*KeeN defeats Nestea head to head and takes 3rd in the group in case Gom has a wild card group. It is possible but Gom hasn't decided according to Wolf and Khaldor. Maru and FanTaSy advance to Code S!
I know i said I wouldn't be able to make this thread and still made it, but I 100% cannot do Group D later tonight so I'd appreciate it if someone else made the thread and updated it. OP is premade HERE
On March 05 2013 12:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: I know i said I wouldn't be able to make this thread and still made it, but I 100% cannot do Group D later tonight so I'd appreciate it if someone else made the thread and updated it. OP is premade HERE
-_________-;; I finished my lab report so I have some time before I have to move on to the next thing and I saw no one had made the thread yet
probably the group with the most # of recommended games out of all Up and Downs groups. Today is the last day for SPL in WoL too. Lots of games to be played today :o
On March 05 2013 13:08 ZenithM wrote: Don't think HerO will make it, folks ;D Just realized I'd be fine with anybody advancing, really. With a slight preference for Fantasy+Maru.
Really? I think HerO has a pretty good chance. HerO's PvT is pretty good and Nestea been slumping.
I'll say Fantasy + Hero, or Fanta + keen Fantasy hasnt even switched over to HoTS yet I think he's a lock. And he just broke his drought. Hero's still been playing WoL for SPL so he has a good chance Keen has one of the best mechanics out of all of them so he's a good choice.. I pretty much think Nestea will be lucky to be 3rd in this group
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C FanTaSy (0-0) vs KeeN (0-0) Map: Whirlwind
0:00 FanTaSy spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 11-11 proxy rax from Fantasy at the watchtower
2:00 CC first on the low ground for KeeN FanTaSy scouts cross positions first rax for KeeN FanTaSy sees CC first 2nd rax for KeeN marines coming out for FanTaSy now
3:00 bunker started for in the natural of KeeN scv building the CC is killed bunker started in the main for KeeN Fantasy moves into the main KeeN pulls his scvs 3 marines for FanTaSy now
4:00 first marine of KeeN is killed bunker in the natural finishes for FantAsY more and more scvs being picked off KeeN finally finishes his bunker but the marine is targeted down before it gets inside KeeN ggs! FanTaSy wins his first game!
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (0-0) vs HerO (0-0) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right HerO spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for HerO rax first for Maru
2:00 double gas for HerO Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 CC on the low ground for Maru zealot for HerO double gas for Maru stalker for HerO probe scouts the CC of Maru
4:00 Bunker at the natural ramp for Maru Maru scouts no nexus yet with his scv zealot chases the scv scout away sentry for HerO Nexus for HerO Factory for Maru
5:00 reactor for Maru robo for HerO tech lab for Maru Starport for Maru
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (0-0) vs HerO (0-0) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right HerO spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for HerO rax first for Maru
2:00 double gas for HerO Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 CC on the low ground for Maru zealot for HerO double gas for Maru stalker for HerO probe scouts the CC of Maru
4:00 Bunker at the natural ramp for Maru Maru scouts no nexus yet with his scv zealot chases the scv scout away sentry for HerO Nexus for HerO Factory for Maru
5:00 reactor for Maru robo for HerO tech lab for Maru Starport for Maru
6:00 3rd gas finishes for Maru 3rd gas for HerO tech lab for Maru on his factory Starport switched onto the original tech lab made (tl starport, factory, reactored rax)
7:00 cloak and banshee started for Maru siege tanks started for Maru observer for HerO missile turret in the natural for Maru robotics bay for HerO another gate for HerO forge for HerO 2 obs already out for HerO
8:00 4th gas for HerO observer fliers into the main of Maru and sees tech lab factory and researching tech lab starport +1 armor for HerO 2 more rax for Maru first observer of HerO is killed siege mode research started for MAru another observer being made for HerO
9:00 first banshee attacking the main of HerO cannons finishing up in HerO's mineral line stalkers deflect the first banshee banshee finds a sweet spot where i can kill a pylon powering the robotics bay and gateway 2 more rax for Maru cloak canceled
10:00 Extended thermal lance research and colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for Maru 3 more gates for HerO +1 attack almost done for Maru stim research on the way for Maru
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (0-0) vs HerO (0-0) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right HerO spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for HerO rax first for Maru
2:00 double gas for HerO Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 CC on the low ground for Maru zealot for HerO double gas for Maru stalker for HerO probe scouts the CC of Maru
4:00 Bunker at the natural ramp for Maru Maru scouts no nexus yet with his scv zealot chases the scv scout away sentry for HerO Nexus for HerO Factory for Maru
5:00 reactor for Maru robo for HerO tech lab for Maru Starport for Maru
6:00 3rd gas finishes for Maru 3rd gas for HerO tech lab for Maru on his factory Starport switched onto the original tech lab made (tl starport, factory, reactored rax)
7:00 cloak and banshee started for Maru siege tanks started for Maru observer for HerO missile turret in the natural for Maru robotics bay for HerO another gate for HerO forge for HerO 2 obs already out for HerO
8:00 4th gas for HerO observer fliers into the main of Maru and sees tech lab factory and researching tech lab starport +1 armor for HerO 2 more rax for Maru first observer of HerO is killed siege mode research started for MAru another observer being made for HerO
9:00 first banshee attacking the main of HerO cannons finishing up in HerO's mineral line stalkers deflect the first banshee banshee finds a sweet spot where i can kill a pylon powering the robotics bay and gateway 2 more rax for Maru cloak canceled
10:00 Extended thermal lance research and colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for Maru 3 more gates for HerO +1 attack almost done for Maru stim research on the way for Maru
11:00 Twilight council for HerO +1 attack for HerO combat shields for Maru triple marauder production for Maru immortal production started for HerO viking production started for Maru
12:00 Templar archives for HerO 3rd base started for HerO HerO stopped at 2 colossi Maru starting to push out observer sees the army moving out HerO moving out to meet the army in the middle of the map
13:00 HerO sets up a defensive position storm research started for HerO charge research started for HerO concussive shells for Maru HerO tries to forcefield but his zealots take a lot of tank shots 3rd base of herO canceled Maru pushing the natural
14:00 Maru is up 30 supply siege tanks siege up outside the natural of HerO the first colossus falls to vikings there isnt enough anti air to stop the vikings Maru pushes into the natural Maru up 60 supply the last of HerO's army falls HerO makes 2 HTs a colossus and a few zealots in his main natural nexus of HerO falls
15:00 Marus sieges up the main ramp storm hits the army of Maru but it doesnt matter Maru up 90 supply robo of HerO is killed HerO ggs! Maru wins his first game!
On March 05 2013 13:33 AgentW wrote: Wait, Keen already played? How in the blazes?
11/11 proxy by Fantasy
Damn. Gutsy move in TvT.
I cant remember seeing it work recently on any map besides Whirlwind. There's such a high chance of CC first from your opponent compared to other maps. Bomber did it to TY also in Code A a season or two ago
On March 05 2013 13:35 samurai80 wrote: This was another disgusting PvT. How is Hero supposed to deal with that?
Look, I love protoss but hero tried teching to everything (besides stargate) AND take a third. He even had an Obs in maru's base and saw him pull his SCVs too. Greedy play is countered by an all-in such as that
On March 05 2013 13:36 Fionn wrote: i forgot maru cheeses a lot in up and downs and hero is a greedy motherfucker who sucks in these Bo1 round robin tournaments
On March 05 2013 13:35 samurai80 wrote: This was another disgusting PvT. How is Hero supposed to deal with that?
Look, I love protoss but hero tried teching to everything (besides stargate) AND take a third. He even had an Obs in maru's base and saw him pull his SCVs too. Greedy play is countered by an all-in such as that
Maru was the most greedy, taking even more tech earlier and they had the same amount of probe. Hero could not do anything at that point because he had to wait for storm, so taking his third was logical. Edit: And his cloaked banshee hardly killed a probe.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C FanTaSy (1-0) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 FanTaSy spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 12-13 proxy rax from Fantasy near the normal 4th
2:00 hatch first for NesTea overlord of NesTea scouts the proxy rax pool for NesTea
3:00 Nestea has a drone waiting in the natural to stop bunkers first marine arrives bunker started in the natural choke of NesTea NesTea pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural lings are out for NesTea
4:00 Fantasy has to cancel his bunker NesTea lost 1 drone, Fantasy lost nothing and backs off spine started in the natural of Nestea CC on the low ground for Fantasy
5:00 NesTea cancels his spinecrawler after scouting the CC with his overlord Fantasy floats his rax back to his main gas for Nestea 3rd CC started for Fantasy in his main 2 rax are walling off the natural choke of Fantasy Fantasy moving across the map with a small marine force
Kind of strange how I only seem to see this build with that 3 rax wall off when Terran's on the top side of CK. When at the bottom, the addons go on the wrong side. That has to factor into the player's thinking? If so, it seems kind of dumb from a design perspective.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C FanTaSy (1-0) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 FanTaSy spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 12-13 proxy rax from Fantasy near the normal 4th
2:00 hatch first for NesTea overlord of NesTea scouts the proxy rax pool for NesTea
3:00 Nestea has a drone waiting in the natural to stop bunkers first marine arrives bunker started in the natural choke of NesTea NesTea pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural lings are out for NesTea
4:00 Fantasy has to cancel his bunker NesTea lost 1 drone, Fantasy lost nothing and backs off spine started in the natural of Nestea CC on the low ground for Fantasy
5:00 NesTea cancels his spinecrawler after scouting the CC with his overlord Fantasy floats his rax back to his main gas for Nestea 3rd CC started for Fantasy in his main 2 rax are walling off the natural choke of Fantasy Fantasy moving across the map with a small marine force
6:00 NesTea sends his lings across the map the marines move into the natural of Nestea while the lings are all thew ay across the map 1 queen is killed along with a few drones Fantasy moves into the main Nestea pulls drones to defend
7:00 Nestea finally cleans up the attack but he lost 6 more drones and almost all of his lings 3rd rax finishes for Fantasy to complete the wall 4th rax for Fantasy tech lab for Fantasy combat shields for Fantasy ling speed for Nestea Factory for Fantasy
8:00 3rd base for Nestea another gas for Nestea baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Fantasy another gas for Nestea
9:00 double ebay for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy 4th gas for Nestea stim research started for Fantasy Fantasy moving out with another group of marines as combat shields finishes 1-1 started for Fantasy defensive banes started for Nestea double evo for Nestea Fantasy kills 1 building evo with his marine force
10:00 Marines get surrounded and killed by banes just outside Nestea's natural Fantasy lands his 3rd OC siege mode research started for Fantasy double medivac production started for Fantasy Lair for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea 2nd evo chamber rebuilt +1 melee for Nestea
On March 05 2013 13:42 AgentW wrote: Kind of strange how I only seem to see this build with that 3 rax wall off when Terran's on the top side of CK. When at the bottom, the addons go on the wrong side. That has to factor into the player's thinking? If so, it seems kind of dumb from a design perspective.
Yeah, makes you think maybe you should be able to choose which side of your rax the addon goes on
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C FanTaSy (1-0) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 FanTaSy spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 12-13 proxy rax from Fantasy near the normal 4th
2:00 hatch first for NesTea overlord of NesTea scouts the proxy rax pool for NesTea
3:00 Nestea has a drone waiting in the natural to stop bunkers first marine arrives bunker started in the natural choke of NesTea NesTea pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural lings are out for NesTea
4:00 Fantasy has to cancel his bunker NesTea lost 1 drone, Fantasy lost nothing and backs off spine started in the natural of Nestea CC on the low ground for Fantasy
5:00 NesTea cancels his spinecrawler after scouting the CC with his overlord Fantasy floats his rax back to his main gas for Nestea 3rd CC started for Fantasy in his main 2 rax are walling off the natural choke of Fantasy Fantasy moving across the map with a small marine force
6:00 NesTea sends his lings across the map the marines move into the natural of Nestea while the lings are all thew ay across the map 1 queen is killed along with a few drones Fantasy moves into the main Nestea pulls drones to defend
7:00 Nestea finally cleans up the attack but he lost 6 more drones and almost all of his lings 3rd rax finishes for Fantasy to complete the wall 4th rax for Fantasy tech lab for Fantasy combat shields for Fantasy ling speed for Nestea Factory for Fantasy
8:00 3rd base for Nestea another gas for Nestea baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Fantasy another gas for Nestea
9:00 double ebay for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy 4th gas for Nestea stim research started for Fantasy Fantasy moving out with another group of marines as combat shields finishes 1-1 started for Fantasy defensive banes started for Nestea double evo for Nestea Fantasy kills 1 building evo with his marine force
10:00 Marines get surrounded and killed by banes just outside Nestea's natural Fantasy lands his 3rd OC siege mode research started for Fantasy double medivac production started for Fantasy Lair for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea 2nd evo chamber rebuilt +1 melee for Nestea
11:00 Nestea scouts the 3rd of Fantasy ling runby to the 3rd is denied by a bio force siege tank production started for Fantasy 3 more rax for Fantasy armory for Fantasy spire for Nestea
12:00 baneling speed for Nestea macro hatch for Nestea Fantasy moves into the natural of nestea with marines and his first 2 medivacs banelings are targeted down and then Fantasy lifts his units 4th base for Nestea
13:00 Fantasy scouts the 4th of Nestea Nestea forces a lift on the marines with his lings 2nd factory for Fantasy missile turrets going up for Fantasy double drop in the natural of Nestea
14:00 Nestea cleans up the drop but loses a bunch of lings 13 mutas coming out for Nestea +1 flier attack for Nestea double drop at the 4th of Nestea is forced to lift 2-2 started for Fantasy +2 carapace for Nestea
15:00 +2 melee started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for Fantasy Nestea making 20 more banelings 4th CC started for Fantasy
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C FanTaSy (1-0) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 FanTaSy spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 12-13 proxy rax from Fantasy near the normal 4th
2:00 hatch first for NesTea overlord of NesTea scouts the proxy rax pool for NesTea
3:00 Nestea has a drone waiting in the natural to stop bunkers first marine arrives bunker started in the natural choke of NesTea NesTea pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural lings are out for NesTea
4:00 Fantasy has to cancel his bunker NesTea lost 1 drone, Fantasy lost nothing and backs off spine started in the natural of Nestea CC on the low ground for Fantasy
5:00 NesTea cancels his spinecrawler after scouting the CC with his overlord Fantasy floats his rax back to his main gas for Nestea 3rd CC started for Fantasy in his main 2 rax are walling off the natural choke of Fantasy Fantasy moving across the map with a small marine force
6:00 NesTea sends his lings across the map the marines move into the natural of Nestea while the lings are all thew ay across the map 1 queen is killed along with a few drones Fantasy moves into the main Nestea pulls drones to defend
7:00 Nestea finally cleans up the attack but he lost 6 more drones and almost all of his lings 3rd rax finishes for Fantasy to complete the wall 4th rax for Fantasy tech lab for Fantasy combat shields for Fantasy ling speed for Nestea Factory for Fantasy
8:00 3rd base for Nestea another gas for Nestea baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Fantasy another gas for Nestea
9:00 double ebay for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy 4th gas for Nestea stim research started for Fantasy Fantasy moving out with another group of marines as combat shields finishes 1-1 started for Fantasy defensive banes started for Nestea double evo for Nestea Fantasy kills 1 building evo with his marine force
10:00 Marines get surrounded and killed by banes just outside Nestea's natural Fantasy lands his 3rd OC siege mode research started for Fantasy double medivac production started for Fantasy Lair for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea 2nd evo chamber rebuilt +1 melee for Nestea
11:00 Nestea scouts the 3rd of Fantasy ling runby to the 3rd is denied by a bio force siege tank production started for Fantasy 3 more rax for Fantasy armory for Fantasy spire for Nestea
12:00 baneling speed for Nestea macro hatch for Nestea Fantasy moves into the natural of nestea with marines and his first 2 medivacs banelings are targeted down and then Fantasy lifts his units 4th base for Nestea
13:00 Fantasy scouts the 4th of Nestea Nestea forces a lift on the marines with his lings 2nd factory for Fantasy missile turrets going up for Fantasy double drop in the natural of Nestea
14:00 Nestea cleans up the drop but loses a bunch of lings 13 mutas coming out for Nestea +1 flier attack for Nestea double drop at the 4th of Nestea is forced to lift 2-2 started for Fantasy +2 carapace for Nestea
15:00 +2 melee started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for Fantasy Nestea making 20 more banelings 4th CC started for Fantasy
16:00 drop in the main of Nestea Nestea engages the main army of Fantasy Nestea gets some good baneling hits but fantasy's army is too ig Fantasy targets down the spawning pool in the main of Nestea spawning pool restarted Nestea finally cleans up the drop with his mutas 23 more banes for Nestea Fantasy pushes the 4th of Nestea
17:00 Fantasy presplits his units against the banes banelings hit some tanks 4th base of Nestea is killed Fantasy is 60 supply ahead 3-3 started for Fantasy 4th base restarted Nestea on the other side of the map
18:00 Fantasy pushing the 3rd of Nestea drop in the main of Nestea 3rd base of Nestea is killed spawning pool is at the 3rd base spawning pool is killed again Nestea cleans up the drop in his main Fantasy is 80 supply ahead
19:00 Fantasy lands his 4th base at 3 o clock PF started for Fantasy Fantasy pushing towards the natural of Nestea slowly Nestea tries to engage wtih banes he doesnt have near enough Nestea ggs! Fantasy wins and improves to 2-0!
