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[WCS EU] RO16 Group C Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 43

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Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#841
Social media guy's job sucks Poor guy has to read social media about how much the social media guy sucks.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:52:48
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#842
Agreed that they need to change the social media thing and spice it up a bit. At the same time, can't really say to much considering the kind of viewership they are getting (i.e. really, really, really good numbers).


"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#843
I just wanna say btw, i love having so many brits over here casting. Their english is just so much more "eloquent" and "snobbish", i just love it.

WCS EU including analytic MC = best WCS.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9198 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#844
I'm actually starting to like the social media segment. Yeah, sometimes it's a bit weird but certainly it doesn't deserve the hate I see here.
You're now breathing manually
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#845
On May 17 2013 02:45 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:39 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:38 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:34 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.

It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.

Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.

But your claim wasn't that it should be judged with reservation, but that it shouldn't be judged at all.

I don't see why you would choose to completely disregard information unless it's totally uncorrelated with what you are trying to measure, which it clearly isn't.

I personally would never use flawed information to judge anything.

Thought experiment time. Alice is a lot better than Bob, and will beat him every time offline, but only 60% of the time online, due to whatever reasons. You don't know this, but you have them play 10000 online games and Alice wins 6000 of them. Who is better? Your claim is that you can't know, since this is flawed information, but actually it shows that Alice is clearly the stronger player.


The problem is your theoretical cutoff seems to be 10,000 games to derive a 60% winrate for Alice. Around here, people see a top Korean lose one game cross-server to an inferior foreigner and then lose their minds about how they've "lost their touch" or that foreigners are "closing the gap."

You can definitely lay some groundwork with a players relative skill using online play, but I would never use it for any sort of ranking system.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#846
Mvp comes to the studio. Sits in a chair for a while. Stands up and goes home, qualified for next round. Ah yes, while sitting, he occasionally smashes some buzzing foreigners that fly around.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#847
On May 17 2013 02:49 une_certaine_verve wrote:
Social media segment is atrocious. Literally nothing is being said.

Total waste of time (and money if they do pay the guy for just that) ... and a perfect example why people should use them LESS.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#848
On May 17 2013 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:
I just wanna say btw, i love having so many brits over here casting. Their english is just so much more "eloquent" and "snobbish", i just love it.

WCS EU including analytic MC = best WCS.


Snobbish LOL, that's like a compliment sandwich. Compliment + douchebaggery + compliment = Sandwich. .
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#849
On May 17 2013 02:49 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:45 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:39 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:38 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:34 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.

It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.

Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.

But your claim wasn't that it should be judged with reservation, but that it shouldn't be judged at all.

I don't see why you would choose to completely disregard information unless it's totally uncorrelated with what you are trying to measure, which it clearly isn't.

I personally would never use flawed information to judge anything.

Thought experiment time. Alice is a lot better than Bob, and will beat him every time offline, but only 60% of the time online, due to whatever reasons. You don't know this, but you have them play 10000 online games and Alice wins 6000 of them. Who is better? Your claim is that you can't know, since this is flawed information, but actually it shows that Alice is clearly the stronger player.

Flawed information remains flawed even if it happens to be correct in one instance. Broken clock and all that.

The online results tell you nothing; Alice could be far better but suffering from lag, or Bob could be better but suffering from lag. It's impossible to know until they play offline.

I'm still pretty sure you mean "little" and not "nothing". If I were to play a million online games against Life and win all of them it would be outrageous to claim that this tells you nothing about Life's abilities.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#850
Let's resurrect the bonjourno discussion from this morning's GSL for the sake of the social media segment. "Everyone is talking about banjos, or bonjournous?"
Flamehaze
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland67 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#851
On May 17 2013 02:51 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:50 Dundron2000 wrote:
dont hate on the social media stuff, they have time to fill and are trying to be creative, cut them some slack for the love of jebus

Guy needs to be axed.

This.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#852
On May 17 2013 02:52 Clefairy wrote:
Social media guy's job sucks Poor guy has to read social media about how much the social media guy sucks.


yea.. shit.
n.Die_Jaedong
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#853
I wonder what MVP was watching. Apollo going crazy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#854
On May 17 2013 02:52 Clefairy wrote:
Social media guy's job sucks Poor guy has to read social media about how much the social media guy sucks.

Haha.
Some people here are far too serious unfortunately..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#855
On May 17 2013 02:52 Sent. wrote:
I'm actually starting to like the social media segment. Yeah, sometimes it's a bit weird but certainly it doesn't deserve the hate I see here.


I agree, think its just that some people strongly dislike it, while most of us don't mind and it probably is actually doing what they want . . . that is, increasing the social media buzz about the show lol.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
May 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#856
On May 17 2013 02:52 pepe08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:50 Vertitto wrote:
"there's a TL live thread going on..." captain obvious strikes again


not everyone whatching wcs knows TL.
but i am sure ereryone belives 40k people are here...NOT

yea but but saying the same thing every day "what's going up in social media?" "well, there's smth going on on TL and reddit and twitter". he could as well answered "some forum stuff...you know....". They should not be showing the social media thing if nothing special appeared on them
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:55:18
May 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#857
This "crowd" is awesome lol!
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
May 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#858
On May 17 2013 02:53 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:
I just wanna say btw, i love having so many brits over here casting. Their english is just so much more "eloquent" and "snobbish", i just love it.

WCS EU including analytic MC = best WCS.


Snobbish LOL, that's like a compliment sandwich. Compliment + douchebaggery + compliment = Sandwich. .


I didn't mean it douchebaggy though. I always see Redeye with a black tailcoat and a monocle, he even has the posture for that (with one hand on the back) and stuff. I really like that. ^^
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#859
On May 17 2013 02:53 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:49 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:45 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:39 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:38 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:34 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.

It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.

Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.

But your claim wasn't that it should be judged with reservation, but that it shouldn't be judged at all.

I don't see why you would choose to completely disregard information unless it's totally uncorrelated with what you are trying to measure, which it clearly isn't.

I personally would never use flawed information to judge anything.

Thought experiment time. Alice is a lot better than Bob, and will beat him every time offline, but only 60% of the time online, due to whatever reasons. You don't know this, but you have them play 10000 online games and Alice wins 6000 of them. Who is better? Your claim is that you can't know, since this is flawed information, but actually it shows that Alice is clearly the stronger player.

Flawed information remains flawed even if it happens to be correct in one instance. Broken clock and all that.

The online results tell you nothing; Alice could be far better but suffering from lag, or Bob could be better but suffering from lag. It's impossible to know until they play offline.

I'm still pretty sure you mean "little" and not "nothing". If I were to play a million online games against Life and win all of them it would be outrageous to claim that this tells you nothing about Life's abilities.

It tells you about his abilities in a specific context - playing you online.

Granted I'm being hyperbolic, you can say a build is bad online for example - latency doesn't affect such a thing. But for anywhere latency is involved, you simply don't know if a player is playing anything like they would offline.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
May 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#860
Did he just use the b-word?
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