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On December 01 2012 14:50 jnsjr wrote:
It's amazing how fast the community changes. When foreigners express problems with the game or "balance whine" they are maligned and hated by the community. They are called complainers/whiners and their opinions are disregarded. I remember Grubby gave a speech on why he doesn't talk about balance and people lauded him for it. When Koreans do the same thing, its cool?
It seems the only thing that really matters in regards to balance/manners/BM is if the person says something you like. Then it's all graaaavy baby.
nah complaining is just cool now
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On December 01 2012 14:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:46 tuho12345 wrote:On December 01 2012 14:43 Rhayader wrote:when a unit dies of fungal/while fungaled it becomes an infested terran -> this change makes perfect sense and would solve a lot of balance issues in the game. no, it'll be infinite line of armies from Zerg and also that's not including fast lings and reinforcement You just need to match it with a line of bunkers(Units can't be fungaled in a bunker!) Effectively turning TvZ into a professional Tower defence game :D Personally I'm all for this change as I am very good at Tower defence games xD Get at me SKT I'll win you a PL xD
I challenge you at Field Runner
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On December 01 2012 14:49 Adreme wrote:
I would say take HongUn off the Mount Rushmore of evil and put Inca on it becaues Inca cursed us with the worst finals ever by cheesing out Nada and then playing 4 horrible games in the finals.
but you wouldn't see him on the mountain though.
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On December 01 2012 14:48 Kyhol wrote:
Sigh. I hope that one day Starcraft 2 entertains me again. The first time I've ever rathered watching LOL than SC2.
Fungal me this, fungal me that. Fuck it.
I've never played a moba game before, but I'm considering giving it a shot at this point. I just can't believe how bad SC2 has become.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:50 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:47 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:45 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:44 negativedge wrote:
It was classless, that's all that needs to be said. If Ryung wants to let the world know that he thinks the game is unbalanced, that's fine, but there are more appropriate and constructive ways of doing it. Probably, but this majorly ups his fan-base. For every person that thinks that Ryung was being an idiot, there are plenty of others who are applauding him. there are plenty of stupid people who will applaud anything. that's a terrible metric for whether or not something should be done, and it's the reason there are things like "rules" and "laws" and "standards of behavior" in general. it doesn't make ryung a terrible person, but it was a dumb thing to do. ryung was the beneficiary of plenty of GomTvT seasons. Strangely enough, the one season there was the least amount of Terrans, Ryung got the farthest eh?
ryung's run is strangely similar to byun's ro4 haha
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On December 01 2012 14:50 jnsjr wrote:
It's amazing how fast the community changes. When foreigners express problems with the game or "balance whine" they are maligned and hated by the community. They are called complainers/whiners and their opinions are disregarded. I remember Grubby gave a speech on why he doesn't talk about balance and people lauded him for it. When Koreans do the same thing, its cool?
Way to take things out of context. Even foreign balance whine vs. Zerg (esp Infestor) has a lot of traction. It's not just the korean's complaints who people are cheering about. A lot of the HOTS talk recently that got tons of community support was started by foreigners as well.
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On December 01 2012 14:50 jnsjr wrote:
It's amazing how fast the community changes. When foreigners express problems with the game or "balance whine" they are maligned and hated by the community. They are called complainers/whiners and their opinions are disregarded. I remember Grubby gave a speech on why he doesn't talk about balance and people lauded him for it. When Koreans do the same thing, its cool?
It seems the only thing that really matters in regards to balance/manners/BM is if the person says something you like. Then it's all graaaavy baby.
Cognitive dissonance.
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On December 01 2012 14:51 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:49 Adreme wrote:
I would say take HongUn off the Mount Rushmore of evil and put Inca on it becaues Inca cursed us with the worst finals ever by cheesing out Nada and then playing 4 horrible games in the finals. but you wouldn't see him on the mountain though.
lol was gonna say the same thing
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On December 01 2012 14:50 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:47 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:45 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:44 negativedge wrote:
It was classless, that's all that needs to be said. If Ryung wants to let the world know that he thinks the game is unbalanced, that's fine, but there are more appropriate and constructive ways of doing it. Probably, but this majorly ups his fan-base. For every person that thinks that Ryung was being an idiot, there are plenty of others who are applauding him. there are plenty of stupid people who will applaud anything. that's a terrible metric for whether or not something should be done, and it's the reason there are things like "rules" and "laws" and "standards of behavior" in general. it doesn't make ryung a terrible person, but it was a dumb thing to do. ryung was the beneficiary of plenty of GomTvT seasons. Strangely enough, the one season there was the least amount of Terrans, Ryung got the farthest eh?
shit happens, I guess. he's always been known for his TvT, but he's probably got the best TvZ in the world right now. doesn't mean they should hand him the trophy for free.
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On December 01 2012 14:50 Al Bundy wrote:Well ZvZ is a pretty interesting mirror, and both these players have good ZvZ, so if anything, it should be very high level.
ZvZ is much more fun now in SC2 for spectators.
