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Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
February 21 2013 22:03 GMT
#2061
On February 22 2013 06:57 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 03:17 Daswollvieh wrote:
How come people talk about current SC2 being boring?

Either they watch it and don´t enjoy it, then: Don´t watch it.
Or they don´t watch it, but talk about it anyway, then: Shut up, you don´t know what you´re talking about.



Because people hold on to love of the game, even if they find the game boring or stale to watch.
People hold on to watch their favorite storylines make it through: like Taeja bringing a coveted GSL home for TL, or Bosstoss reclaiming his previous glory as a WOL god.

But instead these storylines get snuffed out by zerg players that most don't really care for or don't have an attachment to.

You don't need to get defensive of the meta and criticism against it. It's legacy will be just fine without your pointless defensiveness. True SC2 fans will embrace excellent play AND the storylines it harbors.

I don't know, I'm kind of sleepy so my post might not make any coherent sense, but if the finals are ZvZ again, I'll be the first to call it boring as fuck without watching it because I've already seen some of the best ZvZ ever orchestrated and I personally want to see something new. Plus I'm rooting for Taeja. So.... I'll watch/complain as I see fit. god I need a nap.


Kind of this.

ZvZ has indeed become pretty damn good (many games going late game in many ways with both ultras and blords being used, nydus being pretty used later on ecc) but I believe that we should not hope for ZvZ finals (Well, if you like the MU at that point then do hope for it, just saying). A nice ZvT would be ok.
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 21 2013 22:05 GMT
#2062
Zergfest in last WoL season, cant say Iam surprised.

I wonder if Taeja could manage to get 2 maps from Soulkey.

MC is the only hope at this point, if he gets over RorO, any other of the remaining Zergs wont be causing any more problems for the Boss Toss.
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
February 21 2013 22:31 GMT
#2063
On February 22 2013 07:05 Inzan1ty wrote:
Zergfest in last WoL season, cant say Iam surprised.

I wonder if Taeja could manage to get 2 maps from Soulkey.

MC is the only hope at this point, if he gets over RorO, any other of the remaining Zergs wont be causing any more problems for the Boss Toss.


Well if he can beat Roro a semi vs Soulkey should be very doable.
vs Taeja could be harder for him with his PvT looking weaker than PvZ lately.

That said: Curious is my pick for the strongest ZvP in the tournament. I would love to see a MC vs Curious grand final. That's my hope at the moment. I mean it would even have a cool set up. Ro32 MC 2-0. Ro16 Curious 2-0.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
February 21 2013 22:49 GMT
#2064
On February 22 2013 03:26 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 03:17 Daswollvieh wrote:
How come people talk about current SC2 being boring?

Either they watch it and don´t enjoy it, then: Don´t watch it.
Or they don´t watch it, but talk about it anyway, then: Shut up, you don´t know what you´re talking about.



SC2 isn't boring. Zerg matchups suck. Huge difference.

this.
TvT is insanely good almost every single game I watch. TvP is exciting in mid and early game too. But ZvX is just a snore fest. Even PvP is better than ZvZ to me.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
February 21 2013 22:54 GMT
#2065
On February 22 2013 07:49 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 03:26 TimENT wrote:
On February 22 2013 03:17 Daswollvieh wrote:
How come people talk about current SC2 being boring?

Either they watch it and don´t enjoy it, then: Don´t watch it.
Or they don´t watch it, but talk about it anyway, then: Shut up, you don´t know what you´re talking about.



SC2 isn't boring. Zerg matchups suck. Huge difference.

this.
TvT is insanely good almost every single game I watch. TvP is exciting in mid and early game too. But ZvX is just a snore fest. Even PvP is better than ZvZ to me.

ZvT can be really good if the Zerg plays like DRG with Zergling/Baneling/Muta.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 23:32:12
February 21 2013 23:31 GMT
#2066
can't believe what a joke the gsl has become not even at the height of Gom tvt was it as bad as this crap. Might as well forget about playing the ro4 and finals and say fruitdealer wins because the way Zerg is balenced I am sure he could win just as easy as curious

User was warned for this post
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cortx
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 23:44:19
February 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#2067
Wow... love all this Z hate. Innovations game 4 just showed how powerful Terran can be. Is it so hard to think that these Zerg players are actually amazingly good and just have better nights?

