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On November 12 2012 05:26 ibo422 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 05:03 Dexington wrote:
You're right about TT1 and I changed that when I saw your original post. Alive is out though because he is 2-6. Any reference to that?
Reference to what? That's his record. Regardless of map score 2-6 is always worse than 3-5. He is out.
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if demuslim takes 1 map off of nightend ill end up w/ a better rec than him oo. gogo 1 time!
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The whole season has been a point system where only games won/lost (the difference between it) have mattered. Why would they look at match records to determine the player's faith?! Oh well, i'm sure we will get a clarification on this during the live cast.
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ibo, I see what you're saying, but in the case aLive, Galaxy, TT1 and Nightend are "tied" at -4, aLive loses an obvious tie breaker for having the worse match score.
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On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree
So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division?
Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7.
Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) .
Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same.
Listing the top 8 would be
Sen
Polt
viOLet
Hyun
Taeja
MC
Demuslim
And Finale! Who else could match it?
You could do the same with Sen.
Edit-
I take that back, apparently NASL has a completely stupid way of determining the final three.
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Oz vs. Arthur for the final playoff spot!!! Who will take it? OzvP decides!!! *edit - If NightEnD wins tonight.*
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On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen.
I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified.
Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers.
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On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers.
Ooooh, That makes sense now.
And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record.
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Top 3 in the league after the Division Winners are removed.
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On November 12 2012 07:36 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers. Ooooh, That makes sense now. And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record.
The way it works is that the top in each division get into playoffs (5 players) THEN all the players are ranked by record (then by points) and THOSE top 3 are seeded into playoffs, regardless of their place in their divisions.
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On November 12 2012 07:59 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:36 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers. Ooooh, That makes sense now. And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record. The way it works is that the top in each division get into playoffs (5 players) THEN all the players are ranked by record (then by points) and THOSE top 3 are seeded into playoffs, regardless of their place in their divisions.
So it's possible DeMusliM, finale, and Sen all advance with MC and 2nd place in divs 1-3 are in wildcards?
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On November 12 2012 07:59 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:36 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers. Ooooh, That makes sense now. And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record. The way it works is that the top in each division get into playoffs (5 players) THEN all the players are ranked by record (then by points) and THOSE top 3 are seeded into playoffs, regardless of their place in their divisions.
Oh, then I was right! Thanks!
I was going by the quote off NASL Liquipedia that states:
"Of the second place finishers in each division, the three with the best record advance to the main event bracket "
Which seems to suggest differently. Someone needs to change that.
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On November 12 2012 08:02 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:59 NASL.tv wrote:On November 12 2012 07:36 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers. Ooooh, That makes sense now. And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record. The way it works is that the top in each division get into playoffs (5 players) THEN all the players are ranked by record (then by points) and THOSE top 3 are seeded into playoffs, regardless of their place in their divisions. Oh, then I was right! Thanks! I was going by the quote off NASL Liquipedia that states: "Of the second place finishers in each division, the three with the best record advance to the main event bracket " Which seems to suggest differently. Someone needs to change that.
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On November 12 2012 08:11 ibo422 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 08:02 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 07:59 NASL.tv wrote:On November 12 2012 07:36 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 07:32 CrazyBirdman wrote:On November 12 2012 07:26 Falconblade wrote:On November 12 2012 02:50 Dexington wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Falconblade wrote:On November 11 2012 16:33 Dexington wrote:
I'm fairly certain both MMA and Stephano move on to the wildcards regardless of the outcome.
Edit: It depends on Sheth's match and after that, tie breakers if necessary
Edit2: If Sheth wins, then there could be a big playoff spot between Stephano/MMA, Ryung. Puma for the last spot.
For the wilcards we should have
Oz/Arthur
Demu/Sen/Finale
Huk
Dark
Hero
Alicia
Mana
Vibe
Select
Zenio
If Sheth loses regardless of score, MMA, Stephano, Ryung and Puma fill out the wildcards
Obviously the winner of MMA/Stephano is in. If Sheth wins, he is in. If MMA or Stephano each take a game, they are both in.
