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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:08 Hylirion wrote: OK watching the replay speedboost had nothing to do with that 4 medivac drop, it would have worked fine with normal medivacs. Actually zealots and archons would get in position before Nexus died without the speed boost | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:06 bennyaus wrote: Grubby playing the most consistent player of the last 3 years (or whatever), whereas Grubby is somewhere between 30-100 in the last 3 years. Grubby opens DTs. Does literally no damage. No stalkers. ??? Terran is imbalanced. Every time a terran uses a new unit/ability and doesn't fall flat on his face, the LR threads explode with balance whining. Better get used to it. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:08 Big J wrote: nothing. It's you who quoted me for spreading facts  You're pathetic lol totally manipulating the data to make yourself look correct. I didn't even need to look at statistics to know that your original claim was absolute bullshit | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:08 Big J wrote: nothing. It's you who quoted me for spreading facts There were no facts on that quote though, cherry picking data doesn't accomplish you anything, 51% TvP and that's it, get over it. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:09 DJHelium wrote: This. I'm not saying that medivacs are balanced (they do seem strong), but I think we should wait until we see players like PartinG or Rain play against players like Mvp or MarineKing, so we get to see how it works at the very top level. Mvp would've won that game without the speed boost as well, Grubby was way behind after that opening. dunno about rain. seems like he gets picked apart by multitasking terrans a lot. dream and flash tore him apart pretty easily | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:11 Alexj wrote: Actually zealots and archons would get in position before Nexus died without the speed boost I don't think so. Pretty sure it would have gone down as well. Or at the very least just kill 15+ probes lol | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:11 Alexj wrote: Actually zealots and archons would get in position before Nexus died without the speed boost If he knew it was happening. He had no tech to cover the drop (blink, observers, phoenix, or hts for feedback), because he invested so heavily in DTs (and charge first, and archons to cover the frontal attack). Absolutely absurd to call it imbalanced because MVP beat Grubby after a failed DT opening. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote: Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. I remember there being a great quote about someone telling Boxer that dropships now healed. Kespa terrans are going to break the game behind medivac play. It is going to be devestating and absolutely glorious in its totality. [Still we have a whole tournament to see how it all pans out and even if it's theoretically a bad design choice it might work out. Also DT opening *] | ||
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Solarist
291 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote: Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:10 Laryleprakon wrote: They did research on opponents and 'mental training' The ironic thing is, players not being able to practice physically (not enough PCs at IEM with HoTS) make Mvp have an even bigger advantage. Given his wrist conditions, I would think he does more 'mental training' then almost every pro out there. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote: Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Or Grubby could play something else than Zealots/Archons—the unit composition which is the most vulnerable to mass drop play because your only anti-air is a clunky short-ranged unit—in a game drastically improving said drop play? For example a 150/150 upgrade which allows your Stalkers to teleport to any location within 8 range instead of having to awkwardly bypass cliffs and such with your whole army. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:12 ROOTheognis wrote: I don't think so. Pretty sure it would have gone down as well. Or at the very least just kill 15+ probes lol Yeah I think it would've been a very successful drop in WoL as well. Speed medivacs are a bit much though lol | ||
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Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:09 DJHelium wrote: This. I'm not saying that medivacs are balanced (they do seem strong), but I think we should wait until we see players like PartinG or Rain play against players like Mvp or MarineKing, so we get to see how it works at the very top level. Mvp would've won that game without the speed boost as well, Grubby was way behind after that opening. Exactly. Medivac speed may be imbalanced, but this series sure wasn't an example of that. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:13 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Foreigner Terrans been playing HotS longer yet have awful records at IEM, couldn't they just use their magic I Win Ships to maybe pick up some victories? I mean come on. MVP would have beaten Grubby in WoL after that DT kill starsense anyway. I'm going to use " magic I Win Ships " from now on, thanks. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:12 Corrosive wrote: dunno about rain. seems like he gets picked apart by multitasking terrans a lot. dream and flash tore him apart pretty easily Depends on the form of Rain frankly speaking. I remember he was beating the hot Terrans(Taeja,Polt) during their prime. Rain actually has one of the best multi-tasking defense. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:12 Corrosive wrote: dunno about rain. seems like he gets picked apart by multitasking terrans a lot. dream and flash tore him apart pretty easily Replace him with Creator! | ||
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