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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2501
On April 21 2013 11:53 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Center, Jaedong, Zenio, Demuslim, and Revival all competing for the same spot among others


I feel really bad for Demuslim...


He only faces 3...
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2502
SO is this actually the last game, or the last casted game? if its the last casted game its trash that they dont let someone else finish.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12542 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2503
I could check myself I guess but who beat Jaedong?
No will to live, no wish to die
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2504
Great to see Alicia make it!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2505
Technically the "tier 1 Koreans" can still play in whichever region they choose. The behavior of players throughout these regions is evidence of the fact that the tournament's incentive structure is totally fucked up.

They tried to treat the regions equally but they are manifestly not equal. So their prizes shouldn't be equal either. Admitting that is the first step to fixing this mess, but I bet we'll have to wait at least a year!
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#2506
On April 21 2013 11:57 Darpa wrote:
SO is this actually the last game, or the last casted game? if its the last casted game its trash that they dont let someone else finish.


Like who? Puckett?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 02:59:09
April 21 2013 02:58 GMT
#2507
On April 21 2013 11:57 Nebuchad wrote:
I could check myself I guess but who beat Jaedong?

quasAr; American masters player
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/331603/1/quasAr/
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
April 21 2013 02:58 GMT
#2508
On April 21 2013 11:51 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:49 Dodgin wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:48 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:42 Cyrak wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:39 Awesomeness wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:


On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S.


A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.


Well if you have 15 koreans in the top 16, it will be like Code B with same prize pool as GSL Code S.


Right, it is silly either way but that is a result of the way Blizzard designed WCS. The solution to the problem isn't to make it even dumber by making it a NA-only arena with a 100k prize pool.


Why not? It makes sense if it's the best of one region. It makes no sense if it's the lower tier of another region.


Because you don't deserve the same prize money as the champion of Korea for being the champion of NA.


Maybe not, but the structure of it makes sense. It makes far less sense, and it's also less fair, for the champion of the tier 2 Koreans to get the same as the champion of the tier 1 Koreans


Right on the money. It makes sense to let Azarenka win the same amount of money as Djokovic on Australian open. But it will not make sense for No.50 male player to win the same amount of money on some ATP250 tournament as Djokovic on Australian open.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 21 2013 02:58 GMT
#2509
On April 21 2013 11:57 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:53 Dodgin wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:51 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:49 Dodgin wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:48 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:42 Cyrak wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:39 Awesomeness wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:


On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S.


A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.


Well if you have 15 koreans in the top 16, it will be like Code B with same prize pool as GSL Code S.


Right, it is silly either way but that is a result of the way Blizzard designed WCS. The solution to the problem isn't to make it even dumber by making it a NA-only arena with a 100k prize pool.


Why not? It makes sense if it's the best of one region. It makes no sense if it's the lower tier of another region.


Because you don't deserve the same prize money as the champion of Korea for being the champion of NA.


Maybe not, but the structure of it makes sense. It makes far less sense, and it's also less fair, for the champion of the tier 2 Koreans to get the same as the champion of the tier 1 Koreans


You're right, the entire thing is fucked. It should be residency requirement to compete in a region (unless you're one of the CN/Australian players who are fucked) with prize pools that fit the skill level of each region

Korea should get X amount, NA should get 40% of that and EU should get 50-60% of that.


Luckily there will be a defacto residency requirement in the coming seasons as the games move entirely offline. At least Koreans will have to stay in their foreign team house for a few weeks as it happens which would mean they can't do proleague or gstl.



They will handle it in GSTL the same way they always handle in GSTL when players are missing and that's let other players take there spot. I cant think of any specific examples for proleague offhand but im sure the KeSPA teams would handle it the same as well.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 21 2013 02:58 GMT
#2510
On April 21 2013 11:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:57 Darpa wrote:
SO is this actually the last game, or the last casted game? if its the last casted game its trash that they dont let someone else finish.


Like who? Puckett?



NASL maybe? or the dozens of other casters who would love to cast it?
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
April 21 2013 02:59 GMT
#2511
On April 21 2013 11:53 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Center, Jaedong, Zenio, Demuslim, and Revival all competing for the same spot among others


I feel really bad for Demuslim...


I have great faith in him... And should he not qualify - well, he does have a pretty understandable excuse considering that lineup
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2512
I'm wondering if JD will even play those matches. They have SPL at 4:30 am EDT after the WCS qualifiers which start at 1:30 pm EDT. That's up to 6 best of 3s; he could end up playing until a few hours before they're supposed to leave for the studio. Dunno what coach Park will think of that.
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2513
On April 21 2013 11:59 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:53 Awesomeness wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Center, Jaedong, Zenio, Demuslim, and Revival all competing for the same spot among others


I feel really bad for Demuslim...


I have great faith in him... And should he not qualify - well, he does have a pretty understandable excuse considering that lineup


It especially sucks for him because if they don't completely lock these regions the NA gravy train is going to be over after a few seasons because this won't be the last of the Korean Invasion.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12542 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2514
On April 21 2013 11:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:57 Nebuchad wrote:
I could check myself I guess but who beat Jaedong?

quasAr; American masters player
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/331603/1/quasAr/


Thanks... You're always the one to answer any of my questions =)
No will to live, no wish to die
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2515
On April 21 2013 11:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:57 Nebuchad wrote:
I could check myself I guess but who beat Jaedong?

quasAr; American masters player
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/331603/1/quasAr/


Well... I'm sure quasAr is an excellent player... but... It's Jaedong... Without even having seen the games, I guess we can tell something about ZvZ here...
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2516
Great to see Alicia qualify, it was scandalous that he wasnt invited to the first HotS MLG event considering he was 2nd in two MLG events last year.

govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#2517
On April 21 2013 11:59 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 11:53 Awesomeness wrote:
On April 21 2013 11:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Center, Jaedong, Zenio, Demuslim, and Revival all competing for the same spot among others


I feel really bad for Demuslim...


I have great faith in him... And should he not qualify - well, he does have a pretty understandable excuse considering that lineup


Indeed faith. He lost because he f&^^^up in game 1 and 3. He was on par with the koreans.. just some silly mistakes hemade..happens... no mistakes=descent chance
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
April 21 2013 03:02 GMT
#2518
am I the only one that has literally no clue how this WCS works?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 21 2013 03:03 GMT
#2519
On April 21 2013 12:02 FinalForm wrote:
am I the only one that has literally no clue how this WCS works?


I doubt you're the only one, especially considering there are tons of casual viewers who just watch things on twitch and don't visit sites like tl/liquipedia.
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
April 21 2013 03:03 GMT
#2520
On April 21 2013 12:02 FinalForm wrote:
am I the only one that has literally no clue how this WCS works?


Imagine 4 MLG championship/losers brackets stacked on top of one another where the championship bracket winners and the losers brackets winners all advance (8 total).
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
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