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dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
March 07 2013 11:52 GMT
#1361
On March 07 2013 20:52 CruelZeratul wrote:
What was the result of Stephano vs. Grubby?


Stephano G1, Grubby G2, Stephano G3
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 07 2013 11:52 GMT
#1362
On March 07 2013 20:51 Mouzone wrote:
Is there any audience there? Sounds like no.

People are mostly at work/studying I would believe.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 07 2013 11:53 GMT
#1363
That was no Gaulzi canon rush.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 07 2013 11:53 GMT
#1364
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 07 2013 11:54 GMT
#1365
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way


Yeah, about that.. I don't want to go off topic too much but Europe is light years away from being a coherent entity :p
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 07 2013 11:54 GMT
#1366
As nice as Grubby is in real, in game he can be cold hearthed :D Love it, even as a zerg a good cannon rush punishes greed so well.
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#1367
On March 07 2013 20:52 Leetley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:51 Mouzone wrote:
Is there any audience there? Sounds like no.

People are mostly at work/studying I would believe.


Yeah, hopefully the crowd is a lot bigger on Saturday for the last half of the quarter finals to the finals.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#1368
On March 07 2013 20:52 looken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:49 vthree wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:45 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:16 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:13 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:09 Giriath wrote:
Great positioning by Grubby!

are you kidding me? he was in quite a bad spot three times, it just doesnt matter since P can just teleport out of there...


Bad positioning was intentional to divert attention


On March 07 2013 20:17 Cuce wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:13 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:09 Giriath wrote:
Great positioning by Grubby!

are you kidding me? he was in quite a bad spot three times, it just doesnt matter since P can just teleport out of there...

he let himself took bad positions if need be, because he has teleport.

yes he did. and you guys dont think it hurts the game that this is possible? it allows P to do dmg with no risk, because even if not a single unit ever fires, protoss still forced zerg to build units to defend. thats units that could have been drones otherwise. protoss did this before, but he risked to lose something when he "overcommited". now there is basically no risk involved in this anymore. i think thats pretty stupid.


Isn't think sort of true in WoL for ling runbys as well? Zergs could win games with runbys at any time. But they never really lose games because they 'overcommitted' on ling runbys because you can always pull them back if you see a wall or army losing maybe 3-4 lings.

hmmm i dont think so. if you overproduced lings and didnt to dmg with them (in the early game at least) you pretty much put yourself in a very bad spot. in the late game, maybe, but then again it only works if P made the mistake of not walling in/ having a zealot in position. so no, i dont think thats the same at all.


You are talking about early game ling all-ins. I am referring to runbys the third and fourths in the mid-late game.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
March 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#1369
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way



I can't even count the times I've spoken to Americans who think Europe is actually one big country. I'm not even joking, I wish I was. X_X
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
March 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#1370
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way


Not quite sure. There's still hope.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Radioman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada904 Posts
March 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#1371
On March 07 2013 20:54 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way


Yeah, about that.. I don't want to go off topic too much but Europe is light years away from being a coherent entity :p


Guys see was addressing the crowd not grubby.....

Lets think a little bit shes been saying the same thing for every German player.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 07 2013 11:56 GMT
#1372
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
March 07 2013 11:56 GMT
#1373
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way


Actually i can and i do.
the game is the game
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 07 2013 11:56 GMT
#1374
On March 07 2013 20:56 Dodgin wrote:
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.

Mass hellbat and roast him like a Turkey?
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 11:57:42
March 07 2013 11:57 GMT
#1375
On March 07 2013 20:55 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:53 Fjodorov wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:50 totauksz wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:48 edgeOut wrote:
Fellow country man, Netherland and Germany?


EU.



yeah let me rephrase Rachel probably thinks EU is a country and both Germany and Netherlands is a county in it


can you blame her? United states of Europe is well on its way



I can't even count the times I've spoken to Americans who think Europe is actually one big country. I'm not even joking, I wish I was. X_X


Yeah, a lot of americans are often ignorant about non-american things. Luckily I learned when I was 9 that Europe is a continent and not a country.

On March 07 2013 20:56 Dodgin wrote:
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.


gobble gobble
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
March 07 2013 11:57 GMT
#1376
On March 07 2013 20:56 Dodgin wrote:
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.


