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On April 19 2013 06:20 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches, lings/roaches/infests, mutas/spines... Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches. Mutas/Spines. On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player Calling GuMiho "a low or maybe mid tier Terran" ...
Low or mid tier for code S, yes, what is wrong with that position? Those are his results...some deeper runs but mostly staying in ro32-ro16
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On April 19 2013 06:25 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches, lings/roaches/infests, mutas/spines... On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches. Mutas/Spines. On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player Calling GuMiho "a low or maybe mid tier Terran" ... Low or mid tier for code S, yes, what is wrong with that position? Those are his results...some deeper runs but mostly staying in ro32-ro16
LOLOL http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results
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Australia54785 Posts
On April 19 2013 06:25 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches, lings/roaches/infests, mutas/spines... On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 03:37 Big J wrote:On April 19 2013 03:29 SoFrOsTy wrote:On April 19 2013 03:20 BigAsia wrote:
Ugh, Ret is so pathetic. Not like any Terran nerfs would help him anyways as ZvP and ZvZ he would still get owned
Mind you the race distribution is 6 Zerg, 6 Terran, and 2 Protoss. Protoss is such a random race This.... as it is now, the good zergs are doing well, the people that turtle until BL/infestor are getting destroyed. Fine by me. Name one Zerg that didn't win most of his games with BL/Infestor. Hell, name a unit composition that actually could win ZvP in WoL that was not BL/Infestor. Roaches. Mutas/Spines. On April 19 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
somehow Flash's play doesn't really impress me all that much. i guess all the hype makes me a little sick of him (not that it's his fault). but he also does the same thing every game and nobody punished him for it today. You can't punish standard. On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player Calling GuMiho "a low or maybe mid tier Terran" ... Low or mid tier for code S, yes, what is wrong with that position? Those are his results...some deeper runs but mostly staying in ro32-ro16
maybe he hasn't had a deep run, but you should also know that gumiho is capable of some pretty extreme feats, and it should be no surprise that a streaky player might make it out of the group. of course, he was not the favourite, but such a vicious bash from you is most unwarranted.
and it's not like gumiho hasn't done a lot in SC2, he's 8-0 in GSTL finals ffs. Mvp was only 7-7 in GSL finals last year heh ;p and rain also has only one significant GSL result, he was knocked to code B, so he's not quite invincible lol
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On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. I should add that I feel strongly is the idea that there are better and worse players. I do not like when someone says "good players beating good players" when I believe 3rd best should consisitently beat 7th best so it should not matter if you are good or not but whether you are better than your opponent. In the gumiho case he is a damn fine player but in my opinion not nearly as good as Rain
Just because A is the better player on paper compared with B doesn't mean A will play better than B every day. Rain played worse than GuMiho this day, going a weird 3gR expand instead of opting for an easy build order win with proxy stargate against a scouted proxy rax fact in the first game and forgetting Colossus range in the second (maybe he would have lost too with Colossus range, but without he had no chance anyway).
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On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in.
How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference.
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Australia54785 Posts
On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference.
gumiho best result in GSL - RO4
rain best result in GSL - RO4
oh hey, that looks pretty similar
nice backtracking, maybe if you kept that in mind before you posted in anger (ok, yes, i know it gets difficult) then this wouldn't've been an issue.
ps please don't take this as a personal attack, i actually like you haha, you're one of the more reasonable esf bashers (lolol heh) but that was just one bash post that came to mind.
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On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference.
They've both made the ro4 in GSL, how has Rain proven he's a top end Code S player anymore then Gumiho?
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On April 19 2013 06:30 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference. gumiho best result in GSL - RO4 rain best result in GSL - RO4 oh hey, that looks pretty similar nice backtracking, maybe if you kept that in mind before you posted in anger (ok, yes, i know it gets difficult) then this wouldn't've been an issue. ps please don't take this as a personal attack, i actually like you haha, you're one of the more reasonable esf bashers (lolol heh) but that was just one bash post that came to mind.
Honestly, I don't care even if it was BitByBit instead of Gumiho, I don't want to see that kind of talk, period.
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On April 19 2013 06:23 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. your example of MC vs. Tails is quite telling - i have never seen you express such anger when a low-tier kespa player beats a high tier non-kespa player. and i read just about every post in the LRs.
This is the first post to make me really think rather than explain while im right. I suppose the way I look at it is the view that kespa players are rapidly improving and though unproven even the lower tier kespa players, I hope, will eventually be better than the esf players. When an esf player losses to the lower tier kespa player(who have played less time and less games) is just them equaling or overtaking them in skill.
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On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference.