On March 05 2013 13:50 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Did the mutas do anything at all?
no he didnt even try. There were turrets up at every base before the mutas were even out
Considering how late it was and the fact that Nestea didn't have his lings at the third to pressure it (he had only one to scout on attack move so Fantasy got wind of it), Fantasy was so economically ahead I think infestors would have been a better choice. Fantasy was simply too prepared for mutas.
On March 05 2013 13:50 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Did the mutas do anything at all?
no he didnt even try. There were turrets up at every base before the mutas were even out
Considering how late it was and the fact that Nestea didn't have his lings at the third to pressure it (he had only one to scout on attack move so Fantasy got wind of it), Fantasy was so economically ahead I think infestors would have been a better choice. Fantasy was simply too prepared for mutas.
yeah Nestea was just way behind after that marine pressure. He lost 16 lings and 7 drones. his Lair didnt start until after 10 min. There was no chance for mutas to do anything unless Fantasy just went afk or forgot his ebay somehow, but even then his upgrades were ahead of Nestea so no chance of that happening
amazing that Fantasy's won 2 games already and maru only 1 and yet maru is still predicted over fantasy for 1st place...
I suppose Maru beat the other top contender whereas Fantasy "only" beat the two underdogs?
It might be because Fantasy lost a bunch of games recently (what was it 8 in a row in proleague and then 2-0d by Shine who had like a 1000 rating because he was like 1-8 in proleague) so Maru is just heavily favored over Fantasy and Fantasy's rating probably got tanked. Shine's rating will probably go up after last night's games though so it wont look like as bad of a loss
Really surprised Maru is ranked that high, and I knew Fantasy was doing poorly, but that's a bit of a shocker that he fell so low. Makes the current predictions make sense though.
On March 05 2013 14:00 Random_0 wrote: Let's see if Fantasy can make it through the U&D's this year. Last GSL, he won his opening few games and then crashed out with 2-3 straight losses.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (1-0) vs KeeN (0-1) Map: Icarus
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right KeeN spawns in the top left
1:30 gas first for Maru rax first for KeeN
2:00 rax for Maru gas for KeeN on 15
3:00 Factory from Maru scv scout from KeeN sees everything wall denies Maru's scv scout tech lab for Maru reactor for KeeN
4:00 Starport for Maru CC for KeeN Factory for KeeN hellion for Maru 2nd gas for Maru
5:00 Cloak for Maru Banshee for Maru starport for KeeN 2nd gas for KeeN reactored hellion production for KeeN
6:00 viking for KeeN ebay for KeeN 2nd banshee for Maru bunker at the main wall for Maru stim reearch started for KeeN first banshee of Maru arrives at the natural of KeeN KeeN scans but the banshee escapes
7:00 banshee starts killing marines missile turrets going up for KeeN CC building for Maru 2nd viking for KeeN 2nd banshee arrives for Maru
8:00 2nd viking comes out and KeeN scans and kills the 2nd banshee stim research started for Maru 3rd banshee is out for Maru 4th banshee started for Maru double ebay for Maru 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN puts up more missilet urrets in his main 3rd banshee flies into the main of KeeN and kills 2 more marine and starts harassing gas scvs
9:00 the banshee is killed off by the 2 vikings cloak and banshee started for KeeN 1-1 started for Maru siege tank production started for Maru +1 attack started for KeeN combat shields for KeeN
10:00 3 more rax for Maru another banshee flies into the main of KeeN and scouted cloak and banshee of KeeN missile turrets started for Maru 5 more workers killed before the banshee is cleaned up viking production started for Maru siege tank and siege mode research started for KeeN
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (1-0) vs KeeN (0-1) Map: Icarus
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right KeeN spawns in the top left
1:30 gas first for Maru rax first for KeeN
2:00 rax for Maru gas for KeeN on 15
3:00 Factory from Maru scv scout from KeeN sees everything wall denies Maru's scv scout tech lab for Maru reactor for KeeN
4:00 Starport for Maru CC for KeeN Factory for KeeN hellion for Maru 2nd gas for Maru
5:00 Cloak for Maru Banshee for Maru starport for KeeN 2nd gas for KeeN reactored hellion production for KeeN
6:00 viking for KeeN ebay for KeeN 2nd banshee for Maru bunker at the main wall for Maru stim reearch started for KeeN first banshee of Maru arrives at the natural of KeeN KeeN scans but the banshee escapes
7:00 banshee starts killing marines missile turrets going up for KeeN CC building for Maru 2nd viking for KeeN 2nd banshee arrives for Maru
8:00 2nd viking comes out and KeeN scans and kills the 2nd banshee stim research started for Maru 3rd banshee is out for Maru 4th banshee started for Maru double ebay for Maru 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN puts up more missilet urrets in his main 3rd banshee flies into the main of KeeN and kills 2 more marine and starts harassing gas scvs
9:00 the banshee is killed off by the 2 vikings cloak and banshee started for KeeN 1-1 started for Maru siege tank production started for Maru +1 attack started for KeeN combat shields for KeeN
10:00 3 more rax for Maru another banshee flies into the main of KeeN and scouted cloak and banshee of KeeN missile turrets started for Maru 5 more workers killed before the banshee is cleaned up viking production started for Maru siege tank and siege mode research started for KeeN
11:00 first banshee flies into the natural of Maru and is killed by marines raven started for Maru armory for Maru 2nd ebay for KeeN 3rd CC started for KeeN another banshee flies into the main of KeeN and starts hitting marines armory for KeeN
12:00 vikings chase the banshee away +1 armor started for KeeN +2 attack started for Maru
13:00 KeeN pushing across the map Maru is ahead 4-2 in the tank count but KeeN has 10 more marines +2 armor started for Maru +2 attack started for KeeN siege mode research started for Maru combat shields finishes for Maru
14:00 KeeN moving towards the back rocks of Maru KeeN breaking down the rocks to Maru's natural siege tank and 8 marines dropped behind the grass in the main of Maru Maru flanks the main army of KeeN
15:00 Maru cleans up the army of KeeN drop of KeeN is cleaned up but the tank escapes KeeN lands his 3rd base +1 vehicle weapons for KeeN 2nd factory for KeeN Maru pushing out on the map
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (1-0) vs KeeN (0-1) Map: Icarus
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right KeeN spawns in the top left
1:30 gas first for Maru rax first for KeeN
2:00 rax for Maru gas for KeeN on 15
3:00 Factory from Maru scv scout from KeeN sees everything wall denies Maru's scv scout tech lab for Maru reactor for KeeN
4:00 Starport for Maru CC for KeeN Factory for KeeN hellion for Maru 2nd gas for Maru
5:00 Cloak for Maru Banshee for Maru starport for KeeN 2nd gas for KeeN reactored hellion production for KeeN
6:00 viking for KeeN ebay for KeeN 2nd banshee for Maru bunker at the main wall for Maru stim reearch started for KeeN first banshee of Maru arrives at the natural of KeeN KeeN scans but the banshee escapes
7:00 banshee starts killing marines missile turrets going up for KeeN CC building for Maru 2nd viking for KeeN 2nd banshee arrives for Maru
8:00 2nd viking comes out and KeeN scans and kills the 2nd banshee stim research started for Maru 3rd banshee is out for Maru 4th banshee started for Maru double ebay for Maru 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN puts up more missilet urrets in his main 3rd banshee flies into the main of KeeN and kills 2 more marine and starts harassing gas scvs
9:00 the banshee is killed off by the 2 vikings cloak and banshee started for KeeN 1-1 started for Maru siege tank production started for Maru +1 attack started for KeeN combat shields for KeeN
10:00 3 more rax for Maru another banshee flies into the main of KeeN and scouted cloak and banshee of KeeN missile turrets started for Maru 5 more workers killed before the banshee is cleaned up viking production started for Maru siege tank and siege mode research started for KeeN
11:00 first banshee flies into the natural of Maru and is killed by marines raven started for Maru armory for Maru 2nd ebay for KeeN 3rd CC started for KeeN another banshee flies into the main of KeeN and starts hitting marines armory for KeeN
12:00 vikings chase the banshee away +1 armor started for KeeN +2 attack started for Maru
13:00 KeeN pushing across the map Maru is ahead 4-2 in the tank count but KeeN has 10 more marines +2 armor started for Maru +2 attack started for KeeN siege mode research started for Maru combat shields finishes for Maru
14:00 KeeN moving towards the back rocks of Maru KeeN breaking down the rocks to Maru's natural siege tank and 8 marines dropped behind the grass in the main of Maru Maru flanks the main army of KeeN
15:00 Maru cleans up the army of KeeN drop of KeeN is cleaned up but the tank escapes KeeN lands his 3rd base +1 vehicle weapons for KeeN 2nd factory for KeeN Maru pushing out on the map
16:00 Maru moving towards the 3rd of KeeN KeeN sieges up at his 3rd Maru's banshee picks off a tank tanks are in range of the mineral line of KeeN's 3rd scvs are evacuated
17:00 KeeN lifts his 3rd OC +3 attack started for KeeN banshee of Maru is killed off before the viking of KeeN dies +3 attack started for Maru
18:00 main OC of Maru floating out to take a 3rd drop in the natural of KeeN KeeN is able to force the drop to lift KeeN has a marine force moving around the bottom of the map that is spotted
19:00 Maru moves to intercept the marine force KeeN stims and runs into the natural of Maru Maru has a tank waiting and KeeN loses all of the marines and 2 medivacs Maru backs off from the 3rd of KeeN and KeeN repositions his tanks KeeN retakes his 3rd base
20:00 +1 vehicle weapons started for Maru Maru moving around for another point of attack KeeN stims in and Maru sieges Maru kills all of the marines of KeeN Maru takes a 50 supply lead Maru sends another force into the 3rd of KeeN and kills the OC KeeN ggs! KeeN falls to 0-2 Maru wins and improves to 2-0!
Man that was a fun fun game, I agree with Khaldor turning point was KeeN's failed drop, but I was shocked how poorly he defended the banshees too, Maru played very well can't say a bad thing on it!
On March 05 2013 13:08 ZenithM wrote: Don't think HerO will make it, folks ;D Just realized I'd be fine with anybody advancing, really. With a slight preference for Fantasy+Maru.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
If you told me that this guy had won 3 GSLs, I would have laughed in your face. He's playing like he's on the brink of retirement right now. Iron Squid was his only decent showing in a long time.
This is not the real Nestea he is astrally traveling into the future to buff Zerg in HotS. His advanced AI is now playing HerO and while it is sophisticated it is not up to HerO's level but it is enough to cover Nestea's tracks however I see what you are doing Nestea!
