*sigh* Each time I see something like this having only 2 pages, I die inside a little. People should be psyched about this ... whatever happens, us french will enjoy that premium stuff.
I just realized there's only 1 spot left and it's for the new Millenium player that'll be announced on monday. So it means no Symbol at the Millenium house unless he's the new recruit of course.
On December 09 2012 06:30 Otolia wrote: *sigh* Each time I see something like this having only 2 pages, I die inside a little. People should be psyched about this ... whatever happens, us french will enjoy that premium stuff.
Its a no name tournament, nobody has heard of this before, there is no hype at all, maybe on french somewhere.
Also, why should we really be psyched about yet another tournament when the last 5 weeks we've had a weekend tournament, You would imagine people would be burnt out just a little bit.
On December 09 2012 06:30 Otolia wrote: *sigh* Each time I see something like this having only 2 pages, I die inside a little. People should be psyched about this ... whatever happens, us french will enjoy that premium stuff.
Its a no name tournament, nobody has heard of this before, there is no hype at all, maybe on french somewhere.
Also, why should we really be psyched about yet another tournament when the last 5 weeks we've had a weekend tournament, You would imagine people would be burnt out just a little bit.
"Well, I wish you'd just tell me rather than try to engage my enthusiasm, because I haven't got one." - Marvin, in The Restaurant at the end of the Universe, Douglas Adams
On December 09 2012 06:30 Otolia wrote: *sigh* Each time I see something like this having only 2 pages, I die inside a little. People should be psyched about this ... whatever happens, us french will enjoy that premium stuff.
When this is going on you'll have plenty of pages As of now, there's nothing much to discuss anyway
Llewellys has been giving many clues on the Millenium TV and more or less he hinted that probably Goswser will join the Millenium house for the tournament. So either Goswser will be there to shoutcast along with Tod or to play in the tournament.
On December 09 2012 06:30 Otolia wrote: *sigh* Each time I see something like this having only 2 pages, I die inside a little. People should be psyched about this ... whatever happens, us french will enjoy that premium stuff.
When this is going on you'll have plenty of pages As of now, there's nothing much to discuss anyway
Be a sponsored thread might help here. There are so much nice tournaments that it's hard to notice this one, even though it looks awesome. I know about it only because I'm French and following Millenium...
They really should upload wikipedia and put this in the upcoming tournament seeing there's MKP, MC, stephano and ForGG, for an 8 player tournament i find it to be ridiculously ( i never remember how to spell this word ) stacked.
This tournament seems incredibly under-hyped. I just looked at the line-up in the TL schedule. This tournament is OFFLINE and has an amazing list of players. The only thing in question is the level of production. Really hoping for the best, terran hope, Marine King fighting ~~
On December 15 2012 19:17 MrCash wrote: This tournament seems incredibly under-hyped. I just looked at the line-up in the TL schedule. This tournament is OFFLINE and has an amazing list of players. The only thing in question is the level of production. Really hoping for the best, terran hope, Marine King fighting ~~
I think production will be very good. There are a lot of people working very hard here to make this event good. Hopefully people notice it
So is every game BO3 in group stages? I didn't even know this tournament existed since there wasn't much information about it but now i know :D hopefully many will watch.
14h00 Introduction 14h00 Introduction 14h10 DIMAGA vs Feast 14h15 Demi-finale 15h00 MC vs TomikuS 15h45 Demi-finale 16h00 Winner vs Winner 17h45 Pause animation 16h45 Loser vs Loser 19h30 Petite finale 17h30 Winner vs Loser 20h00 Pause repas 18h30 Pause animation 21h30 Grande finale 19h00 Stephano vs Harstem 19h45 Goswser vs MKP 20h45 Winner vs Winner 21h30 Loser vs Loser 22h45 Winner vs Loser
On December 15 2012 18:38 Millenium wrote: Four hours before the event, we provide our first video : MC, MKP, Reis and DIMAGA arrival at the airport of Marseille.
ToD is an amazing caster for sure. I have both streams open so I can catch the interviews on the French stream. For some reason the colors in-game on the French stream look a bit washed out compared to the English stream though.
MC's play has fallen off so much. I think he's given up on winning another GSL, is trying to make money playing as many small foreign tournaments as possible, Stephano style.
On December 15 2012 23:32 Psyclon wrote: The tournament where MC dropped a map vs an unknown player
Last MLG?^^
You mean SirRobin? He's on FXO atm.
Also how did tomikus take a map off MC.
I missed the beginning, i guess failed all in or something.
nah MC went for a phoenix opening. burrowed infestors went to MC's 3rd. all his zealots and sentries got fungaled so there was nothing to protect colossi from lings
You can never pressure protoss to finish the game. That's why Stephano was so good in ZvP he always waited until broodlords and never tried to press his advantage as much.
On December 15 2012 23:50 Psyclon wrote: Ah, that feeling when you think you can press the protoss and finish the game. That treacherous feeling Nice try, Tomikus!
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
How do you feel? MC: I think it was obvious I would advance
You're qualified for the semi final, I suppose you will rest and support MarineKing now? MC: I think MarineKing will advance without my support. I'm hungry
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
Let's hope your games vs MKP go as well as that MLG where you took a game off him on XNC I believe it was?