Then your problem is two-fold. In one hand you overrate Rain, in the other one you underrate Gumiho, mostly because you haven't watched him enough and thus don't know that he's kind of a wild bullet, on one day he can brutally murder the best player and the next tournament he plays pretty average.
On April 19 2013 06:33 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:23 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. your example of MC vs. Tails is quite telling - i have never seen you express such anger when a low-tier kespa player beats a high tier non-kespa player. and i read just about every post in the LRs. This is the first post to make me really think rather than explain while im right. I suppose the way I look at it is the view that kespa players are rapidly improving and though unproven even the lower tier kespa players, I hope, will eventually be better than the esf players. When an esf player losses to the lower tier kespa player(who have played less time and less games) is just them equaling or overtaking them in skill.
And when an eSF player beats a KeSPA player it means nothing?... You're grossly biased. You claim to care about skill, but you refuse to acknowledge that most eSF players are equal or better in skill than their KeSPA counterparts. Just look at this code S season. If 2 eSF players qualify (or even Parting), it's gonna be 50/50 between players who play SC2 from the start and those who came with the switch.
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On April 19 2013 06:30 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference. gumiho best result in GSL - RO4 rain best result in GSL - RO4 oh hey, that looks pretty similar nice backtracking, maybe if you kept that in mind before you posted in anger (ok, yes, i know it gets difficult) then this wouldn't've been an issue. ps please don't take this as a personal attack, i actually like you haha, you're one of the more reasonable esf bashers (lolol heh) but that was just one bash post that came to mind.
Rain won OSL. Also I said in one of these posts I consider more than just results but also how a player looks in games. Even if you ignore the fact Rainis a champion and ace player in PL I find he looks more skilled over all in actual games.
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On April 19 2013 06:33 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:23 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. your example of MC vs. Tails is quite telling - i have never seen you express such anger when a low-tier kespa player beats a high tier non-kespa player. and i read just about every post in the LRs. This is the first post to make me really think rather than explain while im right. I suppose the way I look at it is the view that kespa players are rapidly improving and though unproven even the lower tier kespa players, I hope, will eventually be better than the esf players. When an esf player losses to the lower tier kespa player(who have played less time and less games) is just them equaling or overtaking them in skill.
see, this attitude is fairly reasonable, and it's one that i hope more kespa vs. esf players might take on. not the bashing, haha. do you sort of get what i mean?
On April 19 2013 06:35 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:30 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference. gumiho best result in GSL - RO4 rain best result in GSL - RO4 oh hey, that looks pretty similar nice backtracking, maybe if you kept that in mind before you posted in anger (ok, yes, i know it gets difficult) then this wouldn't've been an issue. ps please don't take this as a personal attack, i actually like you haha, you're one of the more reasonable esf bashers (lolol heh) but that was just one bash post that came to mind. Rain won OSL. Also I said in one of these posts I consider more than just results but also how a player looks in games. Even if you ignore the fact Rainis a champion and ace player in PL I find he looks more skilled over all in actual games.
i don't think unless you are masters KR or GM then you can really pick out definitively someone is more skilled. of course it is bias and i too think rain is better than gumiho, but to call it a travesty is very rude!
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On April 19 2013 06:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference. Then your problem is two-fold. In one hand you overrate Rain, in the other one you underrate Gumiho, mostly because you haven't watched him enough and thus don't know that he's kind of a wild bullet, on one day he can brutally murder the best player and the next tournament he plays pretty average.
Uh....lol I have seen every GSTL match, every GSL, match, nearly every match from every MLG, every PL match including hybrid league,etc. I doubt many if anyone has watched more pro sc2 than me. I am fine with people reaching a different conclusion on rankings and all that, its just my opinion on where they rank.
