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On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts".
Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. The only insecure people are huge amount of fanboys thinking he'd be able to win the whole thing.
It's hilarious to see Stephano usually gets 2nd or 3rd most votes for "most likely winner" before MLG Championship and IPL 5, then proceeds to get eliminated on day 1.
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On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner.
Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago.
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On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago.
I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take the most prestigious tournaments with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that tournaments like MLG and IPL from now on will certainly be taken by a Korean.
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On December 04 2012 09:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:50 Otolia wrote:On December 04 2012 09:33 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano is the foreigner version of Bomber. Can be amazing time to time, but I really wouldn't bet on him winning the most prestigious tournaments nowadays. Mid-Code S level at best. Had EG not sent him to Korea he would have probably do better than just win LSC 2 this month. Because he had no tournaments in October, he didn't trained as hard as he could have. Also for giggles a little comparison of Stephano's and Bomber's results :  Stephano vs. Bomber. Bomber's last tournament win was MLG Raleigh in 2011. He didn't won anything in between September 2011 and now. Whereas Stephano managed to 7 tournaments, that's more than MC - though MC placed high in more tournaments. Stephano was the most successful player in the foreign scene this year koreans included. It doesn't say anything about his level and naysayer like you will continue to deny reality in order to feel better about themselves, but results are evident. Funny thing is I wasn't being a naysayer. In fact I was giving him more than enough credits by saying he's mid-Code S level considering he usually got eliminated by the first good Korean he meets, MLG Fall Championship and IPL 5. He is the "most successful" player in foreign tournaments where the competitions are not the toughest. Winning EU cups and getting placed out of top10 in MLGs and IPL, that's it. How much money do you wanna bet on him on the next MLG championship or premier tournament where the best Koreans attend?
I'll take the same odds as you taking a bet on MC winning a premier tournament where the best Koreans attend. And although I can't allow myself to bet money on that, I am certain you have no more chances of winning than I do. In fact based on history (just speculation then) you have less.
Stephano isn't the best player in the world, neither is PartinG (winner of WCS and WCG) neither is Leenock. A player cannot win regularly every tournament; it's impossible. Yes TaeJa had a tremendous summer, yes Leenock has the uncanny ability to win huge tournaments every year, and yes MVP still is the king of GSL but neither of those players would be favored to win a tournament over anyone because the skill level is more dense than ever.
Stephano (when he trained sufficiently - him being lazy doesn't help him) can compete with other top Koreans. He has shown it times and times again. But he isn't a favorite to win a tournament like IPL because there is no clear favorite in a tournament where almost all the top players are in.
On December 04 2012 10:15 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago. I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take any premier tournament with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that events like IPL 5 will be taken by a Korean.
I can say the same, Korea has too much of a talent pool to think anything else would happen. It's just statistics, but what's your point here ?
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Hilarious to see the haters make excuses for Stephano beating 6 different Koreans this past weekend. Very amusing. Keep it up, your desperate excuses are most entertaining. Hopefully Stephano will get over his slump and actually start practicing seriously, then he might start playing close to his full potential. Until he does he will just have to be satisfied with his $130,000 prize money for 2012 so far.
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On December 04 2012 10:15 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago. I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take any premier tournament with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that events like IPL 5 will be taken by a Korean.
Well, duh! It's a matter of simple probabilities. When there are ~20 players who are very close in skill, no single player will have a very good chance of winning the tournament. If 17, 18 or 19 of those players are Korean, they will win the tournament 17, 18 or 19 out of 20. That doesn't mean that Stephano isn't a really good player, simply that there are a lot of really good players.
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On December 04 2012 10:15 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago. I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take the most prestigious tournaments with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that tournaments like MLG and IPL from now on will certainly be taken by a Korean.
Why are you speaking about Scarlett?
She never placed as the best foreigner in any tourney she entered(IPL4, MLG, BWC, IPL5)...so what makes you think she can compete for the best foreigner title?