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
FTFY : French don't do the best job at promoting events... They never release replays or VODs and, except Millenium that is the only french team with marketing in mind, no french team has an international mindset to promote events, players, ... I'm really impresed by Millenium these days, they are doing a good job.
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
FTFY : French don't do the best job at promoting events...
Iron Squid is awesome and promote the hell out of their stuff.
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
FTFY : French don't do the best job at promoting events...
Iron Squid is awesome and promote the hell out of their stuff.
I agree with you. Pomf & Thud started the Iron squid and got the help of Apollo and TB whom helped a lot i think to promote it on the international scene (or that's how i feel it at least, i might be wrong). So yeah iron squid is not doing badly and i hope it will continue and not follow the exemple of ESWC.
On December 16 2012 00:16 KalWarkov wrote: how does this have only 2.5k viewers...
Millenium doesn't do the best job of promoting their events to the fanbase outside of France. Hopefully as the tournament progresses more people will become aware of it though.
FTFY : French don't do the best job at promoting events...
Iron Squid is awesome and promote the hell out of their stuff.
I agree with you. Pomf & Thud started the Iron squid and got the help of Apollo and TB whom helped a lot i think to promote it on the international scene (or that's how i feel it at least, i might be wrong). So yeah iron squid is not doing badly and i hope it will continue and not follow the exemple of ESWC.
I'm pretty sure iron squid has actually paid out so it's got that over eswc already.
On December 16 2012 01:33 sitromit wrote: Dimaga has the most boring playstyle. His games always go on for way too long.
Does anyone remember hero vs dimaga in NASL where hero snapped and asked dimaga to attack him.
It happens to him all the time. Just a few days ago he was playing in HSC qualifier or something like that against a Terran, after 1 hour he told the guy "I'm not going to attack until I mine out my half of the map, if I don't attack I win", the guy gave up and attacked with all he had and lost.
On December 16 2012 01:33 sitromit wrote: Dimaga has the most boring playstyle. His games always go on for way too long.
Does anyone remember hero vs dimaga in NASL where hero snapped and asked dimaga to attack him.
It happens to him all the time. Just a few days ago he way playing in HSC qualifier or something like that against a Terran, after 1 hour he told the guy "I'm not going to attack until I mine out my half of the map, if I don't attack I win", the guy gave up and attacked with all he had and lost.
Gotta admire the patience though, I'd have gotten too bored to keep turtling and throw the match in a silly attack.
yeah, but protosses should really play without Mothership if they switch to air. It's way to scary to get your airforce vortexed by a random neural. Air/templar works quite ok . You need to have good upgrades and avoid getting vortexed!
On December 16 2012 01:49 zev318 wrote: lol how did feast screw this game up?
a) Too passive, did not pressure DIMAGA, or even use Warp Prism harass b) His composition was not ideal to deal with BL/Infestor, a few Carriers would have done a lot better against mass BLs
On December 16 2012 01:49 zev318 wrote: lol how did feast screw this game up?
a) Too passive, did not pressure DIMAGA, or even use Warp Prism harass b) His composition was not ideal to deal with BL/Infestor, a few Carriers would have done a lot better against mass BLs
He did harass DIMAGA but it wasn't possible anymore when DIMAGA had 15 spines/base.
Sadly feast just kind of executed it sloppily. PartinG moves out at 8:55, Feast was at least ten seconds late leaving his natural, with too few Sentries. As powerful as the build is, the timings are razor thin.
On December 16 2012 02:03 Xaeldaren wrote: Sadly feast just kind of executed it sloppily. PartinG moves out at 8:55, Feast was at least ten seconds late leaving his natural, with too few Sentries. As powerful as the build is, the timings are razor thin.
As he said in the itw post-game, he forgot the robo.
EDIT : All of you, switch on french stream, it's time for Just Dance 4 for SC2 players !
Well, Stephano nearly blind-countered it. But he is right, Harstem seems like a gimmick player, spamming immortal and sentries to the win... God, with this and the lategame, what have you done with ZvP blizzard?
On December 16 2012 03:43 Psyclon wrote: I'm just speechless and i realize i know nothing about SC2. I was absolutely sure that Harstem will win with this push. And then - Stephano magic.
I think he just played passively enough while slowly whittling down Harstem's army with chain fungals. I think Harstem was a bit too clumped in that choke.
It was very obvious that the push was too late. Stephano had plenty of time to drone up and spine up. Watch Rain or Creator, they move out as they take the 3rd base, and hit a much earlier timing.
On December 16 2012 03:50 Psyclon wrote: Why didn't Stephano attack with the first broodlords? He had enough lings and infestors to protect them and Harstem had only stalkers.
I think he just wants to play safely, if you attack on the protoss side of the map he has warp ins.
On December 16 2012 03:50 Psyclon wrote: Why didn't Stephano attack with the first broodlords? He had enough lings and infestors to protect them and Harstem had only stalkers.
I think he just wants to play safely, if you attack on the protoss side of the map he has warp ins.
On December 16 2012 03:50 Psyclon wrote: Why didn't Stephano attack with the first broodlords? He had enough lings and infestors to protect them and Harstem had only stalkers.
I think he just wants to play safely, if you attack on the protoss side of the map he has warp ins.
