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On December 01 2012 14:53 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:41 Weirdkid wrote:On December 01 2012 14:40 dangerjoe wrote:http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/645829) There should be no communication between the players other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' and etc to surrender the game. Hope nothing will come of this though. I like Ryung  Technically, IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA isn't Ryung communicating with Sniper. So no problem.  It's a slippery slope. He should probably be punished, or at least his team should demand him offer an apology. I think it's more likely that TB offers him a high-five for it.
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On December 01 2012 14:58 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:54 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On December 01 2012 14:53 figq wrote: In MOBAs you guys are gonna get a whole lot of disabling area stuns. This is true. You don't like fungal? MOBAs will be like water torture. err you're comparing mechanics between 2 types of genres? You get a lot of stuns and general anti-micro abilities in War3 as well fwiw. War3's spell interaction is a lot less one-dimensional than SC2's though, since you have factors than can mitigate anti-micro spells (burrowing under ensnares at the right time, staffing, dispells, etc.).
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I slowly stopped watching tournaments as they are becoming zerg fests. After first day of IPL I gave up even on major tournaments. Watched GSL today and I hoped Bogus will at least show some light. Now back to not watching this crappy game.
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On December 01 2012 14:58 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:53 vesicular wrote:On December 01 2012 14:41 Weirdkid wrote:On December 01 2012 14:40 dangerjoe wrote:http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/645829) There should be no communication between the players other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' and etc to surrender the game. Hope nothing will come of this though. I like Ryung  Technically, IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA isn't Ryung communicating with Sniper. So no problem.  It's a slippery slope. He should probably be punished, or at least his team should demand him offer an apology. If any apologies are to be issued, it should be Blizzard offering one to the community and all pro players for the mess they've created and are repeatedly refusing to address. Even without considering balance, ZvX is horrifyingly dull for a spectator. This does bring forth a question though Almost every interview nowadays, you'll see something along the lines of "I don't want to face a zerg" or "playing against zerg is very difficult right now" or "infestor good unit, hard to play late-game" or some other kind of not-so-subtle balance whine. Where do we actually draw the line? I mean, people will watch GSL interviews, they'll watch MLG interviews, they'll read all the interviews that teams like Acer throw out.
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On December 01 2012 14:47 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:47 liberate71 wrote:On December 01 2012 14:46 tuho12345 wrote:On December 01 2012 14:43 Rhayader wrote:when a unit dies of fungal/while fungaled it becomes an infested terran -> this change makes perfect sense and would solve a lot of balance issues in the game. no, it'll be infinite line of armies from Zerg and also that's not including fast lings and reinforcement What happens in Z v Z..... NEVER. ENDING. WARS. Holy shit...endless amounts of free units. Not that there aren't enough already, but still.
I hope the finals ends up like this http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/335835005?t=113m if you don't want to watch the beginning of the game here is what I'm referring to http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/335835005?t=131m
every single game just to show how fascinating bl/infestor is xD
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On December 01 2012 14:58 Al Bundy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:48 Riskr wrote: who would have guessed ZvZ.... Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level. ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators. ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol. Man I miss BW ZvZ... So unique and beautiful, almost like an artistic painting. It's not the kind of things one can explain with words  Sc2 ZvZ looks so conventional and boring tbh, but it's still a good matchup.
This is a sentence I never thought I would read in my whole life. Next ill be reading about people saying this miss the old hydra busts in ZvP.
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On December 01 2012 15:00 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:58 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:48 Riskr wrote: who would have guessed ZvZ.... Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level. ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators. ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol. Man I miss BW ZvZ... So unique and beautiful, almost like an artistic painting. It's not the kind of things one can explain with words  Sc2 ZvZ looks so conventional and boring tbh, but it's still a good matchup. So true. :> I still have a place in my heart for it, but showing any guy unfamiliar with it and they'd probably cringe because every little thing counts.  True that
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On December 01 2012 14:58 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:53 vesicular wrote:On December 01 2012 14:41 Weirdkid wrote:On December 01 2012 14:40 dangerjoe wrote:http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/645829) There should be no communication between the players other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' and etc to surrender the game. Hope nothing will come of this though. I like Ryung  Technically, IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA isn't Ryung communicating with Sniper. So no problem.  It's a slippery slope. He should probably be punished, or at least his team should demand him offer an apology. If any apologies are to be issued, it should be Blizzard offering one to the community and all pro players for the mess they've created and are repeatedly refusing to address. Even without considering balance, ZvX is horrifyingly dull for a spectator.
Not saying he's not right, nor that blizz shouldn't figure out a fix already. But throwing a hissy fit in the middle of a game isn't good for the sport.
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On December 01 2012 15:01 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:58 forsooth wrote:On December 01 2012 14:53 vesicular wrote:On December 01 2012 14:41 Weirdkid wrote:On December 01 2012 14:40 dangerjoe wrote:http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/645829) There should be no communication between the players other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' and etc to surrender the game. Hope nothing will come of this though. I like Ryung  Technically, IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA isn't Ryung communicating with Sniper. So no problem.  It's a slippery slope. He should probably be punished, or at least his team should demand him offer an apology. If any apologies are to be issued, it should be Blizzard offering one to the community and all pro players for the mess they've created and are repeatedly refusing to address. Even without considering balance, ZvX is horrifyingly dull for a spectator. This does bring forth a question though Almost every interview nowadays, you'll see something along the lines of "I don't want to face a zerg" or "playing against zerg is very difficult right now" or "infestor good unit, hard to play late-game" or some other kind of not-so-subtle balance whine. Where do we actually draw the line? I mean, people will watch GSL interviews, they'll watch MLG interviews, they'll read all the interviews that teams like Acer throw out.
