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On March 06 2013 21:34 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Oh! I know! They play zerg.
Lucifron and Kas went down pretty heavily as well. Its not so much them being zergs (just look at ret) as all of these players started practicing hots very recently (IEM kinda fucked them over in that regard ^^)
I also think Snute is playing really poorly for whatever reason and I doubt things would be hugely different scorewise for him if this tourny had been wol
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On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus.
He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.
Edit: I should add that I don't agree ^^. They are just having a bad tournament or haven't adapted to hots yet, just as Lucifron or Kas which nobody would call patchterrans.
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On March 06 2013 21:36 AlternativeEgo wrote: I want to see Ultra charge (is that ability still in game?)
Nope it has been removed.
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zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet
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On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus. He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs.
Even funnier :D
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Did Snute actually beat any impressive terrans or tosses in any of his championship runs?
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Here is the problem, you're taking the first tournament.. and trying to determine who is, or isn't a "patchzerg" and trying to determine balance, off a tournament that a good chunk of players, didn't plan on playing HotS for.
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On March 06 2013 21:37 wildstyle1337 wrote: zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet
Hard to say really.
We need to see more tournament results.
After HotS is officially launched and we have GSL tournaments, then we can see.
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On March 06 2013 21:37 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:36 AlternativeEgo wrote: I want to see Ultra charge (is that ability still in game?) Nope it has been removed.
Man, that sucks. I didn't really get how them big ones could do that though, but it looked pretty cool.
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On March 06 2013 21:37 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus. He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs. Even funnier :D
I agree .
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On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus. He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs. Yeah.
I just thought it was funny how the zergs that had success before the "patch" are still going strong (Nerchio, Ret, Violet) but these guys are doing terribly. Of course there are other factors involved, but still pretty funny to see.
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On March 06 2013 21:35 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:34 LimitSEA wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 FakeDeath wrote:On March 06 2013 21:32 wildstyle1337 wrote: why vortix didnt use blindly cloud ? Useless. Vortix needed to add a bit of infestor to his composition. Plus his Vipers got feedbacked before they could I believe. I am not sure whether his Viper's got feedbacked. During the final engagement, all i saw a blanket of storm. Vortix needs to add a few infestor to his composition. I know they got feedbacked outside Mana's fourth, near the Xel'Naga tower, but after that I'm not sure.
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On March 06 2013 21:34 pieisamazing wrote:patchzergs havent been a thing for a long time tbh terrancomplainers on the other hand.. lol
complaining and, generally, these discussions would come to an abrupt end if zergs would accept that 65% zvt in gsl and the results of the last 9 months are nowhere near normal, instead of posting stuff like this
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On March 06 2013 21:37 wildstyle1337 wrote: zerg is not underpowerd in hots look at Ret and Violet
Yeah, the thing is Violet is a korean and Ret has been playing HotS for a long time. Most of the people who failed (Lucifron, Kas, various zergs) didn't practice enough HotS. Most were under the impression IEM would be WoL but it was changed on such short notice.
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This is the first tournament in HOTS, there are people attending that have practiced it far more than others that why there are such huge variances in the skill shown by some
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On March 06 2013 21:38 EZSkull wrote: Here is the problem, you're taking the first tournament.. and trying to determine who is, or isn't a "patchzerg" and trying to determine balance, off a tournament that a good chunk of players, didn't plan on playing HotS for.
Nerds are frustraded with another race and there succes. So you get alot of that now, players like Slivko and Vortex will stay around no worries, they still are better then alot of avarage other race foreigners.
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On March 06 2013 21:34 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Oh! I know! They play zerg.
They're all patch zergs hahaha xD
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On March 06 2013 21:39 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:37 Musicus wrote:On March 06 2013 21:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: So far Slivko, Xlord, Vortix and Snute are crashing and burning in this tournament.
Can anyone tell what they all have in common? Now tell me why Nerchio who lost to superior players with Yonghwa and PartinG and ret who only lost to YoDa only made it out due to luck? OH ZERG IS SO WEAK. Yet you have violet topping his group right now... jesus. He was not trying to say zerg is too weak in hots, but that the 4 mentioned players are patch zergs. Yeah. I just thought it was funny how the zergs that had success before the "patch" are still going strong (Nerchio, Ret, Violet) but these guys are doing terribly. Of course there are other factors involved, but still pretty funny to see.
You act like they came up after the patch, won everything, never won anything after again. MC did win a ton, he's out now. Patchtoss? LucifroN had a very good run, Patchterran... just because players came up at a time where their race was strong, doesn't mean they got strong because of a certain change. I can assure you that no one rises from not skilled to top tier with just one change.
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It's true, that HotS is way harder for Zergs, because you can't rely so much on Broodlord/Corruptor, which is the best way how to play Zerg in WoL. So it is not surprising that lots of players lack skills in situations that require gamesense, decision making, multitasking, fast reaction and so on.. In WoL, you just defend, defend, defend and win.. Now in HotS, it's not so easy anymore. I don't call anyone "patchzerg", because it's very negative term, but there is something to it, you are blind/ignorant if you say otherwise.
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On March 06 2013 21:40 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 21:34 pieisamazing wrote:On March 06 2013 21:33 Aunvilgod wrote: Patchzergs are no more muhahahahaha patchzergs havent been a thing for a long time tbh terrancomplainers on the other hand.. lol complaining and, generally, these discussions would come to an abrupt end if zergs would accept that 65% zvt in gsl and the results of the last 9 months are nowhere near normal, instead of posting stuff like this im terran/protoss
i just choose to play better instead of complain like most people, apparently including you
none of the results in the last few months are "abnormal" or "invalid". the zergs played better and won with the version of the game that was current then.
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