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memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
January 13 2013 01:39 GMT
#1101
On January 13 2013 10:26 SC2Kerri wrote:
I know its Iron Squid Thread here, but you closed my thread, and i dunno why, if we can speak about that, tell me where on TL thx


Balance thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254
SC2Kerri
Profile Joined November 2010
France91 Posts
January 13 2013 01:45 GMT
#1102
Ok, i will try that, but honestly, first my english sucks, and i really want to discuss about that, to compare what people think about that, cause i do not pretend to think that i'm right, its an idea, and i would like all the developed, to be sur its may be the problem
but thanks for the advice
O'Gaming SC2 Producer / Nation Wars /Iron Squid / External Tournament Parternership
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 02:01:56
January 13 2013 01:59 GMT
#1103
Looking at the brackets, I would say DRG vs. Life finals is the most probable thing. But any of these players could beat each other on a given day with the possible exception of Goswser (no offense)

and oh damn the quaterfinals are tomorrow???!!!
#TheOneTrueDong
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 13 2013 02:02 GMT
#1104
On January 13 2013 10:59 TommyP wrote:
Looking at the brackets, I would say DRG vs. Life finals is the most probable thing. But any of these players could beat each other on a given day with the possible exception of Goswser (no offense)

and oh damn the quaterfinals are tomorrow???!!!

Yes sir ! 18:00 CET
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
January 13 2013 02:41 GMT
#1105
Hey look...

+ Show Spoiler +
All 4 zergs won


It may be getting old but I'm still really happy the foreign players are still representing against Koreans -- despite what any of the nay sayers might...nay say.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
January 13 2013 03:12 GMT
#1106
lol wut parting lost to nestea
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 13 2013 03:15 GMT
#1107
On January 13 2013 12:12 X3GoldDot wrote:
lol wut parting lost to nestea

Yeah it was a crazy fuck-the-metagame series with cheeses, trade bases, etc. Very entertaining !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
January 13 2013 04:12 GMT
#1108
On January 13 2013 12:15 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:12 X3GoldDot wrote:
lol wut parting lost to nestea

Yeah it was a crazy fuck-the-metagame series with cheeses, trade bases, etc. Very entertaining !

A testament to the state of SC2 when standard games have us all banging our heads against our desks but weird stuff and cheese gets us excited.
blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
January 13 2013 05:43 GMT
#1109
Oh god just saw the results, hopefully winner of MC/MKP will save us from another ZvZ final...
MC and MKP fighting ^^
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
January 13 2013 06:49 GMT
#1110
On January 13 2013 10:25 SC2Kerri wrote:
i agree with you, i am one of the Iron Squid French Casteur, Anoss, and i dont understand why we dont speak about that, to help Blizzard to open eyes

I really think its not a unit problem, the most part is on the map control, Zerg see all, on Daybreak or Cloud its like you can see so easily what go outside ... Look if a Terran or a Protoss go aggressive, you will see some gateway or barackement hide on the map, Zerg, you do a pool if you dont see UNIT or DRONE you cant know if its aggressive or macro.. he dosnt make any sens... Zerg is the most difficult to read, and its zerg who has the best map control ( i know Zerg is a reactive race so he need them, but may be not so much...)

Nonsense. I bet you're one of those foreign players who plays the race that seems to be loved most by the foreigners.

Not that I have no opinion on balance in general, but today's games were nothing to do with balance.

Nestea v. Parting: Nestea chessed his way against Parting and in the last game Parting kept banging his head against spines instead of taking out undefended expansions. Hardly an indication of balance

Scarlet v. Symbol: Self-explantory

MMA v.Stephano: MMA in current shape simply isn't relevant discussing top-level play. Do you think MMA would have a better chance against T or P? I don't.

DRG v. Creator: Extremely close games that could have gone either way. These two have exchanged quite a few wins and losses in the past. No one would be surprised the result went either way and no one should attempt to deduce balance from these games if one's being honest.

Besides which, there is a designated balance forum. (Which was created when TL declared how protoss was underpowered, coincidently).
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 13 2013 06:51 GMT
#1111
On January 13 2013 15:49 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:25 SC2Kerri wrote:
i agree with you, i am one of the Iron Squid French Casteur, Anoss, and i dont understand why we dont speak about that, to help Blizzard to open eyes

I really think its not a unit problem, the most part is on the map control, Zerg see all, on Daybreak or Cloud its like you can see so easily what go outside ... Look if a Terran or a Protoss go aggressive, you will see some gateway or barackement hide on the map, Zerg, you do a pool if you dont see UNIT or DRONE you cant know if its aggressive or macro.. he dosnt make any sens... Zerg is the most difficult to read, and its zerg who has the best map control ( i know Zerg is a reactive race so he need them, but may be not so much...)

Nonsense. I bet you're one of those foreign players who plays the race that seems to be loved most by the foreigners.

Not that I have no opinion on balance in general, but today's games were nothing to do with balance.