Yes, now that i think about it, he actually started to move towards the protoss bases, but then he saw a warp prism and went back home.
Anyway, i'm glad he won this match. That's what you get when you dance zealots
On December 16 2012 05:00 sitromit wrote: If MKP continues to play this way, I can see him dropping down to Code B.
Huh? it was a build order win.
Terran has to play greedy and sometimes zerg does all ins
He botched a 2 rax where he could have killed the hatch and a lot of drones.
Not really, the Queendralisk was would have held it.
MKP lost because he was indecisive. He pulled a 'Naama train' but then changed his mind and sent his SCVs back. MC prematurely said it was over because he thought MKP had won with his cheese, but his failed execution and indecision meant he failed and ultimately lost.
On December 16 2012 05:00 sitromit wrote: If MKP continues to play this way, I can see him dropping down to Code B.
Huh? it was a build order win.
Terran has to play greedy and sometimes zerg does all ins
He botched a 2 rax where he could have killed the hatch and a lot of drones.
Not really, the Queendralisk was would have held it.
MKP lost because he was indecisive. He pulled a 'Naama train' but then changed his mind and sent his SCVs back. MC prematurely said it was over because he thought MKP had won with his cheese, but his failed execution and indecision meant he failed and ultimately lost.
Nah, he got a lead when he got the bunker completed, forced 12 zerglings+ drone pull, so those SCV's he pulled just put them back to even, and then the game of greed vs all ins begin.
I think goswser had to fuck up his micro or not build stuff to lose to that pull, unless the SCV's came before he attacked the bunker, then yeah, MKP would have won then and there.
Having Dimaga cast that ZvZ was great, as he was able to explain the correct responses and why players were taking certain decisions based on what they had scouted. Insightful.
On December 16 2012 05:31 BlueFlames wrote: Its sad they did not make more wind for this tournament. Its a really nice tournament to lead up to HSC. I am really enjoying it.
It's the first one. Like Ironsquid, the second might me more popular (and with a better advertising in the non french community)
On December 16 2012 05:31 BlueFlames wrote: Its sad they did not make more wind for this tournament. Its a really nice tournament to lead up to HSC. I am really enjoying it.
millenium not good enough to hype their event, they did good in the beginning of their first msi pro cup but now ..
On December 16 2012 05:31 BlueFlames wrote: Its sad they did not make more wind for this tournament. Its a really nice tournament to lead up to HSC. I am really enjoying it.
It's the first one. Like Ironsquid, the second might me more popular (and with a better advertising in the non french community)
I never even knew this was happening until Stephano tweeted about it a few days ago.
I am sure if it proves successful and the players enjoy it, then they can host future ones with more confidence and a raised profile here on TL.
On December 16 2012 06:08 andaylin wrote: MKP forgetting 2/2
I think it was more because he wanted vikings first, since the protoss was gonna get 2/2 before MKP's 2/2 would finish, so the result of any upcoming fight pre-storm would be the same upgrade wise.
On December 16 2012 06:28 Emptyness wrote: For a moment I thought MKP was going to fail with this allin
Silly me
Harstem did play it really wierd.. he let MKP get up the ramp, you should always get atleast 2 rounds of forcefields on the ramp, delaying the terran by 30 seconds, but he let MKP up and get a good concave.
So, random newb question, what's with the dog? I don't think Chance can fly.
And yeah, that eBay was kindof odd, but does an eBay have more HP than a bunker? That would've kept the stalkers busy longer, let MKP see if any sentries were moving at the top of the ramp.
On December 16 2012 06:34 felisconcolori wrote: So, random newb question, what's with the dog? I don't think Chance can fly.
And yeah, that eBay was kindof odd, but does an eBay have more HP than a bunker? That would've kept the stalkers busy longer, let MKP see if any sentries were moving at the top of the ramp.
On December 16 2012 06:34 felisconcolori wrote: So, random newb question, what's with the dog? I don't think Chance can fly.
And yeah, that eBay was kindof odd, but does an eBay have more HP than a bunker? That would've kept the stalkers busy longer, let MKP see if any sentries were moving at the top of the ramp.
It was still a bad call, a bunker would have been a lot better.
On December 16 2012 06:34 felisconcolori wrote: So, random newb question, what's with the dog? I don't think Chance can fly.
And yeah, that eBay was kindof odd, but does an eBay have more HP than a bunker? That would've kept the stalkers busy longer, let MKP see if any sentries were moving at the top of the ramp.
It was still a bad call, a bunker would have been a lot better.
99 out of 100 times, I'd absolutely agree - but it seemed to work for MKP in that game, slowing down any attack move units that might have followed his units out of the base.
On December 16 2012 06:34 felisconcolori wrote: So, random newb question, what's with the dog? I don't think Chance can fly.
And yeah, that eBay was kindof odd, but does an eBay have more HP than a bunker? That would've kept the stalkers busy longer, let MKP see if any sentries were moving at the top of the ramp.
It was still a bad call, a bunker would have been a lot better.
99 out of 100 times, I'd absolutely agree - but it seemed to work for MKP in that game, slowing down any attack move units that might have followed his units out of the base.
And dat mech crushing down on roaches. Mmf.