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
11:00 +2 melee started for Nestea Colossus production started for HerO phoenixes pick off more overlords Extended thermal lance research for HerO 3rd base for HerO
12:00 +1 armor for HerO forward pylon going up for HerO near the 3rd of Nestea 12 mutas started for Nestea 1 phoenix is finally picked off by a spore twilight council for HerO
13:00 2nd forge for HerO HerO pushing around the bottom of the map 5th base started for Nestea single zealot attacking the 5th of Nestea Nestea sends some lings to save his 5th but the main army of HerO is there
14:00 5th base of Nestea is canceled HerO attacks the 4th of Nestea Nestea going for a counter attack with hydras and mutas spines started for Nestea in his natural phoenixes are killed off by mutas HerO is moving back home HerO's stalkers in the main are killed by mutas
15:00 zealots killing the 3rd of Nestea 19 mutas out for Nestea +2 flier attack started for Nestea mutas move to the 3rd of HerO and start killing probes HerO remaking phoenixes Nestea is 50 supply ahead
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
11:00 +2 melee started for Nestea Colossus production started for HerO phoenixes pick off more overlords Extended thermal lance research for HerO 3rd base for HerO
12:00 +1 armor for HerO forward pylon going up for HerO near the 3rd of Nestea 12 mutas started for Nestea 1 phoenix is finally picked off by a spore twilight council for HerO
13:00 2nd forge for HerO HerO pushing around the bottom of the map 5th base started for Nestea single zealot attacking the 5th of Nestea Nestea sends some lings to save his 5th but the main army of HerO is there
14:00 5th base of Nestea is canceled HerO attacks the 4th of Nestea Nestea going for a counter attack with hydras and mutas spines started for Nestea in his natural phoenixes are killed off by mutas HerO is moving back home HerO's stalkers in the main are killed by mutas
15:00 zealots killing the 3rd of Nestea 19 mutas out for Nestea +2 flier attack started for Nestea mutas move to the 3rd of HerO and start killing probes HerO remaking phoenixes Nestea is 50 supply ahead
16:00 HerO putting up more cannons cybernetics core was killed and being rebuilt 3rd base being rebuilt for Nestea mutas fly back into the main phoenixes are trying to kite back but mutas just kill some probes and cannons ling runby to the 3rd of HerO is denied dark shrine for HerO
17:00 4th and 5th base rebuilt for Nestea blink research started for HerO Nestea moves into the 3rd of HerO with his muta ling army 1 colossu sis targeted own Nestea bounces to the natural
18:00 stalkers warp into the natural and Nestea flies into the main the mutas are finally chased away phoenix count is reduced to 2 +1 air carapace started for Nestea 2-2 started for HerO
19:00 DT moving across the map for HerO overseer and psines waiting for Nestea the DT gets away and moves to the 3rd DT kills the queen at Nestea's 3rd
20:00 DT harassing the 5th of Nestea baneling nest for Nestea (oh god here it comes) +1 carapace for Nestea HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea with his main army Nestea goes for a counterattack to the natural of herO ling muta attack at the natural of HerO pheonixes fly into the muta flock colossus taken out by mutas Hero sends his main army home
I'm no pro, but I get the sense that this is a bit of a sloppy game - good number of things both players could have done better, both mechanically and strategically
ex - Nestea having no creep connection between bases early, missing the proxy probe, losing 4th to a single dt Hero - poor reaction to scouting spire not getting blink/pheonix range early enough
really like Nestea's dedication to air upgrades tho, he's up to 2-2 if I see properly will let him fight straight up with mutas, and helps with Broods later
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
11:00 +2 melee started for Nestea Colossus production started for HerO phoenixes pick off more overlords Extended thermal lance research for HerO 3rd base for HerO
12:00 +1 armor for HerO forward pylon going up for HerO near the 3rd of Nestea 12 mutas started for Nestea 1 phoenix is finally picked off by a spore twilight council for HerO
13:00 2nd forge for HerO HerO pushing around the bottom of the map 5th base started for Nestea single zealot attacking the 5th of Nestea Nestea sends some lings to save his 5th but the main army of HerO is there
14:00 5th base of Nestea is canceled HerO attacks the 4th of Nestea Nestea going for a counter attack with hydras and mutas spines started for Nestea in his natural phoenixes are killed off by mutas HerO is moving back home HerO's stalkers in the main are killed by mutas
15:00 zealots killing the 3rd of Nestea 19 mutas out for Nestea +2 flier attack started for Nestea mutas move to the 3rd of HerO and start killing probes HerO remaking phoenixes Nestea is 50 supply ahead
16:00 HerO putting up more cannons cybernetics core was killed and being rebuilt 3rd base being rebuilt for Nestea mutas fly back into the main phoenixes are trying to kite back but mutas just kill some probes and cannons ling runby to the 3rd of HerO is denied dark shrine for HerO
17:00 4th and 5th base rebuilt for Nestea blink research started for HerO Nestea moves into the 3rd of HerO with his muta ling army 1 colossu sis targeted own Nestea bounces to the natural
18:00 stalkers warp into the natural and Nestea flies into the main the mutas are finally chased away phoenix count is reduced to 2 +1 air carapace started for Nestea 2-2 started for HerO
19:00 DT moving across the map for HerO overseer and psines waiting for Nestea the DT gets away and moves to the 3rd DT kills the queen at Nestea's 3rd
20:00 DT harassing the 5th of Nestea baneling nest for Nestea (oh god here it comes) +1 carapace for Nestea HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea with his main army Nestea goes for a counterattack to the natural of herO ling muta attack at the natural of HerO pheonixes fly into the muta flock colossus taken out by mutas Hero sends his main army home
21:00 5th base of Nestea is killed off by a DT mutas chased out and lings cleaned up in the main and natural of HerO 5th base restarted for Nestea HerO putting up more cannons Hero pushing out with his main army again
22:00 4th base started for HerO HerO chases after the army of Nestea baneling speed started for Nestea +2 air carapace started for Nestea zealot runby at the 5th of Nestea Nestea has to cancel his 5th
23:00 HerO breaking down the center rocks 5th base restarted for Nestea mutas fly into the main of HerO templar archives for HerO HerO sends his main army home 3-3 started for herO templar archives canceled by mutas Templar archives restarted +2 carapace for Nestea
24:00 mutas fly to the 3rd of HerO and start killing cannons and probes mutas are pushed away Nestea throws away some lings in the middle of the map mutas come back intot he 3rd before cannons are rebuilt Mutas tryt o target downt he nexus but stalkers blink in Nestea tries to fight the stalkers with his mutas but he has to back off as more come in
25:00 storm research started for HerO 2nd muta flock flies intot he main and kills the templar archives mutas target down the main nexus of HerO infestation pit for Nestea
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
11:00 +2 melee started for Nestea Colossus production started for HerO phoenixes pick off more overlords Extended thermal lance research for HerO 3rd base for HerO
12:00 +1 armor for HerO forward pylon going up for HerO near the 3rd of Nestea 12 mutas started for Nestea 1 phoenix is finally picked off by a spore twilight council for HerO
13:00 2nd forge for HerO HerO pushing around the bottom of the map 5th base started for Nestea single zealot attacking the 5th of Nestea Nestea sends some lings to save his 5th but the main army of HerO is there
14:00 5th base of Nestea is canceled HerO attacks the 4th of Nestea Nestea going for a counter attack with hydras and mutas spines started for Nestea in his natural phoenixes are killed off by mutas HerO is moving back home HerO's stalkers in the main are killed by mutas
15:00 zealots killing the 3rd of Nestea 19 mutas out for Nestea +2 flier attack started for Nestea mutas move to the 3rd of HerO and start killing probes HerO remaking phoenixes Nestea is 50 supply ahead
16:00 HerO putting up more cannons cybernetics core was killed and being rebuilt 3rd base being rebuilt for Nestea mutas fly back into the main phoenixes are trying to kite back but mutas just kill some probes and cannons ling runby to the 3rd of HerO is denied dark shrine for HerO
17:00 4th and 5th base rebuilt for Nestea blink research started for HerO Nestea moves into the 3rd of HerO with his muta ling army 1 colossu sis targeted own Nestea bounces to the natural
18:00 stalkers warp into the natural and Nestea flies into the main the mutas are finally chased away phoenix count is reduced to 2 +1 air carapace started for Nestea 2-2 started for HerO
19:00 DT moving across the map for HerO overseer and psines waiting for Nestea the DT gets away and moves to the 3rd DT kills the queen at Nestea's 3rd
20:00 DT harassing the 5th of Nestea baneling nest for Nestea (oh god here it comes) +1 carapace for Nestea HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea with his main army Nestea goes for a counterattack to the natural of herO ling muta attack at the natural of HerO pheonixes fly into the muta flock colossus taken out by mutas Hero sends his main army home
21:00 5th base of Nestea is killed off by a DT mutas chased out and lings cleaned up in the main and natural of HerO 5th base restarted for Nestea HerO putting up more cannons Hero pushing out with his main army again
22:00 4th base started for HerO HerO chases after the army of Nestea baneling speed started for Nestea +2 air carapace started for Nestea zealot runby at the 5th of Nestea Nestea has to cancel his 5th
23:00 HerO breaking down the center rocks 5th base restarted for Nestea mutas fly into the main of HerO templar archives for HerO HerO sends his main army home 3-3 started for herO templar archives canceled by mutas Templar archives restarted +2 carapace for Nestea
24:00 mutas fly to the 3rd of HerO and start killing cannons and probes mutas are pushed away Nestea throws away some lings in the middle of the map mutas come back intot he 3rd before cannons are rebuilt Mutas tryt o target downt he nexus but stalkers blink in Nestea tries to fight the stalkers with his mutas but he has to back off as more come in
25:00 storm research started for HerO 2nd muta flock flies intot he main and kills the templar archives mutas target down the main nexus of HerO infestation pit for Nestea
26:00 Tempar archives rebuilt for HerO 40 mutas out for Nestea storm research restarted for HerO
27:00 muta ling baneling attack at the 3rd of HerO 3rd nexus of HerO targeted down banelings run into stalkers because Nestea likes banelings Hive started for Nestea 10 more mutas on the way for Nestea mutas fighting stalkers in the main of HerO
28:00 storm finally finishes for HerO HTs are out for HerO 3rd base restarted for HerO 22 more banes on the way fo rNestea
29:00 mutas regroup and Nestea engages the army of HerO storm chases the mutas away mutas fly to the 3rd of HerO and force a cancel Nestea rolls banelings into the mineral line of HerO's 4th and kill all of the probes banelings blow up a cannon 3rd base of HerO canceled mutas fly intot he main of HerO and start killing stuff
30:00 Nestea is 50 supply ahead Nestea unpowering Hero's gateways HerO warping in some more HTs HerO going for the counterattack banelings run into HerO's army HerO has unpowered all of the gateways HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea
Nestea looks like a guy who knows he has the game won and is just messing around... except he didn't have the game won at the time he started being a dope.
Btw, that looked like a typical 2011 PvZ. Stargate into 2 base colossus vs hydras, then zerg goes to mass mutas, controls the map, threatening the base trade. Not bad at all :D
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-1) vs NesTea (0-1) Map: Daybreak
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left NesTea spawns in the top right
1:30 11 pool for Nestea
2:00 probe scout of HerO sees the fast pool probe of Hero harassing drones of Nestea forge for HerO only 2 lings and a queen started for Nestea as the pool finishes
3:00 cannon for HerO hatch for Nestea Nexus for HerO gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for NesTea cybernetics core for HerO
5:00 zealot for Nestea HerO scouts the 3rd of Nestea stalker for HerO Nestea barely misses the probe of HerO on the map
6:00 stargate for HerO double gas for Nestea 2nd stalker for HerO
7:00 3rd gas for Nestea HerO harassing at the 3rd of Nestea zealot is kileld by lings stalker kiting back against slow lings phoenix production started for HerO evo chamber for Nestea Lair for Nestea ling speed for Nestea 2 stalkers still harassing at the 3rd of Nestea
8:00 robo for HerO +1 melee started for Nestea spores started for Nestea stalkers finally back off 3 more gates for HerO
9:00 phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of Nestea phoenixes start killing overlords Spire started for Nestea another queen that spawns at the 3rd is killed another overlord picked off Hydralisk den for Nestea Void ray out for HerO
10:00 Hydras on the way for Nestea immortal production started for HerO phoenixes picking off more and more overlords 4th base started for Nestea Nestea has 0 creep tumors +1 flier attack started for Nestea 2 more gates for HerO HerO scouts the 4th of Nestea Robotics Bay finishes for HerO
11:00 +2 melee started for Nestea Colossus production started for HerO phoenixes pick off more overlords Extended thermal lance research for HerO 3rd base for HerO
12:00 +1 armor for HerO forward pylon going up for HerO near the 3rd of Nestea 12 mutas started for Nestea 1 phoenix is finally picked off by a spore twilight council for HerO
13:00 2nd forge for HerO HerO pushing around the bottom of the map 5th base started for Nestea single zealot attacking the 5th of Nestea Nestea sends some lings to save his 5th but the main army of HerO is there
14:00 5th base of Nestea is canceled HerO attacks the 4th of Nestea Nestea going for a counter attack with hydras and mutas spines started for Nestea in his natural phoenixes are killed off by mutas HerO is moving back home HerO's stalkers in the main are killed by mutas
15:00 zealots killing the 3rd of Nestea 19 mutas out for Nestea +2 flier attack started for Nestea mutas move to the 3rd of HerO and start killing probes HerO remaking phoenixes Nestea is 50 supply ahead
16:00 HerO putting up more cannons cybernetics core was killed and being rebuilt 3rd base being rebuilt for Nestea mutas fly back into the main phoenixes are trying to kite back but mutas just kill some probes and cannons ling runby to the 3rd of HerO is denied dark shrine for HerO
17:00 4th and 5th base rebuilt for Nestea blink research started for HerO Nestea moves into the 3rd of HerO with his muta ling army 1 colossu sis targeted own Nestea bounces to the natural
18:00 stalkers warp into the natural and Nestea flies into the main the mutas are finally chased away phoenix count is reduced to 2 +1 air carapace started for Nestea 2-2 started for HerO
19:00 DT moving across the map for HerO overseer and psines waiting for Nestea the DT gets away and moves to the 3rd DT kills the queen at Nestea's 3rd
20:00 DT harassing the 5th of Nestea baneling nest for Nestea (oh god here it comes) +1 carapace for Nestea HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea with his main army Nestea goes for a counterattack to the natural of herO ling muta attack at the natural of HerO pheonixes fly into the muta flock colossus taken out by mutas Hero sends his main army home
21:00 5th base of Nestea is killed off by a DT mutas chased out and lings cleaned up in the main and natural of HerO 5th base restarted for Nestea HerO putting up more cannons Hero pushing out with his main army again
22:00 4th base started for HerO HerO chases after the army of Nestea baneling speed started for Nestea +2 air carapace started for Nestea zealot runby at the 5th of Nestea Nestea has to cancel his 5th
23:00 HerO breaking down the center rocks 5th base restarted for Nestea mutas fly into the main of HerO templar archives for HerO HerO sends his main army home 3-3 started for herO templar archives canceled by mutas Templar archives restarted +2 carapace for Nestea
24:00 mutas fly to the 3rd of HerO and start killing cannons and probes mutas are pushed away Nestea throws away some lings in the middle of the map mutas come back intot he 3rd before cannons are rebuilt Mutas tryt o target downt he nexus but stalkers blink in Nestea tries to fight the stalkers with his mutas but he has to back off as more come in
25:00 storm research started for HerO 2nd muta flock flies intot he main and kills the templar archives mutas target down the main nexus of HerO infestation pit for Nestea
26:00 Tempar archives rebuilt for HerO 40 mutas out for Nestea storm research restarted for HerO
27:00 muta ling baneling attack at the 3rd of HerO 3rd nexus of HerO targeted down banelings run into stalkers because Nestea likes banelings Hive started for Nestea 10 more mutas on the way for Nestea mutas fighting stalkers in the main of HerO
28:00 storm finally finishes for HerO HTs are out for HerO 3rd base restarted for HerO 22 more banes on the way fo rNestea
29:00 mutas regroup and Nestea engages the army of HerO storm chases the mutas away mutas fly to the 3rd of HerO and force a cancel Nestea rolls banelings into the mineral line of HerO's 4th and kill all of the probes banelings blow up a cannon 3rd base of HerO canceled mutas fly intot he main of HerO and start killing stuff
30:00 Nestea is 50 supply ahead Nestea unpowering Hero's gateways HerO warping in some more HTs HerO going for the counterattack banelings run into HerO's army HerO has unpowered all of the gateways HerO pushing the 5th of Nestea
31:00 more banelings run into the army of HerO because why not? mutas harassing the 4th of HerO 4th nexus is targeted down and killed HerO down to 1 nexus that has no mining nearby Dark shrine is killed
32:00 5th base of Nestea was killed HerO pushing towards the 4th of Nestea more banelings for Nestea HerO long distance mining more and more banelings for Nestea 4th of HerO is canceled by mutas Templar archives destroyed HerO ggs! HerO falls to 0-2 Nestea wins and improves to 1-1!
On March 05 2013 14:41 ZenithM wrote: Btw, that looked like a typical 2011 PvZ. Stargate into 2 base colossus vs hydras, then mass mutas control the map threatening the base trade. Not bad at all :D
Not a bad way to end WoL PvZ(for me anyway). Muta base race, standard stuff. Better than a 40 minute GGLord WInfestor turtle fest. gg. Bad decisions on both sides though.
On March 05 2013 14:42 Disastorm wrote: Wow Nestea there with some of the best Muta play we've seen. I wonder how much better Nestea will be performing in HOTS with the buffed mutas.
On March 05 2013 14:41 ZenithM wrote: Btw, that looked like a typical 2011 PvZ. Stargate into 2 base colossus vs hydras, then zerg goes to mass mutas, controls the map, threatening the base trade. Not bad at all :D
It's a change from the normal I guess, terribe for me but that's my least favourite stye to watch of ZvP historicaly. Mutalisks are retarded against Protoss to watch. There's none of the diceyness you get vs Marines, where you can't screw up or you'll get shredded. Mutaling ZvT is sexy though, ofc
On March 05 2013 14:43 Shellshock1122 wrote: Did anyone else notice TL didn't even put a "HerO in the Up and Down Matches!" thing in the Liquid Team News section?
On March 05 2013 14:43 Seeker wrote: ..... wtf is going with HerO today?
1. No scout of Maru all in (Maru playing very well, of note). 2. Getting abused by mutas, largely due to slow blink and storm and some poor building placement.
On March 05 2013 14:43 Seeker wrote: ..... wtf is going with HerO today?
