• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:57
CEST 18:57
KST 01:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview14Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event11Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster12Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12
StarCraft 2
General
Hybrid setting keep reverting. The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview HSC 27 players & groups
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soma Explains: JaeDong's Defense vs Bisu NaDa's Body BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Social coupon sites
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
NBA General Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1382 users

[IEM] World Championship Day 2 - Page 37

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 70 Next
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 06 2013 12:37 GMT
#721
On March 06 2013 21:34 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Oh! I know! They play zerg.


Lucifron and Kas went down pretty heavily as well. Its not so much them being zergs (just look at ret) as all of these players started practicing hots very recently (IEM kinda fucked them over in that regard ^^)

I also think Snute is playing really poorly for whatever reason and I doubt things would be hugely different scorewise for him if this tourny had been wol
Amove for Aiur
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 12:38:58
March 06 2013 12:37 GMT
#722
On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.


He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.

Edit: I should add that I don't agree ^^. They are just having a bad tournament or haven't adapted to hots yet, just as Lucifron or Kas which nobody would call patchterrans.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
March 06 2013 12:37 GMT
#723
On March 06 2013 21:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I want to see Ultra charge (is that ability still in game?)


Nope it has been removed.
Play your best
wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
March 06 2013 12:37 GMT
#724
zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 06 2013 12:37 GMT
#725
On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.


He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.


Even funnier :D
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Meadowlark
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States349 Posts
March 06 2013 12:38 GMT
#726
Did Snute actually beat any impressive terrans or tosses in any of his championship runs?
''Three bottles of Monster in a day; I'm pumped as fuck." -Stephano
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
March 06 2013 12:38 GMT
#727
Here is the problem, you're taking the first tournament.. and trying to determine who is, or isn't a "patchzerg" and trying to determine balance, off a tournament that a good chunk of players, didn't plan on playing HotS for.
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
March 06 2013 12:39 GMT
#728
On March 06 2013 21:37 wildstyle1337 wrote:
zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet


Hard to say really.

We need to see more tournament results.

After HotS is officially launched and we have GSL tournaments, then we can see.
Play your best
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 06 2013 12:39 GMT
#729
On March 06 2013 21:37 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I want to see Ultra charge (is that ability still in game?)


Nope it has been removed.


Man, that sucks. I didn't really get how them big ones could do that though, but it looked pretty cool.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 06 2013 12:39 GMT
#730
On March 06 2013 21:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.


He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.


Even funnier :D


I agree .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 06 2013 12:39 GMT
#731
On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.


He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.

Yeah.

I just thought it was funny how the zergs that had success before the "patch" are still going strong (Nerchio, Ret, Violet) but these guys are doing terribly. Of course there are other factors involved, but still pretty funny to see.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#732
On March 06 2013 21:35 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:34 LimitSEA wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 FakeDeath wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:32 wildstyle1337 wrote:
why vortix didnt use blindly cloud ?


Useless.

Vortix needed to add a bit of infestor to his composition.

Plus his Vipers got feedbacked before they could I believe.


I am not sure whether his Viper's got feedbacked.

During the final engagement, all i saw a blanket of storm.

Vortix needs to add a few infestor to his composition.

I know they got feedbacked outside Mana's fourth, near the Xel'Naga tower, but after that I'm not sure.
Long live the King of Wings
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#733
On March 06 2013 21:34 pieisamazing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:33 Aunvilgod wrote:
Patchzergs are no more muhahahahaha

patchzergs havent been a thing for a long time tbh

terrancomplainers on the other hand.. lol


complaining and, generally, these discussions would come to an abrupt end if zergs would accept that 65% zvt in gsl and the results of the last 9 months are nowhere near normal, instead of posting stuff like this
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#734
On March 06 2013 21:37 wildstyle1337 wrote:
zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet


Yeah, the thing is Violet is a korean and Ret has been playing HotS for a long time. Most of the people who failed (Lucifron, Kas, various zergs) didn't practice enough HotS. Most were under the impression IEM would be WoL but it was changed on such short notice.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
March 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#735
This is the first tournament in HOTS, there are people attending that have practiced it far more than others that why there are such huge variances in the skill shown by some
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 06 2013 12:41 GMT
#736
On March 06 2013 21:38 EZSkull wrote:
Here is the problem, you're taking the first tournament.. and trying to determine who is, or isn't a "patchzerg" and trying to determine balance, off a tournament that a good chunk of players, didn't plan on playing HotS for.


