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IndoPr0
Profile Joined December 2012
Indonesia10 Posts
December 03 2012 16:23 GMT
#5021
Any VoDs?
If a loss means 10 push ups, when the end of the season arrives, no more fat!
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 03 2012 17:20 GMT
#5022
Remember when zerg was the weakest race and you couldn't go five minutes without hearing some Z threaten to switch to terran?

Not saying they're OP now, just being wistful.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#5023
oh come on...just wanted to watch the rebroadcast and the stream crashes during the final game. :/
xlord 5:0
Glubschauge
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1216 Posts
December 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#5024
yeah
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:43:58
December 03 2012 17:43 GMT
#5025
On December 04 2012 02:20 The KY wrote:
Remember when zerg was the weakest race and you couldn't go five minutes without hearing some Z threaten to switch to terran?

Not saying they're OP now, just being wistful.


No, I don't remember when Zerg was nearly as bad as Terran is now... I remember Fruitdealer winning a GSL and IdrA winnings MLGs, etc, but not 3 foreign zergs in a ro32 of a tournament and not making top 13.
Glubschauge
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1216 Posts
December 03 2012 17:45 GMT
#5026
http://de.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/344469837

@~37:36
the final match starts
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:57:07
December 03 2012 17:50 GMT
#5027
On December 04 2012 02:45 Glubschauge wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/344469837

@~37:36
the final match starts


Just to be a bit more specific, that's the timestamp for the very last game indeed.
Dont go there if you want to watch the full final.

Vods of all broadcasted matches, aswell as interviews by Lani & Megumi will be up over at http://www.youtube.com/user/IGNProLeague/videos aswell.
Though Day4 isnt uploaded yet atm, but should be soon-ish.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
December 03 2012 17:50 GMT
#5028
On December 04 2012 02:43 Scholera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 02:20 The KY wrote:
Remember when zerg was the weakest race and you couldn't go five minutes without hearing some Z threaten to switch to terran?

Not saying they're OP now, just being wistful.


No, I don't remember when Zerg was nearly as bad as Terran is now... I remember Fruitdealer winning a GSL and IdrA winnings MLGs, etc, but not 3 foreign zergs in a ro32 of a tournament and not making top 13.

lets hear how you'd improve foreign terrans to protoss and zerg level without making korean terrans godlike
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 03 2012 17:59 GMT
#5029
On December 03 2012 17:50 Parcelleus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 17:45 Chill Penguin wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:38 Parcelleus wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:29 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote:
Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:

Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.

*shakes head in disgust*

violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol


Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.


I dont like the format at all - that is my point.

Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.

As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?

When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.



In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.

So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?



You keep speaking in terms of a double elimination - yeah I know how it works , as I said, I dont like it. And I dont think it has the spirit of what a Grand final should be.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 17:46 Sesshin wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:38 Parcelleus wrote:

As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?

When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.



You not getting it.


That you keep talking in terms of double elim, sure.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 17:49 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:45 Parcelleus wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:43 Sesshin wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:38 Parcelleus wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:29 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote:
Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:

Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.

*shakes head in disgust*

violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol


Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.


I dont like the format at all - that is my point.

Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.

As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?

When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.



You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.

This is like eSports 101...



I get it, I don't like it.

You seemed to of missed the point I made.

Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.


No he's right. You still don't get it and are missing the point. You keep saying violet won 3-2 and that we should have a problem with that. You fail to acknowledge that Leenock had yet to lose a series up until that point, while violet already lost to him 3-1 earlier. Therefore, if leenock got eliminated after losing 1 series and being the only player in the entire tournament not to get a second chance, you don't see a problem with that?

If it was single elim, violet would have been eliminated earlier and leenock would have won hours ago.


As above, Im not talking in terms of double elim.

Im not saying Leenock doesnt deserve to be champion, Im saying Grand final that include earlier games I dont agree with at all.


It technically didn't include the earlier games... because both series started from scratch. Yes, you aren't talking in terms of double elimination but it IS a double elimination tournament.