No whining in-game (as it is now) seems like an appropriate place to draw the line.
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Northern Ireland23721 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:58 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 14:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On December 01 2012 14:40 TiTanIum_ wrote:On December 01 2012 14:36 doffe wrote: whats with TL nowadays.. everyone playing terran or what? During the years ive been on this site never has balance whine been this extreme as the late couple of months.... go play zerg if you think its that easy to get good.. Im not saying the game is obviously fine but its fucking sad to see "zerg imba" when a zerg wins and more or less people saying that the Terran always played better.. this is obviously not the case. The zerg skillset is just not as visually obvious as the terrans is. you dont do fancy micro as zerg but the base mechanichs must be ridicolously good to get to that level. its not a-move... gah, im so tired of all the whiners.. you're the guys that truly are ruining e-sports. I play random. My w/l with the 3 races are: Terran: 33% Protoss: 55% Zerg: 80% wow... Amazing decisive proof.. Since our win rates mean stuff my ZvZ is 70% right now while I barely ever beat Protoss... Haha, well played. I sadly can't play Zerg to go and raceswitch and then claim they're easier because my hotkey layout would have to be completely re-worked  Be like me! Three hotkey setups :D Trolling in bronze all day every day I don't want to troll though I want to see if Zerg would give me the boost/ez mode that some people claim. I got my Terran to slightly below my Protoss level pretty damn quickly because I'm (relatively) good mechanically.
Learning another hotkey layout would be such a pain to try and prove a point, especially to my friends who play Zerg but are terrible at the game. Actually, I may have to do this now, pettiness ftw!
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On December 01 2012 15:00 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:58 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:48 Riskr wrote: who would have guessed ZvZ.... Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level. ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators. ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol. Man I miss BW ZvZ... So unique and beautiful, almost like an artistic painting. It's not the kind of things one can explain with words  Sc2 ZvZ looks so conventional and boring tbh, but it's still a good matchup. So true. :> I still have a place in my heart for it, but showing any guy unfamiliar with it and they'd probably cringe because every little thing counts.  I did not watch much of BW before it "died", but I watched all BW dailies and Sayle's casts and I have to say as somewhat of a newcomer to BW I loved watching ZvZ.
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On December 01 2012 15:00 mcc wrote: I slowly stopped watching tournaments as they are becoming zerg fests. After first day of IPL I gave up even on major tournaments. Watched GSL today and I hoped Bogus will at least show some light. Now back to not watching this crappy game.
Yeah, racial distribution is a problem, since few people enjoy watching ZvZ (or PvP for that matter). TvT at least had variety due to different play styles (marine-tank, bio, mech, and the occasional sky).
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On December 01 2012 15:02 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:59 synapse wrote:On December 01 2012 14:58 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:48 Riskr wrote: who would have guessed ZvZ.... Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level. ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators. ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol. Man I miss BW ZvZ... So unique and beautiful, almost like an artistic painting. It's not the kind of things one can explain with words  Sc2 ZvZ looks so conventional and boring tbh, but it's still a good matchup. Muta micro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roach/Infestor fights Sc2 ZvZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BW ZvZ I had more greater then sign, IM RIGHT
SC2 ZvZ is pretty boring. ling/muta micro battle is way more intense. One ling can change the whole battle.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Dunno why everyone is going nuts over imbaimbaimbagate.
If it's against the rules then Ryung should be punished regardless of whether or not he has a valid opinion. There are rules and they must be followed. Doesn't matter if Ryung had said "cheeseyballs on fire" or "Browder is a hairy nerd"; if GOM have a rule against in game chat then they need to punish him because of the act of chatting, not because of whatever was said in the message (which is irrelevant to the rule)
Have fun arguing about it though
Man, being on TL LR threads always puts me in a lousy mood the rest of the day
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Starcraft 2 has become increasingly terrible to watch from a spectator point of view. So dull and all fights result in heavy use of infestors.
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On December 01 2012 15:00 mcc wrote: I slowly stopped watching tournaments as they are becoming zerg fests. After first day of IPL I gave up even on major tournaments. Watched GSL today and I hoped Bogus will at least show some light. Now back to not watching this crappy game. cya you wont be missed
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On December 01 2012 15:02 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:58 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:On December 01 2012 14:48 Riskr wrote: who would have guessed ZvZ.... Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level. ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators. ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol. Man I miss BW ZvZ... So unique and beautiful, almost like an artistic painting. It's not the kind of things one can explain with words  Sc2 ZvZ looks so conventional and boring tbh, but it's still a good matchup. This is a sentence I never thought I would read in my whole life. Next ill be reading about people saying this miss the old hydra busts in ZvP. Some of the best ZvPs I saw were failed hydra busts that turned into insanely long games.
As for ZvZ, the muta/scourge micro was super intense but there was definitely nothing beautiful about a matchup where the tiniest misclick or misjudgment instantly ended the game at any point.
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