ZvZ in BW wouldn't be half as interesting to them, lol.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:52 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:50 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:47 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:45 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:44 negativedge wrote:
It was classless, that's all that needs to be said. If Ryung wants to let the world know that he thinks the game is unbalanced, that's fine, but there are more appropriate and constructive ways of doing it. Probably, but this majorly ups his fan-base. For every person that thinks that Ryung was being an idiot, there are plenty of others who are applauding him. there are plenty of stupid people who will applaud anything. that's a terrible metric for whether or not something should be done, and it's the reason there are things like "rules" and "laws" and "standards of behavior" in general. it doesn't make ryung a terrible person, but it was a dumb thing to do. ryung was the beneficiary of plenty of GomTvT seasons. Strangely enough, the one season there was the least amount of Terrans, Ryung got the farthest eh? shit happens, I guess. he's always been known for his TvT, but he's probably got the best TvZ in the world right now. doesn't mean they should hand him the trophy for free.
eh, no. i think taeja's at least is better still, and ryung got through since curious and drg did kinda choke
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On December 01 2012 14:49 Adreme wrote:
I would say take HongUn off the Mount Rushmore of evil and put Inca on it becaues Inca cursed us with the worst finals ever by cheesing out Nada and then playing 4 horrible games in the finals.
Inca's there, you just can't see him.
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In MOBAs you guys are gonna get a whole lot of disabling area stuns.
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On December 01 2012 14:52 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:50 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:47 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:45 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:44 negativedge wrote:
It was classless, that's all that needs to be said. If Ryung wants to let the world know that he thinks the game is unbalanced, that's fine, but there are more appropriate and constructive ways of doing it. Probably, but this majorly ups his fan-base. For every person that thinks that Ryung was being an idiot, there are plenty of others who are applauding him. there are plenty of stupid people who will applaud anything. that's a terrible metric for whether or not something should be done, and it's the reason there are things like "rules" and "laws" and "standards of behavior" in general. it doesn't make ryung a terrible person, but it was a dumb thing to do. ryung was the beneficiary of plenty of GomTvT seasons. Strangely enough, the one season there was the least amount of Terrans, Ryung got the farthest eh? shit happens, I guess. he's always been known for his TvT, but he's probably got the best TvZ in the world right now. doesn't mean they should hand him the trophy for free.
Best TvZ in the world? I wouldn't go that far yet :p
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Northern Ireland26018 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:47 Goldfish wrote:
Comparing BW to SC2 - SC2 is a game where one mistake or one out of position can cost you the game.
In BW, that usually wasn't the case. BW and WC3 are more gradual games rather than one mistake costs you the game (knife's edge game).
Infestor would not be "IMBA" in BW settings. GAME DESIGN PROBLEM!
Also bring back the REAVER! BEST UNIT IN STARCRAFT!
Not whining about Zerg. Whining that there isn't an SC2 bonjwa yet.
Interesting point, one I've considered actually
BW - Mechanically harder than SC2, but yet players had periods of real dominance.
WC3- Mechanically easier than SC2, but yet had players have periods of real dominance.
I still feel that SC2's 'randomness' is overstated, in that top Koreans may lose to players worse than them, but overall will have pretty high winrates.
Basically SC2 still rewards the better players more often than not, but perhaps not quite as much as people would like.
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On December 01 2012 14:41 Weirdkid wrote:Technically, IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA isn't Ryung communicating with Sniper. So no problem. 
It's a slippery slope. He should probably be punished, or at least his team should demand him offer an apology.
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On December 01 2012 14:50 jnsjr wrote:
It's amazing how fast the community changes. When foreigners express problems with the game or "balance whine" they are maligned and hated by the community. They are called complainers/whiners and their opinions are disregarded. I remember Grubby gave a speech on why he doesn't talk about balance and people lauded him for it. When Koreans do the same thing, its cool?
It seems the only thing that really matters in regards to balance/manners/BM is if the person says something you like. Then it's all graaaavy baby.
Ryung is top 4 WORLD.
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On December 01 2012 14:53 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:52 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:50 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:47 negativedge wrote:On December 01 2012 14:45 Whatson wrote:On December 01 2012 14:44 negativedge wrote:
It was classless, that's all that needs to be said. If Ryung wants to let the world know that he thinks the game is unbalanced, that's fine, but there are more appropriate and constructive ways of doing it. Probably, but this majorly ups his fan-base. For every person that thinks that Ryung was being an idiot, there are plenty of others who are applauding him. there are plenty of stupid people who will applaud anything. that's a terrible metric for whether or not something should be done, and it's the reason there are things like "rules" and "laws" and "standards of behavior" in general. it doesn't make ryung a terrible person, but it was a dumb thing to do. ryung was the beneficiary of plenty of GomTvT seasons. Strangely enough, the one season there was the least amount of Terrans, Ryung got the farthest eh? shit happens, I guess. he's always been known for his TvT, but he's probably got the best TvZ in the world right now. doesn't mean they should hand him the trophy for free. eh, no. i think taeja's at least is better still, and ryung got through since curious and drg did kinda choke
"kinda choke"? Lol I would say the biggest choice since Seed tore out Symbol and Byun's hearts
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On December 01 2012 14:51 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:48 Kyhol wrote:
Sigh. I hope that one day Starcraft 2 entertains me again. The first time I've ever rathered watching LOL than SC2.
Fungal me this, fungal me that. Fuck it. I've never played a moba game before, but I'm considering giving it a shot at this point. I just can't believe how bad SC2 has become.
May be we can go back and watch good old GSL games. At least me watching MMA vs MVP vs DRG were so much more fun and epic than now.
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