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On December 04 2012 10:16 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:50 Otolia wrote:On December 04 2012 09:33 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano is the foreigner version of Bomber. Can be amazing time to time, but I really wouldn't bet on him winning the most prestigious tournaments nowadays. Mid-Code S level at best. Had EG not sent him to Korea he would have probably do better than just win LSC 2 this month. Because he had no tournaments in October, he didn't trained as hard as he could have. Also for giggles a little comparison of Stephano's and Bomber's results : Stephano vs. Bomber. Bomber's last tournament win was MLG Raleigh in 2011. He didn't won anything in between September 2011 and now. Whereas Stephano managed to 7 tournaments, that's more than MC - though MC placed high in more tournaments. Stephano was the most successful player in the foreign scene this year koreans included. It doesn't say anything about his level and naysayer like you will continue to deny reality in order to feel better about themselves, but results are evident. Funny thing is I wasn't being a naysayer. In fact I was giving him more than enough credits by saying he's mid-Code S level considering he usually got eliminated by the first good Korean he meets, MLG Fall Championship and IPL 5. He is the "most successful" player in foreign tournaments where the competitions are not the toughest. Winning EU cups and getting placed out of top10 in MLGs and IPL, that's it. How much money do you wanna bet on him on the next MLG championship or premier tournament where the best Koreans attend? I'll take the same odds as you taking a bet on MC winning a premier tournament where the best Koreans attend. And although I can't allow myself to bet money on that, I am certain you have no more chances of winning than I do. In fact based on history (just speculation then) you have less. Stephano isn't the best player in the world, neither is PartinG (winner of WCS and WCG) neither is Leenock. A player cannot win regularly every tournament; it's impossible. Yes TaeJa had a tremendous summer, yes Leenock has the uncanny ability to win huge tournaments every year, and yes MVP still is the king of GSL but neither of those players would be favored to win a tournament over anyone because the skill level is more dense than ever. Stephano (when he trained sufficiently - him being lazy doesn't help him) can compete with other top Koreans. He has shown it times and times again. But he isn't a favorite to win a tournament like IPL because there is no clear favorite in a tournament where almost all the top players are in. Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:15 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago. I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take any premier tournament with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that events like IPL 5 will be taken by a Korean. I can say the same, Korea has too much of a talent pool to think anything else would happen. It's just statistics, but what's your point here ?
No player would be able to win every tournament, not even Flash at his prime in BW. But there is always a favorite to win the whole thing. In fact, I had always believed Leenock would win IPL 5 before the event started, and I'm sure I had a good guess. I could've gone with Life, but I'd never bet on Stephano. And I'm sure you see my reason.
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On December 04 2012 10:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 10:16 Otolia wrote:On December 04 2012 09:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:50 Otolia wrote:On December 04 2012 09:33 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano is the foreigner version of Bomber. Can be amazing time to time, but I really wouldn't bet on him winning the most prestigious tournaments nowadays. Mid-Code S level at best. Had EG not sent him to Korea he would have probably do better than just win LSC 2 this month. Because he had no tournaments in October, he didn't trained as hard as he could have. Also for giggles a little comparison of Stephano's and Bomber's results : Stephano vs. Bomber. Bomber's last tournament win was MLG Raleigh in 2011. He didn't won anything in between September 2011 and now. Whereas Stephano managed to 7 tournaments, that's more than MC - though MC placed high in more tournaments. Stephano was the most successful player in the foreign scene this year koreans included. It doesn't say anything about his level and naysayer like you will continue to deny reality in order to feel better about themselves, but results are evident. Funny thing is I wasn't being a naysayer. In fact I was giving him more than enough credits by saying he's mid-Code S level considering he usually got eliminated by the first good Korean he meets, MLG Fall Championship and IPL 5. He is the "most successful" player in foreign tournaments where the competitions are not the toughest. Winning EU cups and getting placed out of top10 in MLGs and IPL, that's it. How much money do you wanna bet on him on the next MLG championship or premier tournament where the best Koreans attend? I'll take the same odds as you taking a bet on MC winning a premier tournament where the best Koreans attend. And although I can't allow myself to bet money on that, I am certain you have no more chances of winning than I do. In fact based on history (just speculation then) you have less. Stephano isn't the best player in the world, neither is PartinG (winner of WCS and WCG) neither is Leenock. A player cannot win regularly every tournament; it's impossible. Yes TaeJa had a tremendous summer, yes Leenock has the uncanny ability to win huge tournaments every year, and yes MVP still is the king of GSL but neither of those players would be favored to win a tournament over anyone because the skill level is more dense than ever. Stephano (when he trained sufficiently - him being lazy doesn't help him) can compete with other top Koreans. He has shown it times and times again. But he isn't a favorite to win a tournament like IPL because there is no clear favorite in a tournament where almost all the top players are in. On December 04 2012 10:15 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 10:07 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On December 04 2012 10:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 04 2012 09:58 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Funnyto see the same insecure people coming over and over again saying that Stephano is a code A player at best, when nobody takes their opinion on the subject seriously anymore and results and code S players contradict their "facts". Yeah because Stephano did really well at IPL 5 where there was 40k USD on the line. He's results weren't good at all in the most prestigious events he attended this year, not even the best finishing foreigner. Tell me one player who has been consistent in the last 15 months...Stephano has recently had what we can call a slump(his first one); something all top koreans have had once or multiple times in the same period. He even won the last LSC2 where Polt, Bomber and Violet played aswell(three of the top 4 in ipl5) 4 weeks ago. I didn't say he's not good. Even with Scarlett's recent performance I'd still rate him as No.1 foreigner. I'm saying it's SAFE to say he's not favored to take any premier tournament with the toughest competition in it. I can almost guarantee you that events like IPL 5 will be taken by a Korean. I can say the same, Korea has too much of a talent pool to think anything else would happen. It's just statistics, but what's your point here ? No player would be able to win every tournament, not even Flash at his prime in BW. But there is always a favorite to win the whole thing. In fact, I had always believed Leenock would win IPL 5 before the event started, and I'm sure I had a good guess. I could've gone with Life, but I'd never bet on Stephano. And I'm sure you see my reason.
