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Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
March 01 2013 11:08 GMT
#1341
Zerg with really effective early game cheeses and strongest late game. All early game Terran cheese shut down by queens, so Terran has to play greedy to keep up and aim for a strong mid game timing. And that is all Terran can do in TvZ in WoL.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
March 01 2013 11:08 GMT
#1342
It's funny how many people argue that Zerg isnt the strongest by now..by saying "hey look how good T was 2011". they dont want to balance the game, they want revenge for the T domination in 2011 i guess?
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
March 01 2013 11:09 GMT
#1343
On March 01 2013 20:07 Fionn wrote:
Roro kicked Taeja's ass. Taeja got to the semifinals with some luck, placing 2nd in both group stages and then hanging on to beat Soulkey 3-2. Roro is the better player in this tournament. He is worthy of being a GSL champion.

But fuck ZvZ.

This tbh.

The only ZvZs I enjoy, in general, involved Nestea or Life
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p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
March 01 2013 11:09 GMT
#1344
On March 01 2013 20:05 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:00 negativedge wrote:
The dumb part is people are complaining about ZERG IMBA when this series was almost all old fashioned ZvT from Roro. There was no infestor/brood/spine turtling at all. Roro outplayed Taeja. He played a smart, tough, skillfull series, and he's no fluke. He's the best kespa zerg. Get over yourselves.


The sad thing is, if DRG or Life had done this exact same thing, I bet you this thread would be full of "DRGs just on a different level from Taeja" or "Life is simply invincible right now." But because Roro's so unknown, it somehow has to be because zerg is an imbalanced race.

It sucks that there are no longer constructive criticism of the game these days, because there's only whinning for the sake of whining.

Yeah Roro is the better player but still Zergs are winning everything for the last 6 months. It cannot be only skill.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#1345
On March 01 2013 20:07 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:04 n0ise wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:02 Sc2Null wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
On March 01 2013 19:59 Wertheron wrote:
OOOOOOOH. Stop it terrans, you were the race the most imba during one year and a half and we had a plenty of TvT finals (and no, it's not better than ZvZ).


The difference is that you expect a game to actually get MORE balanced after 3 years than it was in the beginning. When you end up with this, suffice to say someone bungled at the job.


or people are just butt hurt cause taeja, who everyone(~70%) wanted to see win; now we cry imba...as LR threads usually go


To address your main point, the main reason people wanted taeja to win was to avoid the 1000th anniversary edition of a ZvZ finals in the last year of wol :D


3 ZvZ GSL finals counting this one. 5 TvT finals.

You're aware that GSL is not the only tournament in the world, yes?
Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
March 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#1346
On March 01 2013 20:06 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:00 negativedge wrote:
The dumb part is people are complaining about ZERG IMBA when this series was almost all old fashioned ZvT from Roro. There was no infestor/brood/spine turtling at all. Roro outplayed Taeja. He played a smart, tough, skillfull series, and he's no fluke. He's the best kespa zerg. Get over yourselves.

And, of course, at no point int he HISTORY OF THE GSL were Zergs every as dominant as Terrans were for the SIX MONTHS of GomTvT that everyone conveniently forgets about


The biggest buff to Zerg is its near impossible to hurt Zerg early game. Faster overlords, six range stalkeresque queens...
Queen buff is ridiculous. Pop out 4-6 and hellions, banshees, early game few units of rines can't pressure.

Man, at the highest level I'd even prefer the Zerg to be stronger with infestors and weaken the queens so at least Terran has a chance at slowing Zerg macro down. End game a concentrated Zerg army is always going to destroy a T-ball anyday eitherway.


It is like terrans didn't even pause to breathe before complaining about something else.

he won without abusing BL infestor, but because queens can deflect hellions that means terran can't do anything vs zerg? even though the game usually lasts 15-20 minutes.
look at game 1, taeja played well using drops and beat Roro, furthermore there are plenty of 2 base builds terran can do that blow heavy queen play out of the water,

Roro just played great games 2-5, he had flawless mechanics and some smart all ins, taeja just crumpled and it had nothing to do with imbalance

Savant
Tibbroar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States161 Posts
March 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#1347
On March 01 2013 20:07 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:04 n0ise wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:02 Sc2Null wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
On March 01 2013 19:59 Wertheron wrote:
OOOOOOOH. Stop it terrans, you were the race the most imba during one year and a half and we had a plenty of TvT finals (and no, it's not better than ZvZ).