Nerds are frustraded with another race and there succes. So you get alot of that now, players like Slivko and Vortex will stay around no worries, they still are better then alot of avarage other race foreigners.
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
March 06 2013 12:42 GMT
#737
On March 06 2013 21:34 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Oh! I know! They play zerg.


They're all patch zergs hahaha xD

User was temp banned for this post.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 06 2013 12:42 GMT
#738
On March 06 2013 21:39 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote:
So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.

Can anyone tell what they all have in common?


Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.


He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.

Yeah.

I just thought it was funny how the zergs that had success before the "patch" are still going strong (Nerchio, Ret, Violet) but these guys are doing terribly. Of course there are other factors involved, but still pretty funny to see.


You act like they came up after the patch, won everything, never won anything after again. MC did win a ton, he's out now. Patchtoss? LucifroN had a very good run, Patchterran... just because players came up at a time where their race was strong, doesn't mean they got strong because of a certain change. I can assure you that no one rises from not skilled to top tier with just one change.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
March 06 2013 12:42 GMT
#739
It's true, that HotS is way harder for Zergs, because you can't rely so much on Broodlord/Corruptor, which is the best way how to play Zerg in WoL. So it is not surprising that lots of players lack skills in situations that require gamesense, decision making, multitasking, fast reaction and so on.. In WoL, you just defend, defend, defend and win.. Now in HotS, it's not so easy anymore. I don't call anyone "patchzerg", because it's very negative term, but there is something to it, you are blind/ignorant if you say otherwise.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
March 06 2013 12:42 GMT
#740
On March 06 2013 21:40 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 21:34 pieisamazing wrote:
On March 06 2013 21:33 Aunvilgod wrote:
Patchzergs are no more muhahahahaha

patchzergs havent been a thing for a long time tbh

terrancomplainers on the other hand.. lol


complaining and, generally, these discussions would come to an abrupt end if zergs would accept that 65% zvt in gsl and the results of the last 9 months are nowhere near normal, instead of posting stuff like this

im terran/protoss

i just choose to play better instead of complain like most people, apparently including you

none of the results in the last few months are "abnormal" or "invalid". the zergs played better and won with the version of the game that was current then.
connoisseur
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 70 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:00
XXVII: Day 1
TaKeTV 2594
ComeBackTV 1209
CranKy Ducklings428
IndyStarCraft 346
3DClanTV 138
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 346
ProTech69
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35859
Rain 3557
Calm 3017
Horang2 1343
EffOrt 718
ZerO 394
Snow 208
Rush 79
hero 77
Zeus 74
[ Show more ]
[sc1f]eonzerg 52
Movie 33
Aegong 28
soO 27
HiyA 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Sacsri 13
ivOry 5
Dota 2
Gorgc7409
qojqva2556
syndereN227
Counter-Strike
fl0m1385
Super Smash Bros
ArmadaUGS127
Mew2King123
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor200
Other Games
Beastyqt576
crisheroes399
KnowMe238
Trikslyr50
QueenE39
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream23223
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV476
League of Legends
• Nemesis7356
• Jankos2557
• TFBlade1021
Other Games
• Shiphtur339
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
18h 3m
CSO Cup
23h 3m
BSL: ProLeague
1d 1h
SOOP
1d 16h
SHIN vs ByuN
HomeStory Cup
1d 19h
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV European League
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV European League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
HSC XXVII
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.