but stephano won more tournaments with big kor names included then the koreans ...
so if he has a good day, he can do X-0 vs every korean and win easy the god damn touranment
but leenocks international performence in foreign events is known so its the easiest pick after he won so many tournaments
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On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2
This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience.
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Ok, let's make it official (hope I don't get banned for this) list 10 players for each side (5 subs).
What SHOULD be the roster for Korean All-Stars and World All-Stars. I think this is AWESOME btw. Can't wait to beat the Koreans.
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On December 04 2012 12:56 ViktorSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2 This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience.
same age as life :p
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On December 04 2012 15:30 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:56 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2 This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience. same age as life :p
and prob a lot of other players but life just plays his game. creator plays his opponent which is harder, you need experience. yes?
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On December 04 2012 15:39 ViktorSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 15:30 opterown wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2 This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience. same age as life :p and prob a lot of other players but life just plays his game. creator plays his opponent which is harder, you need experience. yes?
despite all the talk of life just playing his game i'm sure he plays his opponent just as much as anyone else.
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On December 04 2012 15:42 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 15:39 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 15:30 opterown wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2 This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience. same age as life :p and prob a lot of other players but life just plays his game. creator plays his opponent which is harder, you need experience. yes? despite all the talk of life just playing his game i'm sure he plays his opponent just as much as anyone else.
nah, life just plays his game. first of all, i doubt he studied (15) ALL the players he beat in GSTL, who would know all the styles that was in Zenex. creator, prob being groomed by MKP, teaching him all the ropes.
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On December 04 2012 07:39 ziDwaiT wrote:Btw if someone missed it, I made an highlights video of the Day 2 : Herefeedbacks are welcome : )
Really apreciated.
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its psychology. 15 year olds are clueless unless they have a mentor.
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On December 04 2012 16:02 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 07:39 ziDwaiT wrote:Btw if someone missed it, I made an highlights video of the Day 2 : Herefeedbacks are welcome : ) Really apreciated.
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On December 04 2012 16:01 ViktorSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 15:42 opterown wrote:On December 04 2012 15:39 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 15:30 opterown wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 09:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On December 04 2012 07:55 ViktorSC wrote:On December 04 2012 01:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 03 2012 14:57 GregMandel wrote:
Stepano pls
Seriously, he's been failing against players he used to stomp recently and then goes 4-1 against the best koreans in the world atm.
Lolwut stephano. To be fair those are not the best Koreans in the world except for Life. MC/Seed/Squirtle are not even top 10 Koreans. DRG might be barely top 10. You are right. WHO IS? and who are the best on the world side? Would anyone mind listing them? Sniper, Leenock, Creator, HyuN, Taeja, HerO, Ryung, PartinG, Rain. Does MVP count? idk, probably missed 1 or 2 This seems correct. But I think Creator is a tad young still, needs a little more experience. same age as life :p and prob a lot of other players but life just plays his game. creator plays his opponent which is harder, you need experience. yes? despite all the talk of life just playing his game i'm sure he plays his opponent just as much as anyone else. nah, life just plays his game. first of all, i doubt he studied (15) ALL the players he beat in GSTL, who would know all the styles that was in Zenex. creator, prob being groomed by MKP, teaching him all the ropes.
i hardly think mkp is a good mentor haha
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