Well, the thing is that the bunker isn't that good if they attack much quicker, but there he stopped building the ebay and about 8 secs later harstem attacked, so MKP would have had a bunker with 2 marauders in it.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Think this tournament has been losing out on some deserved views. The viewer counter on the English stream here on TL stays at 12 people, while the stream actually has 2k. Might want to fix that so you can get more viewers, you deserve it.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Apparently DIMAGA said that all maps were good for Zergs :p
You played pretty well overall but I think a few infestors in your compo should have helped. And maybe focusing more SCVs than army units. But I'm not a progamer and I'm not relevant at all to give you some tips. These are just my feelings.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Np you put up a good fight and honestly I think everyone felt like you had it . It was very close !
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Was it Antiga that prevented you from sending 10 lings to his 3rd when you attacked his natural?
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Can agree with you on Shakuras totally, but from a viewers standpoint it seems like Antiga/Ohana is pretty nice for zergs because once they get creep at the terrans 4th they can just keep denying bases and go for their bl/infestor army.
but at the same time terran also has to deal with Metropolis, Daybreak and Cloud Kingdom, which are all zerg favored, metropolis the most.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Nice excuses The fact of the matter is MKP is 10x the player you are, you got lucky the first series. Please, tell us more about the map pool when you are the finest example of a patch zerg I can think of
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Nice excuses The fact of the matter is MKP is 10x the player you are, you got lucky the first series. Please, tell us more about the map pool when you are the finest example of a patch zerg I can think of
Yeah a patchzerg who use almost never infestors, never heard about that before.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Nice excuses The fact of the matter is MKP is 10x the player you are, you got lucky the first series. Please, tell us more about the map pool when you are the finest example of a patch zerg I can think of
Yeah a patchzerg who use almost never infestors, never heard about that before.
Because KadaverBB kindly informed me I am not to bash players, I will refrain from replying to your thoughtful and well articulated defense of goswser
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
Nice excuses The fact of the matter is MKP is 10x the player you are, you got lucky the first series. Please, tell us more about the map pool when you are the finest example of a patch zerg I can think of
Yeah a patchzerg who use almost never infestors, never heard about that before.
Because KadaverBB kindly informed me I am not to bash players, I will refrain from replying to your thoughtful and well articulated defense of goswser
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
No, he's right. It's kind of a joke for any zerg to whine about maps these days. The only thing I hate is that TL people like kennigit and rich whine and cry about zerg all day on twitter whenever hero loses to a zerg, but no one is allowed to do the same here, when the TL people believe in the imbalance themselves.
I know why TL does it because TL doesn't want every thread to be balance whine, but I'm a believer in the truth, so it should be fine to talk about. Censoring the truth, doesn't mean it's still not the truth.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
No, he's right. It's kind of a joke for any zerg to whine about maps these days.
Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
No, he's right. It's kind of a joke for any zerg to whine about maps these days.
Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
We'll have to disagree because I don't think there's such thing as a terran favoured map in TvZ at this moment in time with the way the meta game currently is at.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
So, in statistics, that's the two most balanced maps in TvZ. (even if they slightly favors Z ^^ )
I know by zerg's today's standard, when a map isn't 65+% win for Z it's "terribly terran favored", but just check statistics sometimes, maybe...
Nice, glad you posted the stats. It's a myth that zerg and casters spread that antiga was terran favoured. He can't even argue about sample size either as those stats cover the entire year of 2012 so far with 776 games on antiga and 452 games on entombed.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
No, he's right. It's kind of a joke for any zerg to whine about maps these days.
Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
There aren't really any terran favoured maps. It's just, when you look at all the ridiculously zerg favoured maps, antiga and entombed seem terran-favoured in comparison. But you know, you go ahead and blame map imbalance. Stay classy goswser.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
So, in statistics, that's the two most balanced maps in TvZ. (even if they slightly favors Z ^^ )
I know by zerg's today's standard, when a map isn't 65+% win for Z it's "terribly terran favored", but just check statistics sometimes, maybe...
you can't take stats from all of 2012 to define the current state of balance on maps.....
TvZ winrates for Antiga: May - 53% June - 52% July - 45% August - 53% September - 37% October - 33% November - 37% December - 57% (only 7 games have been played)
You're right, antiga is extremely terran favoured.
Nice, glad you posted the stats. It's a myth that zerg and casters spread that antiga was terran favoured. He can't even argue about sample size either as those stats cover the entire year of 2012 so far with 776 games on antiga and 452 games on entombed.
On December 16 2012 09:06 goswser wrote: I don't know why I'm arguing balance with a bunch of bronze players.
Lol, proven wrong with facts and stats, so goes straight to the insults as a fallback. Stay classy man! The myth that antiga is terran favoured is perpetuated by theory crafting about the difficulty of the 4th base in the middle for zerg. Well guess what, theory crafting does not equal actual results. Results prove theory crafting wrong.
On December 16 2012 08:35 goswser wrote: Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
So, in statistics, that's the two most balanced maps in TvZ. (even if they slightly favors Z ^^ )
I know by zerg's today's standard, when a map isn't 65+% win for Z it's "terribly terran favored", but just check statistics sometimes, maybe...
you can't take stats from all of 2012 to define the current state of balance on maps.....
post-patch is more Z-favored than all of 2012, and lasts few months even more Z favored. Really nothing more to add...
