June 01 2013 04:36 GMT
#546
Innovation is going to crush face. This one won't be suitable for the young. :p
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9030 Posts
June 01 2013 04:36 GMT
#547
Hope the pre-game isn't too long.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 01 2013 04:38 GMT
#548
I root for Soulkey!.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
June 01 2013 04:41 GMT
#549
On June 01 2013 13:28 Laryleprakon wrote:
90% voting for Innovation is pretty crazy, I think he wins but not that favoured.


You are reading the statistic incorrectly. The question is "Who will win?" or "Who has more than 50% winchance?". It just shows, that 90% of TLmembers think, that Inno has more than 50% winchance, NOT that he has a winchance of 90%.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
June 01 2013 04:42 GMT
#550
On June 01 2013 12:43 Daogin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 12:35 ThomasR wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:31 LighT. wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:22 kollin wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:06 snaga90 wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:03 R3demption wrote:
Hells yeah

Have taken some time off of watching GSL. Glad to catch these finals.

2 BW players left.... Has the elephant finally come to pass?


haha you came to the wrong place my friend. Any talk like this gets called "baiting" and facts get thrown out the window.

I don't think you understood the elephant in the room article.

I never understood the elephant in the room thing although I know the ideal/concept behind it.
Why is it called "the elephant in the room"?
Why an elephant? Why not something like a whale or a tiger or orangutan or something.


"Elephant in the room" is an English metaphorical idiom for an obvious truth that is either being ignored or going unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[2]

It is based on the idea that an elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have chosen to avoid dealing with the looming big issue.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=elephant in the room

You've been shellshocked dude, bastard used his lightning abilities to post faster then you

there's no shame in being slower than a bot
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
June 01 2013 04:43 GMT
#551
Omg so psyched. Innovation 4-1. Soulkey gets one game since he's good at preparing. But mostly Innovation just goes laddermode tbh:

1. Make CC
2. Make Barracks
3. Set rally towards zerg
4. Wait for gg
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#552
On June 01 2013 13:43 shabby wrote:
Omg so psyched. Innovation 4-1. Soulkey gets one game since he's good at preparing. But mostly Innovation just goes laddermode tbh:

1. Make CC
2. Make Barracks
3. Set rally towards zerg
4. Wait for gg


Actually it's 3cc before the Marine Mine Medivac parade but close enough
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goofankle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
June 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#553
can I watch this without having a GSL ticket/pass?
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 04:48:08
June 01 2013 04:47 GMT
#554
On June 01 2013 13:46 goofankle wrote:
can I watch this without having a GSL ticket/pass?

Yep on twitch, free 720p

http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 01 2013 04:47 GMT
#555
On June 01 2013 13:46 goofankle wrote:
can I watch this without having a GSL ticket/pass?


Yes free 720p for the live stream on twitch
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
June 01 2013 04:48 GMT
#556
On June 01 2013 13:46 goofankle wrote:
can I watch this without having a GSL ticket/pass?

http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl

free here, high quality stream too
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
June 01 2013 04:55 GMT
#557
This two hour wait period feels like an eternity.
I wonder how the players are feeling right now.
Wonder if they'll make a boss appearance like when Flash flew in from a plane in the Korean Air OSL.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 01 2013 04:59 GMT
#558
that is one biased poll LOL.
anyways im calling 4-1 Innovation, the one being a roach ling bane timing. im guessing on Bel'shir Vestige.

SO HYPE
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 01 2013 05:00 GMT
#559
On June 01 2013 13:55 LighT. wrote:
This two hour wait period feels like an eternity.
I wonder how the players are feeling right now.
Wonder if they'll make a boss appearance like when Flash flew in from a plane in the Korean Air OSL.


Whenever I have a big game I always find taking a dump the hardest part of my pregame rituals. Don't wanna feel the need in the middle you know

I betcha Innovation feels more constipated right now.

... hype?
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 01 2013 05:00 GMT
#560
One hour left Tasteless !
You're right Artosis, this is the best hour in ESPORTS history !
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