The difference is that you expect a game to actually get MORE balanced after 3 years than it was in the beginning. When you end up with this, suffice to say someone bungled at the job.


or people are just butt hurt cause taeja, who everyone(~70%) wanted to see win; now we cry imba...as LR threads usually go


To address your main point, the main reason people wanted taeja to win was to avoid the 1000th anniversary edition of a ZvZ finals in the last year of wol :D


3 ZvZ GSL finals counting this one. 5 TvT finals.

On the other hand, I'm actually willing to watch TvT.
I will always believe in the fallen king.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33434 Posts
March 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#1348
Symbol has played some really fun ZvZ's in his career, but RorO seems to have an aversion to making the zerg mirror interesting
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#1349
On March 01 2013 20:08 herMan wrote:
I'd just like to say that the main reason for the Terran domination in 2011 was that the game wasn't as well figured out yet. As more time passes, the bigger lead Zerg gets because it has such an advantageous race design (larvae, creep spread, single tech structures). The infestor buff was a too powerful for the role it was meant to have, leading to its subsequent nerf.


Yeah Snipe was rathe well balanced i have to say, Just to name one.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1350
On March 01 2013 20:06 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:05 liberate71 wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:03 Sc2Null wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:01 Zealously wrote:
On March 01 2013 19:59 Snusmumriken wrote:
"youre still gonna watch the finals". No Tastosis, I most certainly am not.



Okay


sure you won't, last WOL Finals; if anything you're going to watch it to see roro lose. If someone wasn't going to watch the finals, they wouldn't post it hoping to get attention.


lol... I said I'm not going to, and I'll check TL and hope Roro lost, but I'm certainly not spending time watching it

looking forward to your posts in the thread for the finals.

honestly, i'm not nearly as hyped for them as i would be if taeja won either, but come on guys. all the hardcore sc2 fans are gonna be watching. if you have 3k posts on here, you're gonna be watching the finals (unless you're at work or something at the time).


Hopefully someone can tell me how many times you asked "is liberate71 here yet?" :D

If I could put money on it, I would... *shrugs* I dont know when they are on - so not sure what i'll be doing.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1351
On March 01 2013 20:05 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:00 negativedge wrote:
The dumb part is people are complaining about ZERG IMBA when this series was almost all old fashioned ZvT from Roro. There was no infestor/brood/spine turtling at all. Roro outplayed Taeja. He played a smart, tough, skillfull series, and he's no fluke. He's the best kespa zerg. Get over yourselves.


The sad thing is, if DRG or Life had done this exact same thing, I bet you this thread would be full of "DRGs just on a different level from Taeja" or "Life is simply invincible right now." But because Roro's so unknown, it somehow has to be because zerg is an imbalanced race.

It sucks that there are no longer constructive criticism of the game these days, because there's only whinning for the sake of whining.

Yes so let's constrictively discuss how good whirlwind is as a map. And we all saw how Roro outplayed Taeja on that map.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1352
On March 01 2013 20:07 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:04 Fjodorov wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:00 negativedge wrote:
The dumb part is people are complaining about ZERG IMBA when this series was almost all old fashioned ZvT from Roro. There was no infestor/brood/spine turtling at all. Roro outplayed Taeja. He played a smart, tough, skillfull series, and he's no fluke. He's the best kespa zerg. Get over yourselves.

And, of course, at no point int he HISTORY OF THE GSL were Zergs every as dominant as Terrans were for the SIX MONTHS of GomTvT that everyone conveniently forgets about


whats old fashioned about 10 queens, infinite map control, creep at terrans base at 13min, 4 hatch at 10 min, constantly 60 larva at the zergs disposal? Anyways, Roro is obviously extremely good so grats to him but im afraid the winner of this GSL wont get the full cred he might deserve.