3 strikes in bowling.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 12:00:36
March 07 2013 11:58 GMT
#1377
On March 07 2013 20:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:49 Lunareste wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:44 opterown wrote:
yes, i get the mvp = awesome comments, but golden didn't play thaaattt badly and just got rolled, it was nowhere close at any stage. maybe i'm just used to mediocre zergs beating good terrans haha


Golden didn't play badly, but there was nowhere near enough base defense. Mvp is being dominant and microing well.

I get what you're saying about Zergs being dominate against Terrans 2 weeks ago, but this is freaking Mvp, there's only supposed to be a handful of Zergs in the world who can compete with him.

Maybe this is me being biased, but I like that Zerg tech is being slowed down substantially by new Terran units and strategies. Not only does it make for less stagnant games, we've also seen a variety of games and playstyles within this series on its own. Swarmy zerg, positional Zerg, multitask Terran, position Terran. It's pretty awesome.

Zergs have to learn to actually play well and micro a bit more. It'll come. If anything Zergs have been harmed the most in the medium term by the, let's say 'strong' state of Zerg in the end of WoL, their play naturally stagnated imo.


Are we allowed to talk about balance in old expansions without fear of reprecussion on TL?

I don't think that their play or skill stagnated per say, but I do think that they aren't used to a meta where they can't forsake units throughout until a push is coming, and tech all the way to hive and be nearly invulnerable to Terran timings.

I think that the "extreme" nature of the Zerg playstyle is coming back to bite them right now though. Either they were playing heavy economy/tech style backed by Queens, or they were switching to an extreme pressure/heavy all in when they sensed a Terran was playing greedy. Their defenses are vulnerable in the mid game now, and most of their "instantly switch to Roach/Bane and run over the Terran base while he's trying to keep up with my economy and not teching" has been wiped out by the Siege Tank research buff and Widow Mines. I think once they find the middle ground in the new expansion, much like it was prior to the Queen patch, they'll be fine.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 07 2013 11:59 GMT
#1378
On March 07 2013 20:57 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:56 Dodgin wrote:
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.


3 strikes in bowling.

wow, what a strange reference. wonder who runs that twitter
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looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
March 07 2013 12:00 GMT
#1379
On March 07 2013 20:55 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:52 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:49 vthree wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:45 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:16 scsnow wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:13 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:09 Giriath wrote:
Great positioning by Grubby!

are you kidding me? he was in quite a bad spot three times, it just doesnt matter since P can just teleport out of there...


Bad positioning was intentional to divert attention


On March 07 2013 20:17 Cuce wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:13 looken wrote:
On March 07 2013 20:09 Giriath wrote:
Great positioning by Grubby!

are you kidding me? he was in quite a bad spot three times, it just doesnt matter since P can just teleport out of there...

he let himself took bad positions if need be, because he has teleport.

yes he did. and you guys dont think it hurts the game that this is possible? it allows P to do dmg with no risk, because even if not a single unit ever fires, protoss still forced zerg to build units to defend. thats units that could have been drones otherwise. protoss did this before, but he risked to lose something when he "overcommited". now there is basically no risk involved in this anymore. i think thats pretty stupid.


Isn't think sort of true in WoL for ling runbys as well? Zergs could win games with runbys at any time. But they never really lose games because they 'overcommitted' on ling runbys because you can always pull them back if you see a wall or army losing maybe 3-4 lings.

hmmm i dont think so. if you overproduced lings and didnt to dmg with them (in the early game at least) you pretty much put yourself in a very bad spot. in the late game, maybe, but then again it only works if P made the mistake of not walling in/ having a zealot in position. so no, i dont think thats the same at all.


You are talking about early game ling all-ins. I am referring to runbys the third and fourths in the mid-late game.

read again
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 12:00:56
March 07 2013 12:00 GMT
#1380
On March 07 2013 20:56 Dodgin wrote:
Incredible Miracle ‏@TeamIM_

MVP vs Dream up next! Lets go for a TURKEY!!! GOGOGO!!


I'm not sure what this means.


I found this picture




It looks rather op if you ask me
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
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