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On April 19 2013 06:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:23 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. your example of MC vs. Tails is quite telling - i have never seen you express such anger when a low-tier kespa player beats a high tier non-kespa player. and i read just about every post in the LRs. This is the first post to make me really think rather than explain while im right. I suppose the way I look at it is the view that kespa players are rapidly improving and though unproven even the lower tier kespa players, I hope, will eventually be better than the esf players. When an esf player losses to the lower tier kespa player(who have played less time and less games) is just them equaling or overtaking them in skill. see, this attitude is fairly reasonable, and it's one that i hope more kespa vs. esf players might take on. not the bashing, haha. do you sort of get what i mean? Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:35 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:30 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:28 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 05:36 achan1058 wrote:
I am amazed that the mods let this KeSPA vs eSF thing go so far. Honestly, it's turning me off from the whole scene together. Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player that post is actually ridiculous. this whole thing pisses me off quite a bit. I wonder if these people actually believe if what they are saying or just spouting nonsense for the fun of it. On April 19 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 opterown wrote:On April 19 2013 06:14 Maghetti wrote:On April 19 2013 06:09 achan1058 wrote:On April 19 2013 06:08 Maghetti wrote:
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Unfortunately for you this rivalry is what makes me enjoy the game oh so much more. I enjoy korean vs korean and korean vs foreigner(it is rooting for the koreans that makes this fun to me) and I enjoy esf vs vs esf and kespa vs kespa but it is rooting for kespa vs esf that is my primary motivator in watching sc2 and what matches and events I focus the most on. Nothing gets me moe pumped than watching a kespa player beat an esf player. You can keep it to yourself instead of sprouting stuff on the forum. Just like how we keep balance whines to ourselves. That is a horrible position to take. Should someone not express happiness when their favorite players win? Thats half the point of LR threads and it is nothing remotely close to balance whining. expressing happiness is fine, but there are quite a few who go out of their way to bash, and those are the ones i have issue with for example, when gumiho beat rain, i believe your stance there was most unreasonable. On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen. show some respect to a wonderful player The anger came from a player I like losing but there is nothing wrong with my position, wanting the better player to more consistently win. Gumiho is a fine player and obviously code S but IMO he is less good than rain but a good amount and I see nothing wrong or offensive with wanting the better player to win. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with esf vs kespa. Foreigners beating koreans also bothers me, or even say MC losing to someone like Tails. Your stance on this is that if a player is well known they should be unbeatable to someone less proven/the underdog? Lol. I can see where your BW elitest thought process kicks in. How you got better known should beat less proven from anything i said I do not know. I tend to rank people in my head based on seeing them play, their results, etc. Gumiho is a very proven player, more so than Rain probably, and what he has proven is that he is a code S level player but not a top end code S player. I want the better player to win, not the better known, massive difference. gumiho best result in GSL - RO4 rain best result in GSL - RO4 oh hey, that looks pretty similar nice backtracking, maybe if you kept that in mind before you posted in anger (ok, yes, i know it gets difficult) then this wouldn't've been an issue. ps please don't take this as a personal attack, i actually like you haha, you're one of the more reasonable esf bashers (lolol heh) but that was just one bash post that came to mind. Rain won OSL. Also I said in one of these posts I consider more than just results but also how a player looks in games. Even if you ignore the fact Rainis a champion and ace player in PL I find he looks more skilled over all in actual games. i don't think unless you are masters KR or GM then you can really pick out definitively someone is more skilled. of course it is bias and i too think rain is better than gumiho, but to call it a travesty is very rude!
I was mad, your point that calling it a travesty is well taken. it was disappointing but hardly a travesty. That was the most mad moment ive had watching sc2.
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It'd be silly to be surprised about Gumiho making it out of the group. Anyone who's watched him play knows that he has days where he can stomp anyone in the world and make it look easy. Also I'll ask again:
On April 19 2013 04:55 forsooth wrote:
Can VODs of this be watched for free anywhere?
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On April 19 2013 06:40 forsooth wrote:It'd be silly to be surprised about Gumiho making it out of the group. Anyone who's watched him play knows that he has days where he can stomp anyone in the world and make it look easy. Also I'll ask again: Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 04:55 forsooth wrote:
Can VODs of this be watched for free anywhere?
Only the first games are free.
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Gumiho is probably the player that has impressed me the most in the actual Code S groups of this season thus far (to clarify, i mean strictly judging by the Code S group matches of this season, not overall).
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On April 19 2013 02:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:On April 19 2013 02:15 ZenithM wrote:On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
You guys need to get over this ESF versus KeSPA and vice versa bullshit. It's getting old and stale. So, you ain't taking sides... Or are you? On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
You guys need to get over this ESF versus KeSPA and vice versa bullshit. It's getting old and stale. On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
It's getting old and stale. On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
stale On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
Startale eSF fan detected Nope there's still a little space dust on it *blow* >____>
You're my favourite.
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speaking of gumiho,
he is very capable player but he is forever tainted my eyes as the one who all killed slayers (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Flash is a god. Played super standard and out macros and micros everyone. Though I think Flash would struggle still vs Life's super aggression.
gumiho vs rain. Yes on that day gumiho played better. However rain doesn't just have a ro4 code S. He has an insane win rate in proleague. He does well in every tournament he plays in. MLG he gets top 8 every time. He Won WCS Asia while winning 3rd at the finals. He wins with solid play rather than gimmicks and he is consistent. This is what makes him better than gumiho. However. When gumiho is on, he is freaking on.
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