*Roro destroys Taeja's 3rd with constant ling runbys preventing hellions from denying creep, delays terran push timing and economy*

Whiners: Zerg imba!!!

yea and he did this while teching and expanding at the same time
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1353
Didn't expect Taeja to lose, but I'm very happy for Roro 4-1.
Something for Taeja to contemplate on, oh my, what a series.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1354
On March 01 2013 20:05 Savant.GL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:03 braller wrote:
BL/Infestor affects even the matches that you don't see it in, because it dramatically narrows the range of strategies Terran can use. And of course the absurd power of queens was on direct display in this series,


So even though he never used BL infestor, it still had a dramatic effect on the matchup?...I'm curious what brilliant strategies exist that terran can't do because of BL infestor, which terran can scout anyway.



Taeja felt forced to go for extremely greedy openings to keep him on some semblance of even footing going into the late game. He didn't have the luxury of just playing safe and comfortably outplaying his opponent like a Zerg can. Terran have to do something unorthodox because playing a bog standard game against Zerg is like fighting your way uphill.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1355
On March 01 2013 20:09 p14c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:05 baubo wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:00 negativedge wrote:
The dumb part is people are complaining about ZERG IMBA when this series was almost all old fashioned ZvT from Roro. There was no infestor/brood/spine turtling at all. Roro outplayed Taeja. He played a smart, tough, skillfull series, and he's no fluke. He's the best kespa zerg. Get over yourselves.


The sad thing is, if DRG or Life had done this exact same thing, I bet you this thread would be full of "DRGs just on a different level from Taeja" or "Life is simply invincible right now." But because Roro's so unknown, it somehow has to be because zerg is an imbalanced race.

It sucks that there are no longer constructive criticism of the game these days, because there's only whinning for the sake of whining.

Yeah Roro is the better player but still Zergs are winning everything for the last 6 months. It cannot be only skill.


Because when we had Terran domination in GomTvT it wasn't shoved away as not skillful.
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1356
On March 01 2013 20:10 Savant.GL wrote:
furthermore there are plenty of 2 base builds terran can do that blow heavy queen play out of the water

Really? Enlighten us then, write the full list.
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1357
On March 01 2013 20:07 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:04 n0ise wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:02 Sc2Null wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
On March 01 2013 19:59 Wertheron wrote:
OOOOOOOH. Stop it terrans, you were the race the most imba during one year and a half and we had a plenty of TvT finals (and no, it's not better than ZvZ).


The difference is that you expect a game to actually get MORE balanced after 3 years than it was in the beginning. When you end up with this, suffice to say someone bungled at the job.


or people are just butt hurt cause taeja, who everyone(~70%) wanted to see win; now we cry imba...as LR threads usually go


To address your main point, the main reason people wanted taeja to win was to avoid the 1000th anniversary edition of a ZvZ finals in the last year of wol :D


3 ZvZ GSL finals counting this one. 5 TvT finals.


Huh? Liquipedia seems to say 3 Code S TvTs, unless the 2011 Super Tournament counts (I honestly don't remember the details of that tournament, so it may well be 4 TvTs)
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1358
RorO ^-^ I was highly amused by the cancelled manner hatches in the last game.

I'm actually looking forward to the finals in hopes of seeing something creative or 20 minutes total of high intensity ling bane wars.
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
March 01 2013 11:11 GMT
#1359
On March 01 2013 20:08 BlackCompany wrote:
It's funny how many people argue that Zerg isnt the strongest by now..by saying "hey look how good T was 2011". they dont want to balance the game, they want revenge for the T domination in 2011 i guess?


Reminds me of WoW PvP balance a lot. Every season there would be 'flavor of the month' team compositions or classes then the next season they'd suddenly be awful and what was underpowered last season was suddenly overpowered and got 'free gladiator' given they just found other good players to create the flavor composition.

They can't do this with an RTS without making it completely obvious and boring.
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xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
March 01 2013 11:12 GMT
#1360
all the excuses by losing against khan, are a trend
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