DRG falling in a group of 3 Terrans?
Parting beating Life and Bbong?

After reading posts blaming balance it's as if you'll only be happy if the game had 2 races T and P...

As far what is BETTER TO WATCH because it's INTERESTING; the only mirror match up I like is TvT. Every TvT is epic and just insane to watch. LOVE IT!

But don't start bashing zerg players that make it because they've put in a lot of effort and it's so disrespectful to detract from that.
Hadley88
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany267 Posts
February 22 2013 00:04 GMT
#2068
Would this be the first time the Top4 is 100% Zerg?
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
February 22 2013 00:12 GMT
#2069
On February 22 2013 08:43 cortx wrote:
Wow... love all this Z hate. Innovations game 4 just showed how powerful Terran can be. Is it so hard to think that these Zerg players are actually amazingly good and just have better nights?

DRG falling in a group of 3 Terrans?
Parting beating Life and Bbong?

After reading posts blaming balance it's as if you'll only be happy if the game had 2 races T and P...

As far what is BETTER TO WATCH because it's INTERESTING; the only mirror match up I like is TvT. Every TvT is epic and just insane to watch. LOVE IT!

But don't start bashing zerg players that make it because they've put in a lot of effort and it's so disrespectful to detract from that.


People aren't blaming the players. They obviously want to win because they kind of like money and furthering their professional SC2 career. What makes it shitty for the observers is when you're constantly watching ZvZ finals for the final 7-8 months of WoL -OR- you see a Protoss or Terran edge into the semi-finals/finals just to get pushed out anyways to make the zerg race king once again. It's incredibly predictable.

I'd go off to say Innovation and Parting had a way higher chance of beating zergs in the semi-finals/finals than Taeja and MC have even if they move forward. I just think they're better players right now. It's just going to be a huge disappointment if we have to see someone like MC or Taeja that everyone loves make it to the finals and get 4-0'd by late game zerg compositions when they realize all they have to do is play safe and collect their bank.
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unteqair
Profile Joined November 2011
United States308 Posts
February 22 2013 00:17 GMT
#2070
Excellent results. It'd be great if Taeja won, but I want to see MC lose, whether in the RO8 or RO4, so people get even more livid. TL hates it when Protoss players lose.

People are already setting themselves up for the next matches, saying they expect an all Z finals. If that happens, they'll say that they told you so. If it doesn't, then they'll say, "WOW MC/Taeja so good!"
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
February 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#2071
Game 4 rebroadcast of Symbol vs Innovation is on the GomTv twitch page right now. Check it out since everyone hyped the game so much.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
February 22 2013 01:05 GMT
#2072
omg what a great game it was Holy check!... i thought Innovation was done but his multitasking is awesome, atacking multiple location making the Zerg lose control of the map i avoiding being attack.. damn! greaaaaaaat game!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
totauksz
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Ghana190 Posts
February 22 2013 01:09 GMT
#2073
On February 22 2013 09:12 Maesy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 08:43 cortx wrote:
Wow... love all this Z hate. Innovations game 4 just showed how powerful Terran can be. Is it so hard to think that these Zerg players are actually amazingly good and just have better nights?

DRG falling in a group of 3 Terrans?
Parting beating Life and Bbong?

After reading posts blaming balance it's as if you'll only be happy if the game had 2 races T and P...

As far what is BETTER TO WATCH because it's INTERESTING; the only mirror match up I like is TvT. Every TvT is epic and just insane to watch. LOVE IT!

But don't start bashing zerg players that make it because they've put in a lot of effort and it's so disrespectful to detract from that.


People aren't blaming the players. They obviously want to win because they kind of like money and furthering their professional SC2 career. What makes it shitty for the observers is when you're constantly watching ZvZ finals for the final 7-8 months of WoL -OR- you see a Protoss or Terran edge into the semi-finals/finals just to get pushed out anyways to make the zerg race king once again. It's incredibly predictable.