This was some good games from you and MKP just maybe played better than you this time... Keep training hard and have fun in France =) Next time maybe you will beat him
but yeah guys goswser just lost a game, it's not fun to lose. cut him a bit of slack. he's a pro zerg playing for money, and many progamers are biased so yea
I looked at the round of 4 and saw that MC had to go up against best friend MarineKing. And a ZvZ semifinal (go Stephano!). On the bright side, either MC or MarineKing is in the finals, and the finals won't be a ZvZ!
On December 16 2012 18:34 skinner wrote: vod probably come tomorow
Seriously, how hard is it to add the vods right after?
Seriously how can you not know the internal structure of Dailymotion player ? The sense of entitlement is high nowadays. VODs are unlikely to be released (unless they specifically choose to edit them - which will take some times) but replays should be released this week.
On December 16 2012 18:34 skinner wrote: vod probably come tomorow
Seriously, how hard is it to add the vods right after?
Seriously how can you not know the internal structure of Dailymotion player ? The sense of entitlement is high nowadays. VODs are unlikely to be released (unless they specifically choose to edit them - which will take some times) but replays should be released this week.
Then why do they use the daily motion player? Vods are automatic with streaming services such as twitch. There's really no excuse not to upload vods, when it's so easy and immensely beneficial to the viewers. And please, this has nothing to do with entitlement...
Because Millenium TV is nearly exclusively french viewers, and dailymotion "rewards" french viewers a lot more than twitch. Event if it's sucks for the vod.
On December 16 2012 07:13 Boucot wrote: Goswser is way too agressive and low tech based in these games against MKP.
The map pool is terrible for zerg, I felt aggression and low tech was the only way I could win. I couldn't use my cloud kingdom build again, and when you have Antiga Ohana Entombed Shakuras in the map pool and you have to play on two of them, you can't play straight up games or you will just lose. Sorry guys
wat ? Zerg map pool whine is hilarious atm, while tournament every map pool heavily favor zergs...
Ohana and Entombed are Z-favored, Antiga is by statistics balanced (and even Z favored in last GSL ^^ ). Aggressive and low-tech play seems more like a permanent feature of your play in TvZ (from last series i saw since some weeks ) than map-related.
Cloud is Z-favored and you played very aggressive/low tech (last set) while you had all your time to tech up, at least to infestors (infested terran way better vs mech than roach )....
So, maybe MKP just played better ? and figured out your style ? (even Life kinda stop his aggressive play in ZvT... it's not very good when T know it's coming) nothing to be ashamed.
You have no clue what you're talking about in regards to maps.
No, he's right. It's kind of a joke for any zerg to whine about maps these days.
Saying Antiga isn't terran favored in ZvT is laughable. Entombed is also terran favored, and Shakuras doesn't even belong in a tournament map pool anymore. Ohana is at best even in ZvT.
Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
On December 16 2012 22:32 lannisport wrote: Amazing ZvZ. Dimaga still has it in him to go toe to toe with Stephano.
Dimaga's ZvZ is very very strong. But stephano is smarter :p
Yeah no kidding... His multiprong attacks were spot on the entire game. AND the play of the game was when he flew his mutas into Dimaga's base WHILE he parked most of his infestors on the edge of that top mineral line near Dimaga's main, baiting out Dimaga's mutas for a big fungal (He was also attacking with some roaches and an infestor into Dimaga's 4th at the same time.)
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
It's on the top right when you mouse over the video.
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
It's on the top right when you mouse over the video.
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
It's on the top right when you mouse over the video.
in theory... it is... in reality... it's not
indeed.. on the french stream you can change the quality but not on the english stream.. strange
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
It's on the top right when you mouse over the video.
in theory... it is... in reality... it's not
Yeah I have them on the french stream, however not on the english stream. Maybe some setup things, you should try to ask them on IRC if it's bothering you.
On December 16 2012 22:14 keeperton wrote: Is there really no way to change the quality on Daily Motion? My internet can't handle whatever it is right now with much consistency (I think it's 720p, and my internet maxes at around 300 KB/s when no one else is using it).
There are 3 different qualities : 380p, 480p and 720p. It doesn't always appear. I refreshed and I could change it.
I know I've seen it before in the past, but I've tried refreshing about 10 times at this point and I'm still not getting a quality change option. It's a bit strange, really.
It's on the top right when you mouse over the video.
in theory... it is... in reality... it's not
indeed.. on the french stream you can change the quality but not on the english stream.. strange
ty for the info, but i'll rather watch the polish stream in 720p then
Stephano will have a time where he's up in attack and carapace upgrades edit: oh nvm dimaga already has +1 caparace i thought he was on 0 edit2 : haha nvm again he was on 0
Fot those interested, in the interview he said he feels he wasn't aggressive enough in the early game against Dimaga, he thinks he could do more damage early due to Dimaga's build.
He also said he doesn't really like ZvZs where there are only one or two big fights, but loves the ones where there are a lot around the map and feels comfortable in heavy multitasking situations, which is why he went for the base trade several times.