Nestea v. Parting: Nestea chessed his way against Parting and in the last game Parting kept banging his head against spines instead of taking out undefended expansions. Hardly an indication of balance

Scarlet v. Symbol: Self-explantory

MMA v.Stephano: MMA in current shape simply isn't relevant discussing top-level play. Do you think MMA would have a better chance against T or P? I don't.

DRG v. Creator: Extremely close games that could have gone either way. These two have exchanged quite a few wins and losses in the past. No one would be surprised the result went either way and no one should attempt to deduce balance from these games if one's being honest.

Besides which, there is a designated balance forum. (Which was created when TL declared how protoss was underpowered, coincidently).

To be honest MMA's TvT and TvP have looked better than his TvZ lately. Although it's pretty limited what we see from him it did look at least Code A level. He keeps losing to zergs in everything.
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usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
January 13 2013 06:52 GMT
#1112
*cheesed*
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
January 13 2013 07:00 GMT
#1113
I mean, Nestea is notorious for his shitty late games and horrendous infestor-BL play. (which is why he so often relies on cheeses, all-in's, or base trades) It was the only surprise of the day to me, which in all honesty could have been prevented had parting played a bit more cautiously.
SC2Kerri
Profile Joined November 2010
France91 Posts
January 13 2013 10:11 GMT
#1114
On January 13 2013 15:49 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:25 SC2Kerri wrote:
i agree with you, i am one of the Iron Squid French Casteur, Anoss, and i dont understand why we dont speak about that, to help Blizzard to open eyes

I really think its not a unit problem, the most part is on the map control, Zerg see all, on Daybreak or Cloud its like you can see so easily what go outside ... Look if a Terran or a Protoss go aggressive, you will see some gateway or barackement hide on the map, Zerg, you do a pool if you dont see UNIT or DRONE you cant know if its aggressive or macro.. he dosnt make any sens... Zerg is the most difficult to read, and its zerg who has the best map control ( i know Zerg is a reactive race so he need them, but may be not so much...)

Nonsense. I bet you're one of those foreign players who plays the race that seems to be loved most by the foreigners.

Not that I have no opinion on balance in general, but today's games were nothing to do with balance.

Nestea v. Parting: Nestea chessed his way against Parting and in the last game Parting kept banging his head against spines instead of taking out undefended expansions. Hardly an indication of balance

Scarlet v. Symbol: Self-explantory

MMA v.Stephano: MMA in current shape simply isn't relevant discussing top-level play. Do you think MMA would have a better chance against T or P? I don't.

DRG v. Creator: Extremely close games that could have gone either way. These two have exchanged quite a few wins and losses in the past. No one would be surprised the result went either way and no one should attempt to deduce balance from these games if one's being honest.

Besides which, there is a designated balance forum. (Which was created when TL declared how protoss was underpowered, coincidently).


I'm sorry but how you can say that ? it's cause of this kind of reflection that we can't speak about balance on TL...

First, what i play its not important, what you play too, i am a Caster i see a lot of game all day, and i see just Zerg in final, its a fact.. i m sure you are the first to whine against ZvZ.. demi ZvZ final ZvZ... what's the problem? you play zerg and loose against terran or protoss on ladder so you can't accepct we have a problem ? come on open your eyes plz

Secondly i speak about timing and vision, you make a resumed of the 4 game... thx, but i casted all i remenber too you dont see that Parting, at the end thought ok... i can't go Forge expo.. its not safe, cause Nestea played cheesed a lot ? sound legit ? why not .. so explain to me, why MMA can't win with a double 11 non scouted... just with the overlord.. counter just with 15 drone.. and he knows at the second when B2 is on the natural...seriously...

and yes now i know for the " balannce" forum, but its a thread all ready open, with a lot of different discuss inside, its not interessant, i will make a thread but on bnet

++
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 11:55:39
January 13 2013 11:26 GMT
#1115
Oops, French people on the streets protesting against zerg - gg Blizzard. tt

But really, people should watch the games, they were particularly good. I also like what pairs we get for the next round.

As for Nestea - Nestea loves this tournament. Last time he made Ro4, he went to Paris, people treated him like God, he was enjoying every minute of it. The grin never left his face, even after losses. So he does everything he can to get there again. I bet if someone asks Nestea what tournament in his long career was the most fun for him, he'd say Iron Squid 1.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
January 13 2013 11:27 GMT
#1116
4 zergs advance? lol oh well poor marineking
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
January 13 2013 12:07 GMT
#1117
On January 13 2013 12:12 X3GoldDot wrote:
lol wut parting lost to nestea


Spinecrawlers are good. More spinecrawlers are very good. Even more spinecrawlers are even better. If you watch the final game, you'll understand.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
January 13 2013 12:47 GMT
#1118
On January 13 2013 19:11 SC2Kerri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 15:49 usethis2 wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:25 SC2Kerri wrote:
i agree with you, i am one of the Iron Squid French Casteur, Anoss, and i dont understand why we dont speak about that, to help Blizzard to open eyes

I really think its not a unit problem, the most part is on the map control, Zerg see all, on Daybreak or Cloud its like you can see so easily what go outside ... Look if a Terran or a Protoss go aggressive, you will see some gateway or barackement hide on the map, Zerg, you do a pool if you dont see UNIT or DRONE you cant know if its aggressive or macro.. he dosnt make any sens... Zerg is the most difficult to read, and its zerg who has the best map control ( i know Zerg is a reactive race so he need them, but may be not so much...)