I'd go off to say Innovation and Parting had a way higher chance of beating zergs in the semi-finals/finals than Taeja and MC have even if they move forward. I just think they're better players right now. It's just going to be a huge disappointment if we have to see someone like MC or Taeja that everyone loves make it to the finals and get 4-0'd by late game zerg compositions when they realize all they have to do is play safe and collect their bank.


my feelings exactly

but I secretly hope that MC's wildcard-like play can make him win

but nah in truth no. it will be just another zerg 99%
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#2074
Im so glad Curious crushed Parting. I like Parting, and the way he plays - but after Startale lost Parting and Squirtle, i felt bad for them. So its good to see them still on top :D

Also loving the tears about all Zerg final. As soon as the innovation train ran out of fuel, the tears spewed despite 3 more bo5s to be played.

Z v Z finals doesnt really interest me either, but im not gonna piss my pants about it *cossack dance*

Rooting for Taeja and MC! Always wanted Taeja to win a GSL, and MC getting his 3rd would be an awesome story :D

Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 01:44:51
February 22 2013 01:43 GMT
#2075
holy spines batman!

ohhhh liberate you spoiled me the last series TT
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
the_business_og
Profile Joined April 2012
United States167 Posts
February 22 2013 01:46 GMT
#2076
On February 22 2013 10:09 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 09:12 Maesy wrote:
On February 22 2013 08:43 cortx wrote:
Wow... love all this Z hate. Innovations game 4 just showed how powerful Terran can be. Is it so hard to think that these Zerg players are actually amazingly good and just have better nights?

DRG falling in a group of 3 Terrans?
Parting beating Life and Bbong?

After reading posts blaming balance it's as if you'll only be happy if the game had 2 races T and P...

As far what is BETTER TO WATCH because it's INTERESTING; the only mirror match up I like is TvT. Every TvT is epic and just insane to watch. LOVE IT!

But don't start bashing zerg players that make it because they've put in a lot of effort and it's so disrespectful to detract from that.


People aren't blaming the players. They obviously want to win because they kind of like money and furthering their professional SC2 career. What makes it shitty for the observers is when you're constantly watching ZvZ finals for the final 7-8 months of WoL -OR- you see a Protoss or Terran edge into the semi-finals/finals just to get pushed out anyways to make the zerg race king once again. It's incredibly predictable.

I'd go off to say Innovation and Parting had a way higher chance of beating zergs in the semi-finals/finals than Taeja and MC have even if they move forward. I just think they're better players right now. It's just going to be a huge disappointment if we have to see someone like MC or Taeja that everyone loves make it to the finals and get 4-0'd by late game zerg compositions when they realize all they have to do is play safe and collect their bank.


my feelings exactly

but I secretly hope that MC's wildcard-like play can make him win

but nah in truth no. it will be just another zerg 99%

i agree, but i think a little piece of me feels that Taeja has a chance. He deserves a GSL
shanti
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 22 2013 02:22 GMT
#2077
On February 22 2013 10:43 Topin wrote:
holy spines batman!

ohhhh liberate you spoiled me the last series TT


Sorry mate I always assumed the LR thread would be a minefield of spoilers and to be avoided prior to watching the games
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
February 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#2078
I just want to say thanks, Gom, for the rebroadcasting. It's making it so I don't die of sleep deprivation.

Oh, and I've got a restless heart...
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
February 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#2079
Oh snap Curious and Symbol :O

Both rock solid players. Shame Bogus couldn't pull through in the end and sad that Parting apparently got pwned though
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
February 22 2013 02:32 GMT
#2080
On February 22 2013 11:22 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 10:43 Topin wrote:
holy spines batman!

ohhhh liberate you spoiled me the last series TT


Sorry mate I always assumed the LR thread would be a minefield of spoilers and to be avoided prior to watching the games



dont worry :D is arisk i take just to comment the games, i cant watch them live so i come here w/o reading pages.. still good games :D
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
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