Finally, he said he lost that last game because the ramp gave Dimaga vision of his army but made it so Stephano had to bring his infestors up close to fungal, thus making him lose a lot of them. Because of that while Stephano was getting his infestor count back up Dimaga was free to invest the gas in double upgrades on the spire and make more corrupters, which is why Stephano thinks he lost.
On December 17 2012 00:16 Boucot wrote: MarineKing was way too greedy : CC first, 3 rax, double ebay, 1 bunker. It was obvious that MC would punish him.
Yup, that was pretty much the "I hope he doesn't attack me" build
MKP was waaaaay too greedy in the beginning and it was normal that MC punish him for that. After the natural CC was killed - it was just MKP delaying the inevitable .
But I can't understand what MC was doing - in my opinion he should have attacked when he first moved out from his base - with 2 colossi (and 3rd almost done) and MKP was just having 2 Vikings.
On December 17 2012 00:58 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote: MKP never scout
Yep and MC is using that very good
Yup, once MC denied the initial scout, MKP needs a scan just to check the natural.
You really can't afford a scan, when you need a ton of bunkers too to defend. Then you have no army units
MKP didn't do either...
yeah, goes to show how scarce minerals are in that situation
anyways, excellent defense by marineking in this game!
Yeah, but MKP had committed to saturating the 2nd base AND tech. Mineral was scarce because he did BOTH while MC was doing 1 base all in. Of course, you will not have enough units to defend. If you can have Eco+tech while having enough units, no one would do that all-in.
Rooting for the foreigners in both MUs , but most important for me is that we have as much as possible and with the highest quality as possible games .
On December 17 2012 03:35 CruelZeratul wrote: Well, thats some decision making at it's worst. Starting with not targetting the Immortals when he had the chance. But in the end it was funny :D
On December 17 2012 03:34 sitromit wrote: MC doesn't know how to do this build properly, he didn't even wall off up his ramp.
Yes he did.
No he didn't. Parting walls off not just at the Natural, but also at the main. So in case of a base trade, he pulls everything up in the main, warps in more sentries and cannons, and the Zerg has to break through 2 walled off ramps against forcefields. MC didn't wall off his main.
Watch the game between Parting and Jaedong at IPTL, see how much better Parting handled the base trade.
Wow MC threw away game 1 and 3 so badly. He had half his army attacking the 4th hatch in game 1 instead of Stephano's army. And then he didn't wall off properly/bring a probe with him in game 3.
On December 17 2012 03:34 sitromit wrote: MC doesn't know how to do this build properly, he didn't even wall off up his ramp.
Yes he did.
No he didn't. Parting walls off not just at the Natural, but also at the main. So in case of a base trade, he pulls everything up in the main, warps in more sentries and cannons, and the Zerg has to break through 2 walled off ramps against forcefields. MC didn't wall off his main.
Watch the game between Parting and Jaedong at IPTL, see how much better Parting handled the base trade.
By "ramp" I assumed you meant the natural ramp.
I watched the game too, Parting knew ahead of time he was going to get counter attacked, he had ample time to build a few pylons and 8 cannons above his main ramp. MC just hoped 2 sentries would have been enough at the 2nd ramp.
On December 17 2012 03:53 Makro wrote: the last one will be electric
Especially if Stephano is really trying/pulling it together, doesn't seem to play as sharp as I expect from him. Not starting the Greater Spire in time, not building more Spines with 2.5k+ Minerals, seems he is not that concentrated.
On December 17 2012 03:53 Makro wrote: the last one will be electric
Especially if Stephano is really trying/pulling it together, doesn't seem to play as sharp as I expect from him. Not starting the Greater Spire in time, not building more Spines with 2.5k+ Minerals, seems he is not that concentrated.
He lost in Naruto tournament, he must be disappointed.
On December 17 2012 04:25 Boucot wrote: LOL Stephano : "MarineKing plays like a bitch"
Lol where did he say this?
French stream .
He said that MKP plays like a whore because his play is always unsafe . He asked Dimaga about it and apparently Dimaga won't be allining (he doesn't like roaches) .
On December 17 2012 04:34 booksmartguy wrote: French people don't come to TL? So many people watching french stream, but why is there so few people on this thread?
because the community is mostly on the french website (millenium or aAa things like that), in my case i'm on both
On December 17 2012 04:34 booksmartguy wrote: French people don't come to TL? So many people watching french stream, but why is there so few people on this thread?
I thought I read somewhere that French is one of the most represented countries on TL ? Something like 2nd after US ?
But, millenium.org have their own huge community which draws this massive amount of viewers on the french stream.
On December 17 2012 04:40 Otolia wrote: Yeah Alexa evaluates that France is the second most represented country on TL with 13.5%of traffic site. (Source)
On December 17 2012 05:13 DueleR wrote: lol a girl called and wanted to ask a question, the guy interrupted her andwas screaming like "OH WE HAVE A GIIIIIRL" in French, then she disconnected
Why the commentator is speaking french on the english stream?
Is there another stream with english or I just have to watch the games with french commentary? (I don't understand french, but I will watch the games, no matter the language )
On December 17 2012 05:21 Emptyness wrote: Why the commentator is speaking french on the english stream?
Is there another stream with english or I just have to watch the games with french commentary? (I don't understand french, but I will watch the games, no matter the language )
Yeah it's a shame, MKP never learns his lesson about scouting. MKP would never die to 6 pools if he scouted. If MKP ever started scouting regularly he would be god like.