I wouldn't be surprised if the team environment at EGTL is pretty bad right now. Stephano also played pretty poorly yesterday, and was only saved by the fact that his group was ridiculously easy
On March 05 2013 14:43 Seeker wrote: ..... wtf is going with HerO today?
forgetting blink on stalkers is a common mistake. like, you know, sometimes, you're like, "this is the blink button," and instead you make another nexus next to mutas.
Dumping gas as he kept making phoenix without upgrading range, not getting a single HT when at 1.3k gas before his templar archive get sniped first time, not engaging perfectly vs IM "Baneling A Move" Nestea, Ya Hero deserve to be in code A
GSL S2 2013 Up and Down Matches Group C Maru (2-0) vs FanTaSy (2-0) Map: Bel'Shir Vestige
0:00 Maru spawns in the bottom right FanTaSy spawns in the top left
1:40 proxy 11-11 to the west of the natural from Maru
2:00 CC first on the low ground for FanTaSy scvs run into each other after the rax finishes but Fantasy doesnt check for the rax
3:00 2 rax on the way for Fantasy bunker started in the natural of Fantasy building scv in the natural of Fantasy is killed Maru pulls his scvs Fantasy pulls his scvs scvs everywhere bunker started in the main of Fantasy by both players right next to each other Fantasy loses most of his scvs
4:00 Fantasy ggs! Fantasy falls to 2-1 Maru improves to 3-0! KeeN falls to Code A
Wow, go to reddit for a few minutes so I can skip the boring macro part of TvT and get to the midgame positional battle goodness, and the game's already over...
On March 05 2013 14:54 jubil wrote: Wow, go to reddit for a few minutes so I can skip the boring macro part of TvT and get to the midgame positional battle goodness, and the game's already over...
Not only did you miss the TvT, but you also missed the PvZ
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
Scarlett and DeMusliM Code S Seed campaign begins today!
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
Hmm, this is probably a long shot. But Scarlett is coming to Korea on March 9, and there hasn't been a woman in GSL before...
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
I believe Scarlett on her stream a long time ago she had been offered a seed, maybe she will get one for this season with her going for GSTL
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
Scarlett and DeMusliM Code S Seed campaign begins today!
Not Demuslim, what will i do in the morning without his stream
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
Scarlett and DeMusliM Code S Seed campaign begins today!
Not Demuslim, what will i do in the morning without his stream
On March 05 2013 14:57 Zzoram wrote: Is there a wildcard this season for the 3rd place group finishers?
They haven't announced anything. After the 5 up and down groups only 30 spots for Code S will have been decided. No idea what they will do for the last 2
seed all the foreigners
Scarlett and DeMusliM Code S Seed campaign begins today!
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C KeeN (0-2) vs NesTea (1-1) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 KeeN spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for KeeN quick drone scout from Nestea sees the rax first drone harasses the building scv
2:00 Hatch first for Nestea pool for Nestea
3:00 CC on the low ground for KeeN double gas for KeeN Nestea scouts the CC with his overlord
4:00 factory for KeeN
5:00 reactor for KeeN double gas for Nestea bunker in the natural for KeeN Starport for KeeN
6:00 3rd hatch for Nestea tech lab for KeeN reactored hellion production started for KeeN ling speed started for Nestea double evo for Nestea
7:00 cloak and banshee started for KeeN baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea hellions moving out on the map for KeeN spine in the natural for Nestea hellions scout the 3rd of Nestea +1 melee started for Nestea
8:00 3rd CC started for KeeN stim research started for KeeN hellions microing against a queen and kills the creep spreading queen hellions drive intot he 3rd and start damaging another queen lings run in and kill off the hellions banshee flies in and finishes off the queen spores started for Nestea banshee killing drones at the 3rd of Nestea
9:00 double ebay ofr KeeN 2 more bunkers in the natural for KeeN Lair half way done for Nestea more banshees coming out for queen more spores for Nestea queen spawns and chases the banshee off 11 kills on the first banshee
10:00 3 more rax for KeeN 1-1 started for KeeN Baneling speed for Nestea spire for Nestea 2n banshee comes intot he 3rd and starts harassing the drones another CC started in the main of KeeN creep block at the 3rd of KeeN
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C KeeN (0-2) vs NesTea (1-1) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 KeeN spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for KeeN quick drone scout from Nestea sees the rax first drone harasses the building scv
2:00 Hatch first for Nestea pool for Nestea
3:00 CC on the low ground for KeeN double gas for KeeN Nestea scouts the CC with his overlord
4:00 factory for KeeN
5:00 reactor for KeeN double gas for Nestea bunker in the natural for KeeN Starport for KeeN
6:00 3rd hatch for Nestea tech lab for KeeN reactored hellion production started for KeeN ling speed started for Nestea double evo for Nestea
7:00 cloak and banshee started for KeeN baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea hellions moving out on the map for KeeN spine in the natural for Nestea hellions scout the 3rd of Nestea +1 melee started for Nestea
8:00 3rd CC started for KeeN stim research started for KeeN hellions microing against a queen and kills the creep spreading queen hellions drive intot he 3rd and start damaging another queen lings run in and kill off the hellions banshee flies in and finishes off the queen spores started for Nestea banshee killing drones at the 3rd of Nestea
9:00 double ebay ofr KeeN 2 more bunkers in the natural for KeeN Lair half way done for Nestea more banshees coming out for queen more spores for Nestea queen spawns and chases the banshee off 11 kills on the first banshee
10:00 3 more rax for KeeN 1-1 started for KeeN Baneling speed for Nestea spire for Nestea 2n banshee comes intot he 3rd and starts harassing the drones another CC started in the main of KeeN creep block at the 3rd of KeeN
11:00 2-2 started for Nestea double medivac production for KeeN KeeN takes his 3rd base macro hatch for Nestea 2 more rax for KeeN banshee killing some creep tumors
12:00 combat shields for KeeN siege mode research and siege tanks started for KeeN armory for KeeN +1 flier attack for Nestea mutas on the way for Nestea missile turrets started for KeeN
13:00 4th base started for nestea banshee picked off by mutas viking harassing overlords is killed by mutas marines cleaning up creep 2nd factory for KeeN 2-2 started for KeeN sensor tower for KeeN
14:00 more missile turrets going up for KeeN 5th base started in the bottom right for Nestea banshee starts attacking the building 5th but mutas finish kill the banshee infestation pit for Nestea Keen cleaning up more creep with some marines
15:00 Nsetea goes for a small attack at the natural of KeeN but is easily denied Hive started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea Nestea loses a bunch of banelings for not much
Why did Nestea stop using baneling landmines? I feel like they would help him with this style since he lacks the mechanics to really utilize it perfectly.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C KeeN (0-2) vs NesTea (1-1) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 KeeN spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for KeeN quick drone scout from Nestea sees the rax first drone harasses the building scv
2:00 Hatch first for Nestea pool for Nestea
3:00 CC on the low ground for KeeN double gas for KeeN Nestea scouts the CC with his overlord
4:00 factory for KeeN
5:00 reactor for KeeN double gas for Nestea bunker in the natural for KeeN Starport for KeeN
6:00 3rd hatch for Nestea tech lab for KeeN reactored hellion production started for KeeN ling speed started for Nestea double evo for Nestea
7:00 cloak and banshee started for KeeN baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea hellions moving out on the map for KeeN spine in the natural for Nestea hellions scout the 3rd of Nestea +1 melee started for Nestea
8:00 3rd CC started for KeeN stim research started for KeeN hellions microing against a queen and kills the creep spreading queen hellions drive intot he 3rd and start damaging another queen lings run in and kill off the hellions banshee flies in and finishes off the queen spores started for Nestea banshee killing drones at the 3rd of Nestea
9:00 double ebay ofr KeeN 2 more bunkers in the natural for KeeN Lair half way done for Nestea more banshees coming out for queen more spores for Nestea queen spawns and chases the banshee off 11 kills on the first banshee
10:00 3 more rax for KeeN 1-1 started for KeeN Baneling speed for Nestea spire for Nestea 2n banshee comes intot he 3rd and starts harassing the drones another CC started in the main of KeeN creep block at the 3rd of KeeN
11:00 2-2 started for Nestea double medivac production for KeeN KeeN takes his 3rd base macro hatch for Nestea 2 more rax for KeeN banshee killing some creep tumors
12:00 combat shields for KeeN siege mode research and siege tanks started for KeeN armory for KeeN +1 flier attack for Nestea mutas on the way for Nestea missile turrets started for KeeN
13:00 4th base started for nestea banshee picked off by mutas viking harassing overlords is killed by mutas marines cleaning up creep 2nd factory for KeeN 2-2 started for KeeN sensor tower for KeeN
14:00 more missile turrets going up for KeeN 5th base started in the bottom right for Nestea banshee starts attacking the building 5th but mutas finish kill the banshee infestation pit for Nestea Keen cleaning up more creep with some marines
15:00 Nsetea goes for a small attack at the natural of KeeN but is easily denied Hive started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea Nestea loses a bunch of banelings for not much
16:00 2 more CCs for KeeN 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea again Nestea is out of position 6th base started for Nestea in the top left marines kill the 4th of Nestea
17:00 KeeN scouts the building 6th Nestea going for a counter attack but KeeN has tanks at home 3-3 started for KeeN Nestea sends his ling muta bane force to attack KeeN but KeeN is able to push it back KeeN takes a 20 supply lead 5th base was killed and is restarted for Nestea 3-3 started for Nestea
18:00 Nestea cancels his 6th Ultralisk cavern started for Nestea KeeN floating out his 4th CC KeeN cleaning up more creep at the bottom of the map 5th of Nestea is killed 4th base being rebuilt for Nestea Nestea moving around the top of the map towards the 3rd of KeeN KeeN's wall is down at his 3rd but KeeN is able to push back the attack
19:00 drop of KeeN is found and killed off PF started at the 4th of KeeN missile turrets going up at the 4th of KeeN chitinous plating for Nestea ultras started for nestea concussive shells for KeeN Marauder production started for KeeN +2 vehicle weapons started for KeeN
20:00 KeeN sacking scvs another CC for KeeN Greater spire started for Nestea Nsetea forces a cancel on the building CC near KeeN's 4th with his mutas
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C KeeN (0-2) vs NesTea (1-1) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 KeeN spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for KeeN quick drone scout from Nestea sees the rax first drone harasses the building scv
2:00 Hatch first for Nestea pool for Nestea
3:00 CC on the low ground for KeeN double gas for KeeN Nestea scouts the CC with his overlord
4:00 factory for KeeN
5:00 reactor for KeeN double gas for Nestea bunker in the natural for KeeN Starport for KeeN
6:00 3rd hatch for Nestea tech lab for KeeN reactored hellion production started for KeeN ling speed started for Nestea double evo for Nestea
7:00 cloak and banshee started for KeeN baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea hellions moving out on the map for KeeN spine in the natural for Nestea hellions scout the 3rd of Nestea +1 melee started for Nestea
8:00 3rd CC started for KeeN stim research started for KeeN hellions microing against a queen and kills the creep spreading queen hellions drive intot he 3rd and start damaging another queen lings run in and kill off the hellions banshee flies in and finishes off the queen spores started for Nestea banshee killing drones at the 3rd of Nestea
9:00 double ebay ofr KeeN 2 more bunkers in the natural for KeeN Lair half way done for Nestea more banshees coming out for queen more spores for Nestea queen spawns and chases the banshee off 11 kills on the first banshee
10:00 3 more rax for KeeN 1-1 started for KeeN Baneling speed for Nestea spire for Nestea 2n banshee comes intot he 3rd and starts harassing the drones another CC started in the main of KeeN creep block at the 3rd of KeeN
11:00 2-2 started for Nestea double medivac production for KeeN KeeN takes his 3rd base macro hatch for Nestea 2 more rax for KeeN banshee killing some creep tumors
12:00 combat shields for KeeN siege mode research and siege tanks started for KeeN armory for KeeN +1 flier attack for Nestea mutas on the way for Nestea missile turrets started for KeeN
13:00 4th base started for nestea banshee picked off by mutas viking harassing overlords is killed by mutas marines cleaning up creep 2nd factory for KeeN 2-2 started for KeeN sensor tower for KeeN
14:00 more missile turrets going up for KeeN 5th base started in the bottom right for Nestea banshee starts attacking the building 5th but mutas finish kill the banshee infestation pit for Nestea Keen cleaning up more creep with some marines
15:00 Nsetea goes for a small attack at the natural of KeeN but is easily denied Hive started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea Nestea loses a bunch of banelings for not much
16:00 2 more CCs for KeeN 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea again Nestea is out of position 6th base started for Nestea in the top left marines kill the 4th of Nestea
17:00 KeeN scouts the building 6th Nestea going for a counter attack but KeeN has tanks at home 3-3 started for KeeN Nestea sends his ling muta bane force to attack KeeN but KeeN is able to push it back KeeN takes a 20 supply lead 5th base was killed and is restarted for Nestea 3-3 started for Nestea
18:00 Nestea cancels his 6th Ultralisk cavern started for Nestea KeeN floating out his 4th CC KeeN cleaning up more creep at the bottom of the map 5th of Nestea is killed 4th base being rebuilt for Nestea Nestea moving around the top of the map towards the 3rd of KeeN KeeN's wall is down at his 3rd but KeeN is able to push back the attack
19:00 drop of KeeN is found and killed off PF started at the 4th of KeeN missile turrets going up at the 4th of KeeN chitinous plating for Nestea ultras started for nestea concussive shells for KeeN Marauder production started for KeeN +2 vehicle weapons started for KeeN
20:00 KeeN sacking scvs another CC for KeeN Greater spire started for Nestea Nsetea forces a cancel on the building CC near KeeN's 4th with his mutas
21:00 drop at the 4th of Nestea before the spines can finish building armor for KeeN auto tracking for KeeN adrenal glands for Nestea drop at the 4th is cleaned up Nsetea tries to engage the army of KeeN but takes a bunch of siege fire KeeN pushing the 4th of Nestea
22:00 4th base of Nestea is killed drop near the 3rd of Nestea is forced to lift by ultras +2 air attack started for nestea 3 more starports for KeeN 2nd armory for KeeN bottom right hatchery restarted for Nestea drones ling distance mining being killed ultra bane muta army engages KeeN Keen wasnt sieged right away Ultras break through the siege ling
23:00 Nestea attacks the 4th of KeeN ultras killing the PF KeeN loses his 4th +1 ship weapons for KeeN corruptor production started for Nestea
24:00 KeeN scouts the bottom right hatch engagement in the bottom right of the map Ultras finally starting to fall because a bunch were low in health ultras are being pushed back only 3 ultras left
25:00 KeeN stims after the ultras and takes a 50 supply lead KeeN attacks into the 3rd of Nestea 3 brood lords started for Nestea 3rd base of Nestea is killed
sigh neither keen or nestea really deserve to go to code S with this level of play shown Hope they get better in HotS...they gonna have to if they want to have any chance
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C KeeN (0-2) vs NesTea (1-1) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 KeeN spawns in the top right NesTea spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for KeeN quick drone scout from Nestea sees the rax first drone harasses the building scv
2:00 Hatch first for Nestea pool for Nestea
3:00 CC on the low ground for KeeN double gas for KeeN Nestea scouts the CC with his overlord
4:00 factory for KeeN
5:00 reactor for KeeN double gas for Nestea bunker in the natural for KeeN Starport for KeeN
6:00 3rd hatch for Nestea tech lab for KeeN reactored hellion production started for KeeN ling speed started for Nestea double evo for Nestea
7:00 cloak and banshee started for KeeN baneling nest for Nestea 2 more gas for Nestea +1 carapace for Nestea hellions moving out on the map for KeeN spine in the natural for Nestea hellions scout the 3rd of Nestea +1 melee started for Nestea
8:00 3rd CC started for KeeN stim research started for KeeN hellions microing against a queen and kills the creep spreading queen hellions drive intot he 3rd and start damaging another queen lings run in and kill off the hellions banshee flies in and finishes off the queen spores started for Nestea banshee killing drones at the 3rd of Nestea
9:00 double ebay ofr KeeN 2 more bunkers in the natural for KeeN Lair half way done for Nestea more banshees coming out for queen more spores for Nestea queen spawns and chases the banshee off 11 kills on the first banshee
10:00 3 more rax for KeeN 1-1 started for KeeN Baneling speed for Nestea spire for Nestea 2n banshee comes intot he 3rd and starts harassing the drones another CC started in the main of KeeN creep block at the 3rd of KeeN
11:00 2-2 started for Nestea double medivac production for KeeN KeeN takes his 3rd base macro hatch for Nestea 2 more rax for KeeN banshee killing some creep tumors
12:00 combat shields for KeeN siege mode research and siege tanks started for KeeN armory for KeeN +1 flier attack for Nestea mutas on the way for Nestea missile turrets started for KeeN
13:00 4th base started for nestea banshee picked off by mutas viking harassing overlords is killed by mutas marines cleaning up creep 2nd factory for KeeN 2-2 started for KeeN sensor tower for KeeN
14:00 more missile turrets going up for KeeN 5th base started in the bottom right for Nestea banshee starts attacking the building 5th but mutas finish kill the banshee infestation pit for Nestea Keen cleaning up more creep with some marines
15:00 Nsetea goes for a small attack at the natural of KeeN but is easily denied Hive started for Nestea +1 vehicle weapons started for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea Nestea loses a bunch of banelings for not much
16:00 2 more CCs for KeeN 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN pushing out towards the 4th of Nestea again Nestea is out of position 6th base started for Nestea in the top left marines kill the 4th of Nestea
17:00 KeeN scouts the building 6th Nestea going for a counter attack but KeeN has tanks at home 3-3 started for KeeN Nestea sends his ling muta bane force to attack KeeN but KeeN is able to push it back KeeN takes a 20 supply lead 5th base was killed and is restarted for Nestea 3-3 started for Nestea
18:00 Nestea cancels his 6th Ultralisk cavern started for Nestea KeeN floating out his 4th CC KeeN cleaning up more creep at the bottom of the map 5th of Nestea is killed 4th base being rebuilt for Nestea Nestea moving around the top of the map towards the 3rd of KeeN KeeN's wall is down at his 3rd but KeeN is able to push back the attack
19:00 drop of KeeN is found and killed off PF started at the 4th of KeeN missile turrets going up at the 4th of KeeN chitinous plating for Nestea ultras started for nestea concussive shells for KeeN Marauder production started for KeeN +2 vehicle weapons started for KeeN
20:00 KeeN sacking scvs another CC for KeeN Greater spire started for Nestea Nsetea forces a cancel on the building CC near KeeN's 4th with his mutas
21:00 drop at the 4th of Nestea before the spines can finish building armor for KeeN auto tracking for KeeN adrenal glands for Nestea drop at the 4th is cleaned up Nsetea tries to engage the army of KeeN but takes a bunch of siege fire KeeN pushing the 4th of Nestea
22:00 4th base of Nestea is killed drop near the 3rd of Nestea is forced to lift by ultras +2 air attack started for nestea 3 more starports for KeeN 2nd armory for KeeN bottom right hatchery restarted for Nestea drones ling distance mining being killed ultra bane muta army engages KeeN Keen wasnt sieged right away Ultras break through the siege ling
23:00 Nestea attacks the 4th of KeeN ultras killing the PF KeeN loses his 4th +1 ship weapons for KeeN corruptor production started for Nestea
24:00 KeeN scouts the bottom right hatch engagement in the bottom right of the map Ultras finally starting to fall because a bunch were low in health ultras are being pushed back only 3 ultras left
25:00 KeeN stims after the ultras and takes a 50 supply lead KeeN attacks into the 3rd of Nestea 3 brood lords started for Nestea 3rd base of Nestea is killed
26:00 2nd army of KeeN kills the bottom right hatch of Nestea Nestea restarting his 4th KeeN starting 6 vikings at a time to fight the brood lords more corruptors coming out for Nestea KeeN is ahead by 90 supply KeeN taking the gold base
27:00 +2 ship weapons started for KeeN +1 ship armor started for KeeN PF started at KeeN's gold base KeeN pushing towards the rebuilt 4th of Nestea vikings kill all of the brood lords in seconds Ultras and killed easily Nestea ggs! NesTea falls to 1-2 KeeN improves to 1-2! Maru clinches Code S!