Nonsense. I bet you're one of those foreign players who plays the race that seems to be loved most by the foreigners.

Not that I have no opinion on balance in general, but today's games were nothing to do with balance.

Nestea v. Parting: Nestea chessed his way against Parting and in the last game Parting kept banging his head against spines instead of taking out undefended expansions. Hardly an indication of balance

Scarlet v. Symbol: Self-explantory

MMA v.Stephano: MMA in current shape simply isn't relevant discussing top-level play. Do you think MMA would have a better chance against T or P? I don't.

DRG v. Creator: Extremely close games that could have gone either way. These two have exchanged quite a few wins and losses in the past. No one would be surprised the result went either way and no one should attempt to deduce balance from these games if one's being honest.

Besides which, there is a designated balance forum. (Which was created when TL declared how protoss was underpowered, coincidently).


I'm sorry but how you can say that ? it's cause of this kind of reflection that we can't speak about balance on TL...

First, what i play its not important, what you play too, i am a Caster i see a lot of game all day, and i see just Zerg in final, its a fact.. i m sure you are the first to whine against ZvZ.. demi ZvZ final ZvZ... what's the problem? you play zerg and loose against terran or protoss on ladder so you can't accepct we have a problem ? come on open your eyes plz

Secondly i speak about timing and vision, you make a resumed of the 4 game... thx, but i casted all i remenber too you dont see that Parting, at the end thought ok... i can't go Forge expo.. its not safe, cause Nestea played cheesed a lot ? sound legit ? why not .. so explain to me, why MMA can't win with a double 11 non scouted... just with the overlord.. counter just with 15 drone.. and he knows at the second when B2 is on the natural...seriously...

and yes now i know for the " balannce" forum, but its a thread all ready open, with a lot of different discuss inside, its not interessant, i will make a thread but on bnet

++

sorry, but this is non-sense. seems like you don't know nothing about the game lol
also, there is a thread for balance discussion.
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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 12:52:13
January 13 2013 12:48 GMT
#1119
On January 13 2013 20:26 figq wrote:
Oops, French people on the streets protesting against zerg - gg Blizzard. tt

But really, people should watch the games, they were particularly good. I also like what pairs we get for the next round.

As for Nestea - Nestea loves this tournament. Last time he made Ro4, he went to Paris, people treated him like God, he was enjoying every minute of it. The grin never left his face, even after losses. So he does everything he can to get there again. I bet if someone asks Nestea what tournament in his long career was the most fun for him, he'd say Iron Squid 1.


He said something like that (among the foreign tournament though)


On January 13 2013 20:26 SC2Kerri wrote:
I'm sorry but how you can say that ? it's cause of this kind of reflection that we can't speak about balance on TL...

First, what i play its not important, what you play too, i am a Caster i see a lot of game all day, and i see just Zerg in final, its a fact.. i m sure you are the first to whine against ZvZ.. demi ZvZ final ZvZ... what's the problem? you play zerg and loose against terran or protoss on ladder so you can't accepct we have a problem ? come on open your eyes plz

Secondly i speak about timing and vision, you make a resumed of the 4 game... thx, but i casted all i remenber too you dont see that Parting, at the end thought ok... i can't go Forge expo.. its not safe, cause Nestea played cheesed a lot ? sound legit ? why not .. so explain to me, why MMA can't win with a double 11 non scouted... just with the overlord.. counter just with 15 drone.. and he knows at the second when B2 is on the natural...seriously...

and yes now i know for the " balannce" forum, but its a thread all ready open, with a lot of different discuss inside, its not interessant, i will make a thread but on bnet

++

MMA 11 rax in game two won him the game.
MMA 11 rax in game three didn't win him the game because Stephano was expecting it (even though he doesn't scout, you see he has his probes ready and start zerglings much faster) and had a great response, but it put MMA ahead. After that MMA was leading until he made bad decisions like not retreating in the fight versus Stepĥano's roach in the middlegame for example. The best player won that game, but if both were even in skill, MMA would have won that game.
In the last game, MMA failed completely.

About Parting vs Nestea, you honestly can't use balance here. The games were surprising, entertaining and Parting should have won.
Maybe you could say that zerg require less practice than terran so foreigners tends to be zerg (or protoss) and korean terrans are more easily burned out or injured so at the end of this season/year zergs won more. But don't worry about protosses, they won more money than zergs in 2012 and as much big tournaments (http://www.teamliquid.net/events/ and sc2earnings if you want to make sure yourself).
totauksz
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Ghana190 Posts
January 13 2013 13:27 GMT
#1120
what only 6 zergs remain?

go mkp.
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