Stephano said that before the match, he said to DIMAGA to use roaches against MarineKing (DIMAGA usually doesn't use roaches vs terran). Looks like this tip wasn't bad.
Nah, you need to be ahead to play mech either by being stupidly greedy, killing a base early or having the zerg go for a bad composition vs mech early, forcing them to switch.
He seems to put a lot of thought to his strategy and also I like how he is playing without fear, without intimidation . He deserves to win this tournament .
Nah, you need to be ahead to play mech either by being stupidly greedy, killing a base early or having the zerg go for a bad composition vs mech early, forcing them to switch.
Nah, you need to be ahead to play mech either by being stupidly greedy, killing a base early or having the zerg go for a bad composition vs mech early, forcing them to switch.
Nah, you need to be ahead to play mech either by being stupidly greedy, killing a base early or having the zerg go for a bad composition vs mech early, forcing them to switch.
no
watch mvp's TvZ.
MVP usually gets ahead while meching by roasting a lot of drones with hellions.
On December 17 2012 06:11 Zeon0 wrote: Ultras are soooooooo bad when there are a good number of marauders on the map^^
Note that the ultra armor upgrade hasn't kicked in yet in the first few engagement. Without that upgrade, I feel like even marines are still pretty good against them.
Well if you use the CC to block the ramp, or done some scouting so you would have wall in time with rax/depot (like marineking but then without lowered supply depot), it is alot easier to do.
How is it pathetic to make use of a weakness in the strat of the opponent he uses again and again? That is MarineKings fault, not Dimagas. He effectively won twice with it (yes he lost last game, but that was because of a really stupid error of himself), so why not try it a third time if marineking refuses to adapt?
Problem was simply now he walked past the barracks on the low ground. Anyway dont blame the person who adapts to his enemies tactics...
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
Lol ended up being a funny series. Glad MKP won, but I fear MKP won't learn his lesson still cause he held off 6/7 pool twice with CC first on low ground! Just scout and be safe. Those extra minerals earned by not scouting are worthless when you die to quick pools and all ins.
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
You're saying CC first is an abusive econ opening? MKP, Taeja, Flash, and MVP would all like words with you.
Edit: Dimaga could easily have done an "abusive" econ opening himself, opening 3 hatch before pool. His fault for being predictable/sloppy with his counter build
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
You're saying CC first is an abusive econ opening? MKP, Taeja, Flash, and MVP would all like words with you.
Edit: Dimaga could easily have done an "abusive" econ opening himself, opening 3 hatch before pool.
If you do it >80% of the time in series without scout and put it on low-ground, then yes I would call that abusive. If you do it sometimes, or with scout, or as part of a wall-in, then not so much. Sure dimaga could have gone 3 hatch before pool, but why should he? It is also abusive (even more so), and isn't nearly as good a counter to MKP's strat as a well-executed 6pool is.
EDIT: And dimaga appararently wasn't predictable with his counter build as MKP failed to account for it in all 3 cases. He just had decent reactions once it was revealed and Dimaga failed to execute correctly.
Well, I really feel sorry for DIMAGA . He is capable of beating MKP and with game 2 he showed that and I don't know what's going in his head right now and why he decided to do the same strategy for 3rd time (even tho he knows that MKP is going CC first on low ground) .
Anyway, I want to thank Millenium, for hosting this awesome tournament (8 players, but so many big names nevertheless) - there were some great games and made my weekend way more entertaining . The casting from ToD was also on a very good level, I like the idea co-casting with the players . The breaks were also entertaining (especially the dancing part ). And the quality of the stream (for free) was so good .
So, for all above, I THANK YOU !
And DIMAGA - keep up the good play, you will have more tournaments in front of you and will win some of them for sure, if you keep improving .
Anyway, I want to thank Millenium, for hosting this awesome tournament (8 players, but so many big names nevertheless) - there were some great games and made my weekend way more entertaining . The casting from ToD was also on a very good level, I like the idea co-casting with the players . The breaks were also entertaining (especially the dancing part :clap. And the quality of the stream (for free) was so good .
So, for all above, I THANK YOU !
Co-sign! It was a great and enjoyable tournament! Thanks to Millenium, all the players, casters, tournament staff and the sponsors for coming together to produce a wonderful tournament! Congrats!
On December 17 2012 06:47 Emptyness wrote: Well, I really feel sorry for DIMAGA . He is capable of beating MKP and with game 2 he showed that and I don't know what's going in his head right now and why he decided to do the same strategy for 3rd time (even tho he knows that MKP is going CC first on low ground) .
Anyway, I want to thank Millenium, for hosting this awesome tournament (8 players, but so many big names nevertheless) - there were some great games and made my weekend way more entertaining . The casting from ToD was also on a very good level, I like the idea co-casting with the players . The breaks were also entertaining (especially the dancing part ). And the quality of the stream (for free) was so good .
So, for all above, I THANK YOU !
And DIMAGA - keep up the good play, you will have more tournaments in front of you and will win some of them for sure, if you keep improving .