-_-

The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 03 2012 18:00 GMT
#5030
On December 04 2012 02:43 Scholera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 02:20 The KY wrote:
Remember when zerg was the weakest race and you couldn't go five minutes without hearing some Z threaten to switch to terran?

Not saying they're OP now, just being wistful.


No, I don't remember when Zerg was nearly as bad as Terran is now... I remember Fruitdealer winning a GSL and IdrA winnings MLGs, etc, but not 3 foreign zergs in a ro32 of a tournament and not making top 13.


And so, the balance whiners persist, in differing forms.

For the record though, Fruitdealer won the first GSL because everyone was TEEEEERRIBLE and IdrA won against a bunch of foreigners when he was one of the top 10 players in the world. I never thought it was that bad really but I also don't think it's that bad now.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 18:07:19
December 03 2012 18:06 GMT
#5031
On December 03 2012 17:57 Parcelleus wrote:
Thats nice, as I said, any format that includes earlier games in a Grand final I dont agree with, same goes for semi-finals BO3 (should be at least BO5).


Technically the semi-finals were a bo5. Winners final was a semi-final bo5 which Leenock won 3-1 over Violet.

Losers final Violet beats Polt 3-2 which is arguably another semi-final.

Your bitching and moaning about double elimination tournaments. Unfortunately every player coming from the winners bracket is going to have some sort of advantage because like I just said. It's a double elimination tournament and all formats are different.

Whether it be a best of seven with the winner up a game, extended series (ewwww), winning two best of series (2 bo3's, 2 bo5s or in this case 1 bo5 and a bo3).

Look, I'm not a big fan of double elimination either. It can make for very anti-climatic series. If I had it my way once you lost a set you'd be out.

I'm very old school in that regard and it makes for better television. That's why we still have group play.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 03 2012 18:20 GMT
#5032
I like the Frontpage picture a lot. All three of them look happy and friendly. Well viOlet isn't looking very happy, but still.

Very, very good tournament. GOM production was so good. I don't think there has been a multiple days LAN tournament with a this good production quality yet.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
December 03 2012 18:27 GMT
#5033
that ten pool hold (game 1 of the last bo3) just made the ten pool look weak. did violet execute that correctly?
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 03 2012 18:49 GMT
#5034
On December 04 2012 01:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Top 12 Koreans as expected.


What I didn't expect was for HuK to be the top foreigner O_O
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 03 2012 18:57 GMT
#5035
On December 04 2012 03:49 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 01:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Top 12 Koreans as expected.


What I didn't expect was for HuK to be the top foreigner O_O


Xigua and Snute got just as far though.

not that i would have expected either of them to be top foreigners either.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
December 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#5036
On December 04 2012 03:27 Lobotomist wrote:
that ten pool hold (game 1 of the last bo3) just made the ten pool look weak. did violet execute that correctly?


Not really; I believe 10 pool vs 15 hatch is BO win IF you make one spine in the main and one in the natural.
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
December 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#5037
On December 04 2012 02:50 b0rt_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 02:43 Scholera wrote:
On December 04 2012 02:20 The KY wrote:
Remember when zerg was the weakest race and you couldn't go five minutes without hearing some Z threaten to switch to terran?

Not saying they're OP now, just being wistful.


No, I don't remember when Zerg was nearly as bad as Terran is now... I remember Fruitdealer winning a GSL and IdrA winnings MLGs, etc, but not 3 foreign zergs in a ro32 of a tournament and not making top 13.

lets hear how you'd improve foreign terrans to protoss and zerg level without making korean terrans godlike


Revert latest patches. back to 50/50
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 03 2012 20:43 GMT
#5038
Missed the finals but glad to see viOlet take it. Damn, he sure has come a thousand miles and a half as a player. Will dig up those VODS later if I have the time.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
lukasdesign
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland93 Posts
December 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#5039
what a surprise two zerg in finals.,..
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
December 03 2012 21:07 GMT
#5040
Haven't been able to watch a SC2 match in a while.
Won't be starting anytime soon too with the Current Zerg Domination
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
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