On March 05 2013 15:16 goldspoon wrote: sigh neither keen or nestea really deserve to go to code S with this level of play shown Hope they get better in HotS...they gonna have to if they want to have any chance
KeeN has played a strong game, he's not going to code S anyway.
the former dullard turned insightful commentator Wolf gives us a keen observation about the orbital command play by MVPKeen, the army positioning and overall strategy was enabled by this play and i for one owe him a debt of gratitude for pointing this out. WP keen.
On March 05 2013 15:17 Orek wrote: Make infestor = winfestor OP Not make infestor = lolol he is so bad
For whatever reason, Nestea chooses the latter. I don't know why.
Seems like Nestea almost consciously avoided making infestors, which I think is quite questionable, especially when you can't make your mutas work. I mean, is it even worth it to build broods if you don't have infestors to support/defend them?
Nestea not getting ezpz group in up and downs anymore how he wished to have huk in this group hahaha so he can get away with his sloppy play...Why embarass yourself when already established yourself in the sc2 scene and earned respect throughout eSF...just be a team manager or coach like Boxer
On March 05 2013 15:21 goldspoon wrote: Nestea not getting ezpz group in up and downs anymore how he wished to have huk in this group hahaha so he can get away with his sloppy play...Why embarass yourself when already established yourself in the sc2 scene and earned respect throughout eSF...just be a team manager or coach like Boxer
Yeah dude, if I were an older fringe Code S player, I would totally quit too....
Inc Nestea collapse 20 baneling into a thor again and donate hive units...Maru is not the kind of player to let you get away with that so i guess he is basically out already
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-2) vs FanTaSy (2-1) Map: Bel'Shir Vestige
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left FanTaSy spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO CC on the low ground for FanTaSy rax for Fantasy probe scout sees CC first
3:00 gas for Fantasy out of vision of the probe HerO jukes and gets back into the base and sees the gas for Fantasy HerO stops mining gas and makes a Nexus Cybernetics core for HerO
4:00 bunker in the natural for Fantasy 2nd gas for Hero factory for Fantasy 2nd gas for Fantasy stalker for HerO
5:00 stargate for HerO Starport for Fantasy 2 more gates for HerO reactored hellion production started for Fantasy
On March 05 2013 15:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL players on a 10 match loss streak in Korea? TaeJa lost 4 in a row to RorO, 0-4 in proleague after that, 0-2 for HerO here?
If hero wins both his games and maru wins, maru and hero advance. If hero wins both and maru loses. Maru and fantasy advance. Like in any other case right?
On March 05 2013 15:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL players on a 10 match loss streak in Korea? TaeJa lost 4 in a row to RorO, 0-4 in proleague after that, 0-2 for HerO here?
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-2) vs FanTaSy (2-1) Map: Bel'Shir Vestige
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left FanTaSy spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO CC on the low ground for FanTaSy rax for Fantasy probe scout sees CC first
3:00 gas for Fantasy out of vision of the probe HerO jukes and gets back into the base and sees the gas for Fantasy HerO stops mining gas and makes a Nexus Cybernetics core for HerO
4:00 bunker in the natural for Fantasy 2nd gas for Hero factory for Fantasy 2nd gas for Fantasy stalker for HerO
5:00 stargate for HerO Starport for Fantasy 2 more gates for HerO reactored hellion production started for Fantasy
6:00 2 more gas for HerO HerO sees the hellions moving across the map and pulls all of his probes back into the main banshee and cloak started for fantasy phoenix production started for HerO
7:00 1 probe is killed for 1 helion 2 hellions get into the main phoenixes are revealed for 1 to lift a hellion ebay for Fantasy Hellions are cleaned up in the main
8:00 stim research started for Fantasy a few more hellions come into the natural and kill some probes missile turrets started for Fantasy 2 more rax for Fantasy forge for HerO cloak finishes and the banshee moves intot he main Banshee starts killing probes hellions try to get into the natural HerO trying to wall off with pylons probes are trapped in the natural with hellions
9:00 30 probes already dead more dying 2nd ebay for Fantasy HerO down to 19 probes Fantasy up 28 workers 2 bunkers in the natural for Fantasy 3rd CC started for Fantasy HerO going for a counter attack
10:00 1-1 started for Fantasy phoenixes harassing scvs tryihng to build stuff Fantasy has 6 marines and a marauder out all the marines go into the main to chase the phoenixes
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-2) vs FanTaSy (2-1) Map: Bel'Shir Vestige
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left FanTaSy spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO CC on the low ground for FanTaSy rax for Fantasy probe scout sees CC first
3:00 gas for Fantasy out of vision of the probe HerO jukes and gets back into the base and sees the gas for Fantasy HerO stops mining gas and makes a Nexus Cybernetics core for HerO
4:00 bunker in the natural for Fantasy 2nd gas for Hero factory for Fantasy 2nd gas for Fantasy stalker for HerO
5:00 stargate for HerO Starport for Fantasy 2 more gates for HerO reactored hellion production started for Fantasy
6:00 2 more gas for HerO HerO sees the hellions moving across the map and pulls all of his probes back into the main banshee and cloak started for fantasy phoenix production started for HerO
7:00 1 probe is killed for 1 helion 2 hellions get into the main phoenixes are revealed for 1 to lift a hellion ebay for Fantasy Hellions are cleaned up in the main
8:00 stim research started for Fantasy a few more hellions come into the natural and kill some probes missile turrets started for Fantasy 2 more rax for Fantasy forge for HerO cloak finishes and the banshee moves intot he main Banshee starts killing probes hellions try to get into the natural HerO trying to wall off with pylons probes are trapped in the natural with hellions
9:00 30 probes already dead more dying 2nd ebay for Fantasy HerO down to 19 probes Fantasy up 28 workers 2 bunkers in the natural for Fantasy 3rd CC started for Fantasy HerO going for a counter attack
10:00 1-1 started for Fantasy phoenixes harassing scvs tryihng to build stuff Fantasy has 6 marines and a marauder out all the marines go into the main to chase the phoenixes
11:00 HerO attacks at the front 1 bunker falls but Fantasy gets units in the other 2 scvs are repairing the bunkers back up HerO goes in for another attack 2nd bunker falls another bunker building 2 medivacs out for Fantasy
12:00 stim finishes for Fantasy 2 bunkers done for Fantasy now another rax on the way for Fantasy combat shields finishes for Fantasy concussive shells started for Fantasy HerO goes for another attack forcefield on the bunkers missile turrets kill the phoenixes
13:00 HerO loses everything HerO ggs! HerO falls to 0-3 HerO falls to Code A NesTea falls to Code A Fantasy wins and improves to 3-1! Fantasy advances to Code S!
On March 05 2013 15:29 Bagration wrote: Congrats to Fantasy. First snapping his losing streak against Taeja in PL, and now advancing to Code S by beating Hero.
He's had a good last few days, nice to see for sure.
EG-TL situation is so bad, it has the moral at an all time low in the house, The players are playing terrible. Even stephano isnt looking as impressive anymore, Look at HERO, looked god awful today..
Shine is the Jackie Robinson for KeSPA players. No KeSPA players made it through Up&Downs, until Shine broke down that barrier! And the very next night, Fanta comes through too! Looking forward to celebrating March 3rd, 2014 as "Shine Day."
On March 05 2013 15:29 Hall0wed wrote: Wow I haven't been watching any proleague, when did Hero get this bad? Must have been full time HotS like I assume most of EG-TL was.
Interviews indicate Hero has been playing HOTS since his last like 2 or 3 proleague matches ago. It was a winners match with someone who beat Hero.
On March 05 2013 15:31 goldspoon wrote: Hero should not have lost to Nestea With the state of Nestea at the moment and Hero's spetacular PvZ history it just should not have occured.
On March 05 2013 15:31 goldspoon wrote: Hero should not have lost to Nestea With the state of Nestea at the moment and Hero's spetacular PvZ history it just should not have occured.
Hero does not have a spectacular PvZ history.
He was at one point one of the most notable PvZ specialists, gradualy fell off though of course.
On March 05 2013 15:33 Fenrax wrote: I can't believe Fantasy built / didn't cancel the third Command Center after this amount of damage. That was so incredibly bad.
It was his plan to make it into a planetary to secure the win
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (3-0) vs NesTea (1-2) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the top left NesTea spawns in the bottom right
1:40 11-12 proxy rax on the high ground above the 3rd from Maru pool first for Nestea gas for Nestea
2:00 Nestea knows Maru cancels 2nd rax
3:00 ling speed started for Nestea CC started on the high ground to wall off the main ramp for Maru rax at home for Maru
4:00 Nestea goes to check the original rax building location but sees that they have been canceled/floating home hatch for Nestea 2nd rax at home for Maru original rax floating back
5:00 Maru scouts the natural hatch of Nestea 3rd CC started for Maru inside his main Nestea scouts the main wall off of Maru
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (3-0) vs NesTea (1-2) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the top left NesTea spawns in the bottom right
1:40 11-12 proxy rax on the high ground above the 3rd from Maru pool first for Nestea gas for Nestea
2:00 Nestea knows Maru cancels 2nd rax
3:00 ling speed started for Nestea CC started on the high ground to wall off the main ramp for Maru rax at home for Maru
4:00 Nestea goes to check the original rax building location but sees that they have been canceled/floating home hatch for Nestea 2nd rax at home for Maru original rax floating back
5:00 Maru scouts the natural hatch of Nestea 3rd CC started for Maru inside his main Nestea scouts the main wall off of Maru
6:00 double gas for Maru 2nd gas for Nestea Lair for Nestea bunker in the natural for Maru Maru floats out his natural OC 2 more gas for Nestea "I dont think we are going to see mutas" - Wolf I think he forgot who he was casting
7:00 stim research started for Maru spire started for Nestea 3rd gas for Maru baneling nest for Nestea
8:00 ebay for Maru Factory for Maru +1 attack for Maru baneling speed for Nestea
9:00 2nd ebay for Maru Mutas started for Nestea missile turrets going up for Maru Starport for Maru +1 armor for Maru
10:00 Nestea making a bunch of lings 14 banes started for Nestea combat shields started for Maru mutas try to find an opening in the main but are denied mutas are chased out of the natural more banes on the way for Nestea double medivac production for Maru
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C Maru (3-0) vs NesTea (1-2) Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Maru spawns in the top left NesTea spawns in the bottom right
1:40 11-12 proxy rax on the high ground above the 3rd from Maru pool first for Nestea gas for Nestea
2:00 Nestea knows Maru cancels 2nd rax
3:00 ling speed started for Nestea CC started on the high ground to wall off the main ramp for Maru rax at home for Maru
4:00 Nestea goes to check the original rax building location but sees that they have been canceled/floating home hatch for Nestea 2nd rax at home for Maru original rax floating back
5:00 Maru scouts the natural hatch of Nestea 3rd CC started for Maru inside his main Nestea scouts the main wall off of Maru
6:00 double gas for Maru 2nd gas for Nestea Lair for Nestea bunker in the natural for Maru Maru floats out his natural OC 2 more gas for Nestea "I dont think we are going to see mutas" - Wolf I think he forgot who he was casting
7:00 stim research started for Maru spire started for Nestea 3rd gas for Maru baneling nest for Nestea
8:00 ebay for Maru Factory for Maru +1 attack for Maru baneling speed for Nestea
9:00 2nd ebay for Maru Mutas started for Nestea missile turrets going up for Maru Starport for Maru +1 armor for Maru
10:00 Nestea making a bunch of lings 14 banes started for Nestea combat shields started for Maru mutas try to find an opening in the main but are denied mutas are chased out of the natural more banes on the way for Nestea double medivac production for Maru
11:00 Nestea attacks into the natural and main fo Maru Maru splitting against the banes but he doesnt have enough stuff Nestea cleans up the army of Maru armory on the way for Maru combat shields is canceled more banes morphing in the main of Maru Maru doesnt have enough marinest o fight the mutas that are left more lings run in Maru ggs! Nestea wins and improves to 2-2!