Sen/Finale are guaranteed to get seeded. Worst possible case is 6-2 with a +7 score which equals MC and qualifies. No, if Demuslim wins then he and the winner of Sen/finale get seeded, as it's the top 3 of the second places. While the loser will have a better record than most everyone else, he still won't get seeded unless Demu loses. On November 12 2012 01:17 ibo422 wrote:
Btw, for ppl checking the color sheme on liquipedia.. it's kinda wrong atm, so ignore it for a day. I disagree So confused, are you saying that three people can't qualify from one division? Say Demuslim wins 2-0, goes 6-2 with +9, and Finale loses to Sen 0-2 for arguments sake. Then Sen is 7-1 +11, and Finale is 6-2 +7. Finale would have the same exact record as MC who is already qualified (exact map score, and 6-2) . Oz is at +6 with 6-2, and Arthur is at the same. Listing the top 8 would be Sen Polt viOLet Hyun Taeja MC Demuslim And Finale! Who else could match it? You could do the same with Sen. I think the coloring at Liquipedia isn't quite right at the moment, I don't think MC is already qualified. Edit: I'm stupid, I thought it would be the three non division winners with best score but it is only a competition between the second place finishers. Ooooh, That makes sense now. And that is completely fucking stupid not to do it by record. The way it works is that the top in each division get into playoffs (5 players) THEN all the players are ranked by record (then by points) and THOSE top 3 are seeded into playoffs, regardless of their place in their divisions. Oh, then I was right! Thanks! I was going by the quote off NASL Liquipedia that states: "Of the second place finishers in each division, the three with the best record advance to the main event bracket " Which seems to suggest differently. Someone needs to change that.
Too much pressure. I'd rather not.
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And yeah, this is what I was afraid of. The standing were decided by total points (games won minus games lost) the whole season and at the end it's the match record that gets ahead of the total points...
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Prediction time!!!
EGDeMusliM 0-2 FnaticRC.NightEnD
coL.qxc 2-1 mTw.DIMAGA
Gamania.Sen 0-2 MVPfinale
MMA 1-2 EGStephanoRC
FnaticRC.Oz 2-0 aTn.ClouD
LiquidTLO 2-1 aTn.ClouD
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On November 12 2012 08:15 ibo422 wrote:
And yeah, this is what I was afraid of. The standing were decided by total points (games won minus games lost) the whole season and at the end it's the match record that gets ahead of the total points...
What do you mean? Record always comes before points (wins minus losses), points are for tiebreaks if their records are the same.
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On November 12 2012 08:17 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 08:15 ibo422 wrote:
And yeah, this is what I was afraid of. The standing were decided by total points (games won minus games lost) the whole season and at the end it's the match record that gets ahead of the total points... What do you mean? Record always comes before points (wins minus losses), points are for tiebreaks if their records are the same.
He means the people that have been editing liquipedia are stupid. edit - What I mean by this is I just edited switching LoWeLy and Strelok in division 3. LoWeLy had less points but a better match record so the editors thought he was last place in the group.
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This might help to clarify my previous post.
Original Message From NASL.tv: Hello. Our standings are very simple a 2-0 win gives a player 2 points, a 2-1 win gives a player 1 point, a 1-2 loss gives a player -1 point, and a 0-2 loss give a player -2 points. The standings are by total points.I hope this helps to clarify. If you have any further questions, please direct them to admin@nasl.tv Thank you. Show nested quote +Original Message From ibo422:
Hello
I was updating liquipedia till I noticed the standings were calculated differently with your site. On NASL site you guys take the difference between games won and games lost to calculate the standings (regardless of matches won/lost). On liquipedia the players were sorted on matches won then games won (regardless of mathes lost and games lost). Any clarification on this so we don't misinform everyone that's using liquipedia? Thanks.
Greetings
Ibo
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