Agree completely with this. Really enjoyable little tournament with some great games all around. Cool to see Dimaga doing so well. Especially enjoyed the commentary by Tod and Goswser, but all the (English) commentators were great. There was probably a little too much downtime, and it was a bit annoying not to have instant vods, but I understand that the Dailymotion platform may make that a little hard, and it was not really a huge deal.
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
You're saying CC first is an abusive econ opening? MKP, Taeja, Flash, and MVP would all like words with you.
Edit: Dimaga could easily have done an "abusive" econ opening himself, opening 3 hatch before pool.
If you do it >80% of the time in series without scout and put it on low-ground, then yes I would call that abusive. If you do it sometimes, or with scout, or as part of a wall-in, then not so much. Sure dimaga could have gone 3 hatch before pool, but why should he? It is also abusive (even more so), and isn't nearly as good a counter to MKP's strat as a well-executed 6pool is.
EDIT: And dimaga appararently wasn't predictable with his counter build as MKP failed to account for it in all 3 cases. He just had decent reactions once it was revealed and Dimaga failed to execute correctly.
Actully the only reason for going 6 pool instead of 3 hatch before pool is cause Dimaga can't beat MKP in a macro game and he knows that aswell.
On December 17 2012 06:47 Emptyness wrote: Well, I really feel sorry for DIMAGA . He is capable of beating MKP and with game 2 he showed that and I don't know what's going in his head right now and why he decided to do the same strategy for 3rd time (even tho he knows that MKP is going CC first on low ground) .
Anyway, I want to thank Millenium, for hosting this awesome tournament (8 players, but so many big names nevertheless) - there were some great games and made my weekend way more entertaining . The casting from ToD was also on a very good level, I like the idea co-casting with the players . The breaks were also entertaining (especially the dancing part ). And the quality of the stream (for free) was so good .
So, for all above, I THANK YOU !
And DIMAGA - keep up the good play, you will have more tournaments in front of you and will win some of them for sure, if you keep improving .
Mech is a totally different thing than Bio, and roach drops counters hellion/tank mech pretty well, there is no timer on the roaches.
I was a bit sad that I didn't get to see the good ol' Dimaga baneling bust.. 50000 banelings at the 10 minute mark just walks into the terran base..
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
You're saying CC first is an abusive econ opening? MKP, Taeja, Flash, and MVP would all like words with you.
Edit: Dimaga could easily have done an "abusive" econ opening himself, opening 3 hatch before pool.
If you do it >80% of the time in series without scout and put it on low-ground, then yes I would call that abusive. If you do it sometimes, or with scout, or as part of a wall-in, then not so much. Sure dimaga could have gone 3 hatch before pool, but why should he? It is also abusive (even more so), and isn't nearly as good a counter to MKP's strat as a well-executed 6pool is.
EDIT: And dimaga appararently wasn't predictable with his counter build as MKP failed to account for it in all 3 cases. He just had decent reactions once it was revealed and Dimaga failed to execute correctly.
Actully the only reason for going 6 pool instead of 3 hatch before pool is cause Dimaga can't beat MKP in a macro game and he knows that aswell.
I have the feeling you are trying to make a point, but what is it? Please don't go back to this fallacy that outmacro'ing your opponent is magically better than beating him in other ways. Early agression is just as much part of SC2 as macro. Do you also complain about everyone who attacks his opponent when the opponent goes triple expand before barracks/gateway/spawning pool?
next time, let ToD or someone better with english do the interviews, cause it's quite embarrassing to see someone asking questions but don't even understand the answers
On December 17 2012 06:37 Emptyness wrote: Why, why, why DIMAGA ?
So sad now
It was pretty clear why. MKP was doing ridiculously abusive econ openings and they deserved to be punished. Can't believe people are blaming Dimaga for this, when it is MKP's play that prompted it, and it is a perfectly legitimate strat in a bo5. You play to win. It is just sad that he messed up his execution in the last 2 games.
You're saying CC first is an abusive econ opening? MKP, Taeja, Flash, and MVP would all like words with you.
Edit: Dimaga could easily have done an "abusive" econ opening himself, opening 3 hatch before pool.
If you do it >80% of the time in series without scout and put it on low-ground, then yes I would call that abusive. If you do it sometimes, or with scout, or as part of a wall-in, then not so much. Sure dimaga could have gone 3 hatch before pool, but why should he? It is also abusive (even more so), and isn't nearly as good a counter to MKP's strat as a well-executed 6pool is.
EDIT: And dimaga appararently wasn't predictable with his counter build as MKP failed to account for it in all 3 cases. He just had decent reactions once it was revealed and Dimaga failed to execute correctly.
Actully the only reason for going 6 pool instead of 3 hatch before pool is cause Dimaga can't beat MKP in a macro game and he knows that aswell.
Let us just for a moment say that was the case. Then MKP is completely retarded for going for CC first on low ground which he knows is punishable by a correctly executed 6-7 pool. Why not go for a safer opening (say 1rax expand) and go into mid-late game with a potential slight disadvantage? That would give him a 100% win percentage vs Dimaga.
I somehow feel you didn't watch game 2 or the games yesterday vs goswser. Or any MKP TvZ the last couple of months.
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and it was normal that MC punish him for that. After the natural CC was killed - it was just MKP delaying the inevitable 
and MC is using that very good 
. The breaks were also entertaining (especially the dancing part 