On March 05 2013 15:34 BigFan wrote: how did Fantasy beat Keen? I figured Keen was the favourite?
11/11
:O How does 11/11 work in TvT? lol. Always thought it was a TvZ/TvP build
Both times, it was against a CC first. Build order win
both times? you mean against Nestea and Keen?
It's pretty funny, Fantasy used it against Keen, then Maru used it against Fantasy.
Fantasy's first 2 games were both proxy 2 raxes against Keen and Nestea, and he won both games. Maru also proxy 2 raxed Fantasy, and attempted to do so to Nestea but cancelled upon seeing gas.
On March 05 2013 15:41 goldspoon wrote: Why do people try to cheese someone known to deflect all in well but is extremely bad at multitasking and late game management?
On March 05 2013 15:41 goldspoon wrote: Why do people try to cheese someone known to deflect all in well but is extremely bad at multitasking and late game management?
Because they already qualified and want to go home and celebrate?
On March 05 2013 15:41 goldspoon wrote: Why do people try to cheese someone known to deflect all in well but is extremely bad at multitasking and late game management?
Cuz its Maru
This, plus the game doesn't matter too much to him anyways.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
On March 05 2013 15:42 zenkicker wrote: So if Keen wins he'll get the Wild Card?
He'll be 3rd in the group, so if there is a final spot to be filled, the 3rd place winners from the U and D groups play for that seed, so there is still a very slim chance Keen makes it.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-3) vs KeeN (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for KeeN gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO quick wall off for KeeN Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 zealot for HerO CC on the high ground for KeeN stalker for HerO
4:00 2 more rax for KeeN double gas for KeeN
5:00 zealot stalker pressure at hte main ramp of KeeN bunker started at the main ramp of KeeN zealot rying to break through the depot wall zealot is killed before the depot falls KeeN repairs the depot 2nd gas for HerO tech lab for KeeN
On March 05 2013 15:42 zenkicker wrote: So if Keen wins he'll get the Wild Card?
He'll be 3rd in the group, so if there is a final spot to be filled, the 3rd place winners from the U and D groups play for that seed, so there is still a very slim chance Keen makes it.
Right now it would be Lure, EffOrt, and KeeN/ NesTea for the wildcard group
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Of course. I don't think she's up to the level yet, even if she prepares extensively with the Axiom guys. But just being in Code S is an achievement for many.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Of course. I don't think she's up to the level yet, even if she prepares extensively with the Axiom guys. But just being in Code S is an achievement for many.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Of course. I don't think she's up to the level yet, even if she prepares extensively with the Axiom guys. But just being in Code S is an achievement for many.
Top 24 (32?) world wide is a huge achievement
I think it depends if you got there from code b or a seed.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Of course. I don't think she's up to the level yet, even if she prepares extensively with the Axiom guys. But just being in Code S is an achievement for many.
Top 24 (32?) world wide is a huge achievement
If you get a seed you aren't actually a top 32 player
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-3) vs KeeN (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for KeeN gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO quick wall off for KeeN Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 zealot for HerO CC on the high ground for KeeN stalker for HerO
4:00 2 more rax for KeeN double gas for KeeN
5:00 zealot stalker pressure at hte main ramp of KeeN bunker started at the main ramp of KeeN zealot rying to break through the depot wall zealot is killed before the depot falls KeeN repairs the depot 2nd gas for HerO tech lab for KeeN
6:00 2 more gates for herO robo for HerO stim research for KeeN marauder production started for KeeN bunker in the natural for KeeN
7:00 forge for HerO combat shields for KeeN 2 more gas for HerO
8:00 observer for HerO +1 armor for HerO 3rd gas for KeeN factory for KeeN
9:00 Robotics bay for HerO concussive shells for KeeN Hero move commands his stalkers into the marine marauder force of KeeN KeeN moving across the map 2 cannons started for HerO KeeN breaking down the rocks to the natural ramp of HerO after HerO forcefields KeeN splits his army to have half comes around from the 3rd KeeN stims in and picks off a sentry
10:00 immortal of HerO is picked off instantly +1 attack started for KeeN Colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for KeeN cannons help HerO hold and KeeN backs off
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
While foreigners haven't exactly done extremely well, "annihilated" isn't the word I would use to describe 2011 Huk and Jinro, 2012 Naniwa, and currently as yet to be seen Stephano (3rd place in Ro32 - remember that would have been enough to keep him in code S in 2011 iirc)
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
But she'll be living and probably practicing with Miya, the god of Zerg! :p
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-3) vs KeeN (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for KeeN gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO quick wall off for KeeN Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 zealot for HerO CC on the high ground for KeeN stalker for HerO
4:00 2 more rax for KeeN double gas for KeeN
5:00 zealot stalker pressure at hte main ramp of KeeN bunker started at the main ramp of KeeN zealot rying to break through the depot wall zealot is killed before the depot falls KeeN repairs the depot 2nd gas for HerO tech lab for KeeN
6:00 2 more gates for herO robo for HerO stim research for KeeN marauder production started for KeeN bunker in the natural for KeeN
7:00 forge for HerO combat shields for KeeN 2 more gas for HerO
8:00 observer for HerO +1 armor for HerO 3rd gas for KeeN factory for KeeN
9:00 Robotics bay for HerO concussive shells for KeeN Hero move commands his stalkers into the marine marauder force of KeeN KeeN moving across the map 2 cannons started for HerO KeeN breaking down the rocks to the natural ramp of HerO after HerO forcefields KeeN splits his army to have half comes around from the 3rd KeeN stims in and picks off a sentry
10:00 immortal of HerO is picked off instantly +1 attack started for KeeN Colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for KeeN cannons help HerO hold and KeeN backs off
11:00 3 more gates for HerO 3rd CC for KeeN Twilight council for herO +1 attack for HerO 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN moving across the map again with his first 2 medivacs
12:00 3rd base of HerO denied by a marine killing the probe Templar archives for HerO viking production started for KeeN 2nd ebay and armory for KeeN 2nd starport for KeeN +2 armor for HerO
13:00 storm research started for HerO KeeN loads up his whole army into medivacs except a few marauders that stim into the natural observer sees the medivacs coming in and HerO warps in units in the main to deny the drop KeeN backs off +2 attack and +1 armor started for KeeN ghost academy for KeeN after seeing HTs
14:00 3 more gates for HerO warp prism for HerO 3rd base finishing up for HerO KeeN has landed his 3rd base now and is taking gas from it moebius reactor for KeeN ghost production started for KeeN charge research started for HerO 2nd forge for HerO
15:00 HerO making more immortals forward pylon of HerO is scoute dand taken out HerO moving across the map another gate for HerO +2 attack for HerO
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Actually forgot Mana who plowed through his UnD. And recent result would only be Pano making it back to Code S !
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-3) vs KeeN (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for KeeN gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO quick wall off for KeeN Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 zealot for HerO CC on the high ground for KeeN stalker for HerO
4:00 2 more rax for KeeN double gas for KeeN
5:00 zealot stalker pressure at hte main ramp of KeeN bunker started at the main ramp of KeeN zealot rying to break through the depot wall zealot is killed before the depot falls KeeN repairs the depot 2nd gas for HerO tech lab for KeeN
6:00 2 more gates for herO robo for HerO stim research for KeeN marauder production started for KeeN bunker in the natural for KeeN
7:00 forge for HerO combat shields for KeeN 2 more gas for HerO
8:00 observer for HerO +1 armor for HerO 3rd gas for KeeN factory for KeeN
9:00 Robotics bay for HerO concussive shells for KeeN Hero move commands his stalkers into the marine marauder force of KeeN KeeN moving across the map 2 cannons started for HerO KeeN breaking down the rocks to the natural ramp of HerO after HerO forcefields KeeN splits his army to have half comes around from the 3rd KeeN stims in and picks off a sentry
10:00 immortal of HerO is picked off instantly +1 attack started for KeeN Colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for KeeN cannons help HerO hold and KeeN backs off
11:00 3 more gates for HerO 3rd CC for KeeN Twilight council for herO +1 attack for HerO 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN moving across the map again with his first 2 medivacs
12:00 3rd base of HerO denied by a marine killing the probe Templar archives for HerO viking production started for KeeN 2nd ebay and armory for KeeN 2nd starport for KeeN +2 armor for HerO
13:00 storm research started for HerO KeeN loads up his whole army into medivacs except a few marauders that stim into the natural observer sees the medivacs coming in and HerO warps in units in the main to deny the drop KeeN backs off +2 attack and +1 armor started for KeeN ghost academy for KeeN after seeing HTs
14:00 3 more gates for HerO warp prism for HerO 3rd base finishing up for HerO KeeN has landed his 3rd base now and is taking gas from it moebius reactor for KeeN ghost production started for KeeN charge research started for HerO 2nd forge for HerO
15:00 HerO making more immortals forward pylon of HerO is scoute dand taken out HerO moving across the map another gate for HerO +2 attack for HerO
16:00 warp prism of HerO has 2 zealots and 2 HTs in it storm drop in the natural of KeeN KeeN reacts slowly and takes a lot of damage
17:00 warp prism is killed off by vikings HerO moving up the natural ramp but Keen is ready so he backs off Extended thermal lance research started for HerO +3 armor started for HerO ghost drop emps some of the HTs storm of HerO completely misses HerO retreating KeeN chasing after HerO
18:00 storm hits some ofthe bio of KeeN emp on a couple of HTs HTs sniped KeeN attacking into the 3rd of HerO Hero flanking with a group of zealots KeeN is able to kite back more emps hit another storm misses emp on the 2n dHT
19:00 KeeN 40 supply ahead a colossus comes out KeeN still has some vikings alive the colossus falls KeeN just rallying more and more units across HerO abandons his 3rd drop in the natural of HerO is cleaned up a colossus that is in the red health another colossus comes out HerO down 60 supply
20:00 KeeN drops next to the colossi and takes 1 out triple viking production for KeeN KeeN backs off to regroup his army
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Nope, there have been few others. Plus a few in Up/Downs and Code A seeds.
GSL S2 2013 Up & Down Matches Group C HerO (0-3) vs KeeN (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left KeeN spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for KeeN gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for HerO quick wall off for KeeN Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 zealot for HerO CC on the high ground for KeeN stalker for HerO
4:00 2 more rax for KeeN double gas for KeeN
5:00 zealot stalker pressure at hte main ramp of KeeN bunker started at the main ramp of KeeN zealot rying to break through the depot wall zealot is killed before the depot falls KeeN repairs the depot 2nd gas for HerO tech lab for KeeN
6:00 2 more gates for herO robo for HerO stim research for KeeN marauder production started for KeeN bunker in the natural for KeeN
7:00 forge for HerO combat shields for KeeN 2 more gas for HerO
8:00 observer for HerO +1 armor for HerO 3rd gas for KeeN factory for KeeN
9:00 Robotics bay for HerO concussive shells for KeeN Hero move commands his stalkers into the marine marauder force of KeeN KeeN moving across the map 2 cannons started for HerO KeeN breaking down the rocks to the natural ramp of HerO after HerO forcefields KeeN splits his army to have half comes around from the 3rd KeeN stims in and picks off a sentry
10:00 immortal of HerO is picked off instantly +1 attack started for KeeN Colossus production started for HerO double medivac production started for KeeN cannons help HerO hold and KeeN backs off
11:00 3 more gates for HerO 3rd CC for KeeN Twilight council for herO +1 attack for HerO 2 more rax for KeeN KeeN moving across the map again with his first 2 medivacs
12:00 3rd base of HerO denied by a marine killing the probe Templar archives for HerO viking production started for KeeN 2nd ebay and armory for KeeN 2nd starport for KeeN +2 armor for HerO
13:00 storm research started for HerO KeeN loads up his whole army into medivacs except a few marauders that stim into the natural observer sees the medivacs coming in and HerO warps in units in the main to deny the drop KeeN backs off +2 attack and +1 armor started for KeeN ghost academy for KeeN after seeing HTs
14:00 3 more gates for HerO warp prism for HerO 3rd base finishing up for HerO KeeN has landed his 3rd base now and is taking gas from it moebius reactor for KeeN ghost production started for KeeN charge research started for HerO 2nd forge for HerO
15:00 HerO making more immortals forward pylon of HerO is scoute dand taken out HerO moving across the map another gate for HerO +2 attack for HerO
16:00 warp prism of HerO has 2 zealots and 2 HTs in it storm drop in the natural of KeeN KeeN reacts slowly and takes a lot of damage
17:00 warp prism is killed off by vikings HerO moving up the natural ramp but Keen is ready so he backs off Extended thermal lance research started for HerO +3 armor started for HerO ghost drop emps some of the HTs storm of HerO completely misses HerO retreating KeeN chasing after HerO
18:00 storm hits some ofthe bio of KeeN emp on a couple of HTs HTs sniped KeeN attacking into the 3rd of HerO Hero flanking with a group of zealots KeeN is able to kite back more emps hit another storm misses emp on the 2n dHT
19:00 KeeN 40 supply ahead a colossus comes out KeeN still has some vikings alive the colossus falls KeeN just rallying more and more units across HerO abandons his 3rd drop in the natural of HerO is cleaned up a colossus that is in the red health another colossus comes out HerO down 60 supply
20:00 KeeN drops next to the colossi and takes 1 out triple viking production for KeeN KeeN backs off to regroup his army
21:00 +3 attack started for KeeN +2 armor started for KeeN HerO warping in some more HTs KeeN scouting the map and taking out pylons of HerO KeeN floats out his main OC to take a 4th
22:00 KeeN pulling some scvs with his next attack 3rd base restarted for HerO Hero has 3 colossi out KeeN goes in for the attack feedback on the ghosts 3rd base of HerO is canceled HerO backs off to his natural zealot scouts the 4th of KeeN storm hits part of the army of KeeN
23:00 3rd base of HerO is canceled again too many vikings killing colossi HerO ggs! HerO falls to 0-4 KeeN improves to 2-2 and takes 3rd place in the group in case there is a wild card group!
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Nope, there have been few others. Plus a few in Up/Downs and Code A seeds.
No more GSL seeds for foreigners pls, keep the GSL clean :D
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Well, if he's going to say "every single foreigner so far", it makes sense to include every single foreigner's results so far. In which case past results are certainly relevant. But either way, past results still certainly count. Nestea hasn't been any more impressive than Naniwa in the GSL in the past year (actually less so if I'm not mistaken?) but who would knock on Nestea's accomplishments (all of which were mostly achieved in 2011). MMA has also been very meh lately, but he's still very well liked and respected, and people had expected him to do well in GSTL. Past accomplishments have always been notable. A random masters player could probably beat Fruitdealer if he played a game of SC2, but that doesn't make his win worthless.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
On March 05 2013 15:59 mierin wrote: Stephano better not be the "seed" they're talking about....
Stephano is already in code S? So I assume that they can't seed him again.
Edit: To add to the point about past results, Boxer would get annihilated in the GSL (when was his last relevant GSL result?) But that doesn't mean he would ALWAYS have been annihilated, like every GSL attempt of his so far or something. In the past, he was certainly still pretty good. Saying that every single foreigner has been annihilated so far doesn't really make any sense.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
??? Lmao. Who doesn't? :p
The Zergs loosing the free unit phase in ZvZ against her I would assume. Broodlord micro is beautiful, haven't you seen Stephano kiting with them yesterday !
Hope TL is training HotS like crazy and that they will be back in HotS.
Will miss WoL, Siege tanks replaced in HotS by the Widow mine ... so will only see it in TvT or Midgame T.T
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, Sjow, Sheth, Fenix (also Sen, XiGua, Macsed) + TLO and others in open season
On March 05 2013 15:58 dinosrwar wrote: Wow that was ugly. It makes sense that the only terran HerO beat when it mattered was Puma. Who is also terrible.
This kind of a post is a fucking joke. Polt to win NASL? He's terrible? Hell at that time Puma was a fearsome Terran too.
So much cancerous negativity on TL, every single thread. Depressing
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
??? Lmao. Who doesn't? :p
The Zergs loosing the free unit phase in ZvZ against her I would assume. Broodlord micro is beautiful, haven't you seen Stephano kiting with them yesterday !
Hope TL is training HotS like crazy and that they will be back in HotS.
Will miss WoL, Siege tanks replaced in HotS by the Widow mine ... so will only see it in TvT or Midgame T.T
Broodlord micro = pre-emptive splitting against HSM, vortex, and storms.
Liquid spoiled the results by not making a post about HerO playing in the Up and Downs! /sarcasm too bad for HerO. Rough day. Hopefully he plays better in Code A next season
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
LOL thank god they don't do seeds anymore. I suppose Stephano is the only one recently who actually deserved his seed, all the other foreigners dropped, with good reason.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
Remember Torch and Artosis back in the open seasons?
Every time I see Hero play, I feel like he doesn't make a lot of mistakes but the only small mistakes he makes always cost him a lot. Except that he plays well but end up being beaten by lower level players because of one fucking detail. This is really annoying to watch.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
Remember Torch and Artosis back in the open seasons?
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
Remember Torch and Artosis back in the open seasons?
I really feel like this might be the end for HerO as a top player. He's been playing nothing but embarrassing games ever since his hot streak, and he's such an emotional player that I feel like he's rapidly spiraling into a place he can never return from.
You can say that HotS will be a new game, but it's not as if WoL is what's holding him back. His problem is psychological, he's not going to magically regain his confidence with the new expansion.
On March 05 2013 16:03 bLecK wrote: Everybody too busy arguing with each other to see Khaldor do crazy eye-movements at the very end of the broadcast. C'mon you guys...
I really don't care if casters do funny stuff. I'm here for starcraft watching and starcraft discussion.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
??? Lmao. Who doesn't? :p
The Zergs loosing the free unit phase in ZvZ against her I would assume. Broodlord micro is beautiful, haven't you seen Stephano kiting with them yesterday !
Hope TL is training HotS like crazy and that they will be back in HotS.
Will miss WoL, Siege tanks replaced in HotS by the Widow mine ... so will only see it in TvT or Midgame T.T
Broodlord micro = pre-emptive splitting against HSM, vortex, and storms.
Viking micro = pre-emptive splitting against HSM (terran), storm (protoss), and fungal (zerg).
I love parallels, even if they're really badly drawn. Sure, you can easily argue off of this that terran has "so much more to do" vs zerg, but zerg is always more of a strategic race, especially when you look at zergs who are really meticulous with their engagements (DRG, stephano) versus those who don't. Just my thoughts at least.
I just wanted to reiterate the post I made on the first page. I 100% cannot do Group D later tonight so I'd appreciate it if someone else made the thread and updated it. OP is premade HERE
It would be cool if someone could go ahead and make the thread now so we could get some discussion started
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
LOL thank god they don't do seeds anymore. I suppose Stephano is the only one recently who actually deserved his seed, all the other foreigners dropped, with good reason.
On March 05 2013 16:03 Cel.erity wrote: I really feel like this might be the end for HerO as a top player. He's been playing nothing but embarrassing games ever since his hot streak, and he's such an emotional player that I feel like he's rapidly spiraling into a place he can never return from.
You can say that HotS will be a new game, but it's not as if WoL is what's holding him back. His problem is psychological, he's not going to magically regain his confidence with the new expansion.
I doubt it. Being on Liquid means that he'll be attending plenty of tournaments, and he's bound to get a decent result sometime, considering that most Kespa players won't leave Korea ever except for maybe MLG, and most Korean teams can't afford to send players abroad that often.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
Especially since she excels at broodlord and Infestor control and seems super high level in ZvZ. Those seems to be skills that are less useful with HotS, atleast at the start.
??? Lmao. Who doesn't? :p
The Zergs loosing the free unit phase in ZvZ against her I would assume. Broodlord micro is beautiful, haven't you seen Stephano kiting with them yesterday !
Hope TL is training HotS like crazy and that they will be back in HotS.
Will miss WoL, Siege tanks replaced in HotS by the Widow mine ... so will only see it in TvT or Midgame T.T
Broodlord micro = pre-emptive splitting against HSM, vortex, and storms.
Viking micro = pre-emptive splitting against HSM (terran), storm (protoss), and fungal (zerg).
I love parallels, even if they're really badly drawn. Sure, you can easily argue off of this that terran has "so much more to do" vs zerg, but zerg is always more of a strategic race, especially when you look at zergs who are really meticulous with their engagements (DRG, stephano) versus those who don't. Just my thoughts at least.
You can't micro Vikings unless you're pulling them back from stalkers or trying to kiting against Battlecruisers (like 1 in a 100 TvTs get that far..), same as a BL. I think its laughable to say that there's such thing as BL micro when all you do is pre-split, the same way I find it funny when people try to say "viking micro"
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
LOL thank god they don't do seeds anymore. I suppose Stephano is the only one recently who actually deserved his seed, all the other foreigners dropped, with good reason.
On March 05 2013 16:03 Cel.erity wrote: I really feel like this might be the end for HerO as a top player. He's been playing nothing but embarrassing games ever since his hot streak, and he's such an emotional player that I feel like he's rapidly spiraling into a place he can never return from.
You can say that HotS will be a new game, but it's not as if WoL is what's holding him back. His problem is psychological, he's not going to magically regain his confidence with the new expansion.
He's got one thing though, he does have a certain talent at the game, when he's on form at least. Bad day at the office, no problems saying so from me.
Hey I like the HerO vibe, his playstyle and his rather emotional state, makes his wins a bit more enjoyable to those who wish him well
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
From what I hear the Korean fans are even harsher.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
I always thought the Korean fans were worse with the criticism.
But yeah, It's just some bo1's in a game that no one is going to be playing in a week. I wouldn't read too much into it guys.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
This isn't a few games, this is a huge streak not only for the EG-TL in the proleague but also for individual play.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
Remember Torch and Artosis back in the open seasons?
Still remember Torch going for BCs in one game against another Terran (was it Virus?). Hilarious. The game was on Metalopolis iirc.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
Remember Torch and Artosis back in the open seasons?
Still remember Torch going for BCs in one game against another Terran (was it Virus?). Hilarious. The game was on Metalopolis iirc.
Hah, I remember that game.
All the old VODs are free on GOM's website too, really nice of them.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
Actually, the first few threads were all hype. Then the hype died.
On March 05 2013 16:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: Maybe HerO just needs a break. 8 game losing streak has gotta be rough on him
Fantasy was on a 8 game losing streak too, he even got benched in PL for a week.
The interview yesterday stated that he requested to be benched. He took the time to get some pressure off of him and recollect his thoughts / improve his game. Looks like it worked nicely for him.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
dont forget the caster bashing and the 1 or 2 guys that always have to start some Kespa vs esf bitching >.>
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
Actually, the first few threads were all hype. Then the hype died.
The hype was there, but amongsts shitloads of smug 'I told you so's' from people who hadn't actually MADE any predictions, or put their rep on the line like the TL writers did.
Anyway, cool games. Interested to see if Maru can actually do anything in Code S of note, he has moments of great skill but he seems kinda shakey.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
Actually, the first few threads were all hype. Then the hype died.
The hype was there, but amongsts shitloads of smug 'I told you so's' from people who hadn't actually MADE any predictions, or put their rep on the line like the TL writers did.
Anyway, cool games. Interested to see if Maru can actually do anything in Code S of note, he has moments of great skill but he seems kinda shakey.
Well, I thought Fionn was just joking with his predictions. And then I realized he was actually serious about them
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
From what I hear the Korean fans are even harsher.
Korean fans and players are just as BM or more than foreign fans. They are complete assholes online in starcraft, LoL, dota every single game. They are no different online than we are. They bitch constantly about balance and about playstyles or anything at all while watching and while playing the game.
There isn't any difference in respect for korean fans vs foreign fans.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
Actually, the first few threads were all hype. Then the hype died.
The hype was there, but amongsts shitloads of smug 'I told you so's' from people who hadn't actually MADE any predictions, or put their rep on the line like the TL writers did.
Anyway, cool games. Interested to see if Maru can actually do anything in Code S of note, he has moments of great skill but he seems kinda shakey.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
Lol, every thread, it's a joke.
PL threads were the worst though. Those like me were excited to see the Kespa guys, the novelty, as we'd missed it in BW. But no, instead of having cool discussions and getting psyched up about a prestigious tourney, every thread is just bitching about EGTL, their managers, their players with 93% of it based on nothing other than conjecture
Actually, the first few threads were all hype. Then the hype died.
The hype was there, but amongsts shitloads of smug 'I told you so's' from people who hadn't actually MADE any predictions, or put their rep on the line like the TL writers did.
Anyway, cool games. Interested to see if Maru can actually do anything in Code S of note, he has moments of great skill but he seems kinda shakey.
Well, I thought Fionn was just joking with his predictions. And then I realized he was actually serious about them
They made sense at the time, given that a hell of a lot of Kespa players were either unknown or mediocre, with quite a few bombing in the GSl, or being average at best with a few exceptions. The training regimes are of course well-known, but equally it wasn't ridicuous to take the Kespa work ethic as being there, but come to the conclusion that it hadn't yet started paying off.
On March 05 2013 16:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: Maybe HerO just needs a break. 8 game losing streak has gotta be rough on him
I suppose he should. Yet I still don't understand what he did so poorly in his play to deserve to be in that spot. Yesterday with Killer, it was fine, he played bad overall and made many huge mistakes. But with HerO it's a bit hard to accept all these loss, even as a fan.
On March 05 2013 15:42 DidYuhim wrote: [quote] You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
Hyperdub. and then everyone hated Hyperdub forever lol
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
On March 05 2013 16:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: Maybe HerO just needs a break. 8 game losing streak has gotta be rough on him
I suppose he should. Yet I still don't understand what he did so poorly in his play to deserve to be in that spot. Yesterday with Killer, it was fine, he played bad overall and made many huge mistakes. But with HerO it's a bit hard to accept all these loss, even as a fan.
Didn't see all the games granted. HerO plays a kind of high-risk, high-reward style a lot of the time, relying on his multitasking and whatnot more than other Protoss players. When it fails he still often looks 'good' but fragile, it's a natural consequence of the style. Gumiho is the best example, his multitasking is insane and glorious to watch, even when it fails you don't think 'Gumiho's a scrub'. At least if you're me!
Players like Killer are sooo boring and cookie cutter that I don't know, you just go 'meh' when they lose. Tbh I was surprised to see Killer in U+D given he had looked to be falling over for quite a while.
On March 05 2013 15:17 Orek wrote: Make infestor = winfestor OP Not make infestor = lolol he is so bad
For whatever reason, Nestea chooses the latter. I don't know why.
according to some interview, dont remember where it is, Nestea said a lot of the time he plans on going infestor builds and does them in practice, but when he's in the booth he said he is more comfortable going for mutas so he just does that
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
Hyperdub, and that was 2000 years ago :D
Great match though, and the point (of foreigners relevant in GSL) still holds.
Oh also Thorazin didn't do THAT bad either really. Neither did mana.
Man I wish foreigners didn't forfeit after dropping to Code A so frequently though.
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
Way more foreigners have tried the GSL they just always lost in the qualifiers or if they got a seed in the first or second round of Code A and then left Korea. Select, Ret, Haypro, TLO, Mana, Sen, Moonglade, Sheth, Sase, Fenix, Thorzain, sjow. Probably some more especially counting the qualifiers. All of those players got Code A or Code S seeds at some point.
Thank god they don't do seeds anymore...
Yeah, diversity is horrible -.- But what, seriously ?
I've been of the belief that since GSL prides itself on being one of the two most prestigious tournaments in the world (with PL being the other), players who get into Code S have to actually earn their spot by going through the brackets.
TLO did great in GSL and only left cause of his wrist. Ret didn't do bad either, taking down the most cursed player in sc2 history IMO Cyrano. He pops up every now and then still to lose an embarrassing fairly high profile match.
When TLO won against Losira, everybody was like HYPE HYPE HYPE and then he lost to some oGs terran and Killer i think
Hyperdub, and that was 2000 years ago :D
Great match though, and the point (of foreigners relevant in GSL) still holds.
Oh also Thorazin didn't do THAT bad either really. Neither did mana.
Man I wish foreigners didn't forfeit after dropping to Code A so frequently though.
I dont mind - if they want to play in the GSL - go there and play. Recieving seeds, then going last place in your group and dropping from GSL is not really nice addition.
HerO is mentally done I am so sad watching him. He was crying before the beginning of that game I mean thats bad.
Honestly, we all should be rallying around him and cheer for HerO win or lose and keep his spirits up, or else where is he going to find the strength to continue, it is us who need to be his light and his brothers in TeamLiquid.
I am praying for you HerO please find strength wherever you can and stop crying I can't stand it anymore. T_T
Hate to say this but NO TEARS; ONLY DREAMS ok? Please! <3
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
From what I hear the Korean fans are even harsher.
Korean fans and players are just as BM or more than foreign fans. They are complete assholes online in starcraft, LoL, dota every single game. They are no different online than we are. They bitch constantly about balance and about playstyles or anything at all while watching and while playing the game.
There isn't any difference in respect for korean fans vs foreign fans.
There is a clear difference, Korean fans are much harsher online. TL is too polite to be a normal internet forum even in foreigner's standard.
On March 05 2013 16:06 Gamegene wrote: nice to know that if you lose a couple games, people are allowed to shit all over your play, your character, your career and past accomplishments.
it's a good thing that koreans can't read what foreigners have to say.
From what I hear the Korean fans are even harsher.
Korean fans and players are just as BM or more than foreign fans. They are complete assholes online in starcraft, LoL, dota every single game. They are no different online than we are. They bitch constantly about balance and about playstyles or anything at all while watching and while playing the game.
There isn't any difference in respect for korean fans vs foreign fans.
There is a clear difference, Korean fans are much harsher online. TL is too polite to be a normal internet forum even in foreigner's standard.
TL is polite because it's one of the few heavily moderated gaming sites of this size. I don't get how you can say Korean's are much harsher if you read any other site that don't have TL's high standards. TL was much worse when sc2 first launched as well, time having weeded out some.
On March 05 2013 15:41 Geos13 wrote: They need to give a seed to Scarlett! Boo! No wildcards!
You want to see her tears that bad?
If Scarlett somehow manages a Code S seed, it would have definitely been a crazy year for her, going from NA unknown to Code S player within 12 months.
There is a pretty big difference between GSL and MLG events in terms of difficulty, I think she would be annihilated just like every single foreigner so far
No foreigner did win GSL so far, but many didnt get annihilated, especially Jinro, Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.
Aren't those all the foreigners that have been in GSL? And can we please use recent results for a change, Jinro, Idra, Naniwa haven't been in GSL for months. HuK's ro8 days are long past.
If someone claims "annihilated just like every single foreigner so far" we can`t only use recent results, no. Please follow the discussion.
And they have been many more foreigners in GSL: Ret, Sase, Mana, Grubby, Haypro, Thorzain, ...
LOL thank god they don't do seeds anymore. I suppose Stephano is the only one recently who actually deserved his seed, all the other foreigners dropped, with good reason.
are we just sticking to this thread for Group D too? I don't imagine there'll be much chatter, my 2 monitors are taken by the stream and the 2 IEM streams lol
edit: anyone can make the thread for group D it's premade in the resources thread, if you're going to watch just make it. you just have to update results.
On March 05 2013 18:14 Die4Ever wrote: are we just sticking to this thread for Group D too? I don't imagine there'll be much chatter, my 2 monitors are taken by the stream and the 2 IEM streams lol
If I finish writing this paper about how my TA fucked up and gave us too high of a concentration of plant hormone and killed all our plants in lab and no one has made the thread yet, I'll do it. not sure how long it will take though so I'd rather someone else do it
On March 05 2013 18:27 gTank wrote: just opened this thread and HerO is out 0-4 ? What happened?
game 1 lost to Maru's 2 base all in because he was trying to take a 3rd tech to colossus and tech to storm game 2 lost to mutas vs nestea game 3 let hellions and a banshee kill most of his workers vs fantasy and failed his counterattack game 4 lost 3 base vs 3 base game to keen after making some errors
On March 05 2013 17:01 sinigang wrote: Soon enough, KeSPA, GSL will be yours.
I can never tell if these posts are serious or not
Serious or not it is slowly happening though. More and more KeSPA getting into Code A/S each season. Also the very high possibility of last WOL championship going to KeSPA.
On March 05 2013 18:27 gTank wrote: just opened this thread and HerO is out 0-4 ? What happened?
game 1 lost to Maru's 2 base all in because he was trying to take a 3rd tech to colossus and tech to storm game 2 lost to mutas vs nestea game 3 let hellions and a banshee kill most of his workers vs fantasy and failed his counterattack game 4 lost 3 base vs 3 base game to keen after making some errors
game 1> Many persons here said he was trying to tech to colossus and storm. He had actually already 2 colossi so he wasn't trying to tech to it, it was already done. Taking a 3rd and storm at the same time is pretty standard, unless your opponent goes allin which was the case (and Hero scouted a part of Maru's army when it was leaving to push). But even if HerO doesn't take the third, I don't see a toss defending such a strong push without storm anyway. What should he do with these minerals ? He would have had a few more zealots ? Or should have he built some canons ? Now he would have delayed the attack another 15 seconds and storm was done so too bad for him.
Wow, just wake up to see? Fantaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Code S, Code S Fanta x Flash Code S finals.
SamirDuran: I may be wrong, but as i know you dont need to hide spoiler of the result on the LR itself. (SOrry, my "engrish" is bad)
On March 05 2013 19:08 Taipoka wrote: Wow, just wake up to see? Fantaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Code S, Code S Fanta x Flash Code S finals.
SamirDuran: I may be wrong, but as i know you dont need to hide spoiler of the result on the LR itself. (SOrry, my "engrish" is bad)
It was a spoiler for the previous group, which is not included in this thread.
On March 05 2013 19:08 Taipoka wrote: Wow, just wake up to see? Fantaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Code S, Code S Fanta x Flash Code S finals.
SamirDuran: I may be wrong, but as i know you dont need to hide spoiler of the result on the LR itself. (SOrry, my "engrish" is bad)
It was a spoiler for the previous group, which is not included in this thread.
On March 05 2013 19:08 Taipoka wrote: Wow, just wake up to see? Fantaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Code S, Code S Fanta x Flash Code S finals.
SamirDuran: I may be wrong, but as i know you dont need to hide spoiler of the result on the LR itself. (SOrry, my "engrish" is bad)
It was a spoiler for the previous group, which is not included in this thread.
This is group C LR, group of fantasy
OMG my bad. I messed up my browser tabs and thought it was group D thread. I think I should have a break -.-
Very well played by Fantasy. So glad to see him in Code S together with Flash. A final between the two would be a dream come true. Will probably have to wait a while longer until that happens, but you can always hope.
Woo! I knew Fantasy could make it through. The next season of Code S is already turning out awesome! Unfortunate to see Hero go 0-4. I sort of guessed that is was going to happen though.
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-(
Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that.
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-(
Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that.
In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level)
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-(
Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that.
In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level)
i dno, protoss has quite a few high achievements in the past few months. not as much as zerg, but they are doing alright
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-(
Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that.
In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level)
i dno, protoss has quite a few high achievements in the past few months. not as much as zerg, but they are doing alright
Yeah that just isn't true unfortunately... But that's how WoL will be remembered.
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-(
Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that.
In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level)
Two Protoss in Ro8 of the current GSL. That's just as many as Terran.
sOs is the best player in PL. 4 of the top 10 players in PL are protoss.
It's been longer since a Terran won GSL than Protoss.
Protoss has never been a super dominant race like Zerg currently is or Terran once was.
Protoss has almost never to my recollection had a player who is legitimately good at all 3 matchups simultaneously. I mean Rain did seem to achieve that when he was first on the scene, and came close to 'figuring out' PvP. The matchups never seem to have stabilised until the end, and when they eventually did, ZvP's end state was just sickening to watch from both sides. The stats may never have beared this out as much as the instinctive 'feel' that 'Wow, Protoss is functionally retarded in this game.
Equally they can get pretty good results and make good runs, at any time really bar the 1/1/1 era, so the race still 'wins things'
The reason many Protoss players love HerO is because of his style. We don't want Protoss to just win, we want them to win in a non-retarded way. Parting's PvZ is a case in point, pretty bad/average until he discovered ONE allin that was ridiculously potent, and he can ride on its coat-tails to win. Parting's Pvz is possibly the most overrated single matchup in the history of SC since I can recall watching.
This is not a bash at Parting, indeed his Pvt style was so beloved precisely because it was awesome to watch, nuanced and interesting to watch.
To be fair that's actually pretty accurate. I've been rather inactive and the last matches I saw Creator play were pretty terrible, but yeah he is just all-round solid. Still reliant on dumb timing-attack-or-die vs Zerg, but agreed.
On March 06 2013 05:35 papaz wrote: elephants are coming! You can here them STOMPING!
Nice fail. Switch has been a whole year now. Players should be even and the results are leaning that way.
bad try. full transition to sc2 in proleague only started december last year, while the hybrid started around may last year. did you even see these guys play at the mlg kespa invitational which was june of last year? they were chobos. how is 9 months of valid sc2 experience (at most. and i'm being generous here since hyrbid proleague was iffy as they had to practice for broodwar as well) equal to around 3 years of sc2 experience for the non-kespa players? the kespa players are performing way better than their sc2 experience suggests, especially compared to the non-kespa players.
^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
^ good for you. my interest here is to objectively dissect and understand this situation with the kespa players. i happen to be a fan of mvp, among other things, who is an esf player.
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
if the newcomers were as skilled as the esf players it would be the same as it is now. 3 years of experience doesn't matter when the metagame and balance has changed so much over those 3 years.
the kespa players started playing when the game was pretty much figured out and there were only minor balance changes. they learned everything about sc2 from the esf players.
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
I would say most of the reason for that is the team environment and strict practice schedule. Also, Kespa players understand better how to evaluate and fix holes in their play. This definitely gives them an advantage, but not an insurmountable one. If the situation were reversed, and the ESF guys were just now transitioning from BW, as long as they had the desire I still think they'd put up respectable numbers because they'd be working harder in order to catch up. Experience has diminishing returns, anyway.
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
if the newcomers were as skilled as the esf players it would be the same as it is now. 3 years of experience doesn't matter when the metagame and balance has changed so much over those 3 years.
the kespa players started playing when the game was pretty much figured out and there were only minor balance changes. they learned everything about sc2 from the esf players.
i disagree. the difference between very refined play is huge compared to just good play. it wins you games. you get this from experience through constant practice and trial and error. it takes a lot of time and dedication. about the game being fully figured out, that's just conjecture. the sad fact is that we will never know for sure because the transition to hots is coming very soon. we won't be seeing people like flash potentially truly pioneer how terran is played in wol, for example, which he did in broodwar.
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
I would say most of the reason for that is the team environment and strict practice schedule. Also, Kespa players understand better how to evaluate and fix holes in their play. This definitely gives them an advantage, but not an insurmountable one. If the situation were reversed, and the ESF guys were just now transitioning from BW, as long as they had the desire I still think they'd put up respectable numbers because they'd be working harder in order to catch up. Experience has diminishing returns, anyway.
i agree with training regimen and better evaluation of their play, but i wouldn't count out the fact that kespa has the cream of the crop talent pool. a lot of the esf players were former broodwar players who couldn't make it in broodwar in spite of undergoing the same training regimen. i wouldn't really argue this strongly though because there are a lot of other factors involved in success in sc2.
true, experience has diminishing returns but considering that kespa has only 9 months under their belt, i would say experience is still a huge factor at this point. 9 months isn't enough to fully develop one's potential. again using flash as an example, he has just started training his harrassment style going into his code a matches as he stated in his interview. i don't think he's even near his full potential in sc2 yet.
I kind of view some of the ESF folks who were formerly in Kespa houses as not necessarily being less talented than many of their Kespa counterparts.
Perhaps not every Korean actually benefits from that practice regime, and could flourish in a less regimented environment. I mean there are massive differences in practice schedules within the foreign scene, coexisting withthe idea that Koreans are all the same and all practice 10-12 hours a day, and benefit equally
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point.
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something.
If the situation were reversed, and the ESF guys were just now transitioning from BW, as long as they had the desire I still think they'd put up respectable numbers because they'd be working harder in order to catch up. Experience has diminishing returns, anyway.
Are you high? Given 7 or so months only MVP and a handful of the other ex-A-teamers with the necessary mechanics would be competitive. You're severely underestimating how demanding it was to learn and play BW at the highest level. Flash and co. would run rings around the Zergbongs of ESF.
On March 06 2013 05:35 papaz wrote: elephants are coming! You can here them STOMPING!
Nice fail. Switch has been a whole year now. Players should be even and the results are leaning that way.
Haha, is that the new excuse?
After a year Kespa guys are on the same level as the rest of the field that had what, 2 years+ head start?
First SC2 was going to be return of the foreign scene, which we all know how that turned out.
Then EG-TL considered being favourites in proleague. I don't know what the excuses are for their results but there are probably a number of them.
Then of course the great talent of Stephano in GSL. Well he probably wasn't lucky with the map pool or something.
Now Kespa A-teamers are catching up and in a couple of months they will just wave goodbye to the rest of the field.
I will be back for the new excuses then
It's fine, I was also jumping the bandwagon that "this is a new game, the mechanics are easier".
I admit when I'm wrong. I greatly underestimated the skill of Kespa A-teamers. When proleague started and EG-TL got stommped (and being stomped) I realized that Kespa teams and players are going to rule the scene. I wish there was a mixed ESF-Kespa teams teamleague.
On March 06 2013 12:25 theMagus wrote: ^ good for you. my interest here is to objectively dissect and understand this situation with the kespa players. i happen to be a fan of mvp, among other things, who is an esf player.
Yeah but you're in no point objective, because you're presupposing two entities "an esf player" and "a kespa player", which make no sense when looking at actual results. Sola is no Effort, and Virus is no Mvp. Just the same as Avenge is no Rain and Trust is no Squirtle.
On March 06 2013 12:25 theMagus wrote: ^ good for you. my interest here is to objectively dissect and understand this situation with the kespa players. i happen to be a fan of mvp, among other things, who is an esf player.
Yeah but you're in no point objective, because you're presupposing two entities "an esf player" and "a kespa player", which make no sense when looking at actual results. Sola is no Effort, and Virus is no Mvp. Just the same as Avenge is no Rain and Trust is no Squirtle.
false. kespa and esf are two different entities with different training philosophies and regimens. it's quite natural to compare them actually based on the results of their players playing the same game. what i am obviously after is analyzing and understanding what is/are really behind kespa's success as a whole in sc2 in light of their still limited experience (in terms of time spent playing the game vs esf) in sc2, not results of individual players.
Yeah but no, like I said the results prove you wrong, given that provided the same limited experience a player can be as successful as RorO or as unsuccessful as those B-teamers we don't even know the nick of. A player's result depend too much on his personal skill, multitasking, resistance to nerves, and commitment, to analyze this in an environmental-only fashion like you're trying to. Obviously it's a factor. But it's not the only one, and honestly I doubt it's even the most important one.
Also, I'd like to add that besides thinking that you're wrong, I still don't see why we should care even if you were right.
^ who said i'm taking training environment as the only factor in their success? a lot of factors determine success in sc2, like i said in my reply to a different poster above. read it before you put words in my mouth. if you don't get what i'm trying to do, then i don't know what to say to you. i will just say that it involves basic principles of regression analysis. make of that what you will.
and what? i'm not asking you to care lol. i'm simply expressing my own thoughts in a discussion forum, and my ideas are open to objective discussion. if you don't like what i'm discussing, then ignore it. no need to get all defensive and butthurt
On March 06 2013 05:35 papaz wrote: elephants are coming! You can here them STOMPING!
Nice fail. Switch has been a whole year now. Players should be even and the results are leaning that way.
Haha, is that the new excuse?
After a year Kespa guys are on the same level as the rest of the field that had what, 2 years+ head start?
First SC2 was going to be return of the foreign scene, which we all know how that turned out.
Then EG-TL considered being favourites in proleague. I don't know what the excuses are for their results but there are probably a number of them.
Then of course the great talent of Stephano in GSL. Well he probably wasn't lucky with the map pool or something.
Now Kespa A-teamers are catching up and in a couple of months they will just wave goodbye to the rest of the field.
I will be back for the new excuses then
It's fine, I was also jumping the bandwagon that "this is a new game, the mechanics are easier".
I admit when I'm wrong. I greatly underestimated the skill of Kespa A-teamers. When proleague started and EG-TL got stommped (and being stomped) I realized that Kespa teams and players are going to rule the scene. I wish there was a mixed ESF-Kespa teams teamleague.
oh god i remember back during wol beta there were some who said foreigners will take back the sc scene from koreans with sc2 because of the interface and focus was on strategy instead of mechanics and fighting the ai. which supposedly foreigners excelled rigid robot like koreans.
On March 07 2013 02:26 theMagus wrote: ^ who said i'm taking training environment as the only factor in their success?
You did, right there:
On March 06 2013 23:49 theMagus wrote: false. kespa and esf are two different entities with different training philosophies and regimens. it's quite natural to compare them actually based on the results of their players playing the same game.
Well if "only" is the key word you didn't say it was the only one, that's true, but the rest of the factors aren't kespa or esf dependant so the only real reason to view them as two separate / opposite entities is their training regimens.
On March 07 2013 02:26 theMagus wrote: no need to get all defensive and butthurt
I feel sorry that an attempt to end a pointless war is considered defensive and butthurt. I've had my *** in pain for way less noble causes and still felt good about it.
^ i'm just gonna back away from this line of argument. there are things here that are self-evident to me (and others) but not to you (and others), and i'd rather not discuss it lengthily in this thread that is living way past its relevance. we will not meet eye to eye in this matter, so let's just agree to disagree.
and i don't see this thing between kespa and esf as a war but a simple rivalry that keeps things interesting and entertaining
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