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Lone Star Clash 2: $35k SC2 + LoL, Nov 10-11 in TX - Page 17

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Trashman420
Profile Joined September 2012
232 Posts
November 08 2012 10:51 GMT
#321
Just hang in there, Goswser. People are noticing your progress.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 08 2012 10:55 GMT
#322
Meh, it would have been fine replacing one of the TL zergs with Goswser, they haven't exactly been setting the world alight lately. Why not invite a new and improving player instead? It can't be good for the scene if team affiliation decides who gets to participate.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with saying what he did. They players have to stand up for themselves, and call bullshit when they see it. It can't be that only the Stephanos and Naniwas of the scene are allowed to say what they think.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#323
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 08 2012 11:16 GMT
#324
It wasn't very elegant, and probably not his best choice to get himself noted and invited, but it wasn't a terrible thing to do either. There is a bit of discussion now and I'll certainly remember him. I don't know whether he is a good players or not, but his recent results are pretty impressive and could easily deserve an invite to an american tournament.

Oh, on the topic of specifically targeting LSC, I agree. It only really works if we talk in the abstract. We don't know about issues like scheduling and time constraints and so it's hard to blame LSC for anything. Rather, a tip of the hat for putting together a great roster!
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
November 08 2012 14:59 GMT
#325
So, disregarding Goswer's elegant comment to promote himself, who is replacing Major?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 17:23:43
November 08 2012 17:22 GMT
#326
Commentator
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
November 08 2012 17:53 GMT
#327
On November 08 2012 19:42 Hawk2 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 08 2012 19:37 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 19:12 Hawk2 wrote:
To be fair to gosu user currently the starcraft scene has many more invite tournaments than qualifier tournaments. The scene favors those who have been around, not necessarily those who are currently performing the best. It is a problem but Lone Star Clash 2 offered two open qualifiers. Gosu user had his chance to play in this tournament via the global qualifier.

I think the amount of invite tournaments is a very big problem in the starcraft 2 professional scene but going to every TL thread and complaining won't really solve anything especially when you complain about a tournament that even offered two qualifier spots.


One open qualifier was reserved for csl players. The other would be too difficult to qualify from, especially since it requires you to knock out hordes of good korean players. I'm pretty sure at least half the players in lsc2 wouldn't be able to qualify, no offense to any of them. Thus its unfair to say that he can't complain about lsc2 just because it has "qualifiers".



At the moment most invite tournaments do not offer any qualifiers. Offering two qualifier spots is not ideal but it's a step in the right direction for invite tournaments.


The CSL qualifier shouldn't count as a spot, considering how restrictive it is. LSC2 essentially only has 1 open qualifier for the majority of pro players. It may be a step in the right direction, but it still shouldn't be used as a rationale to invalidate gosu's complaint.

Also i question the validity of your statement that most invite tournaments don't offer qualifiers, at the very least for tournaments with prize pools as high as LSC2, most do.

Ironsquid
MLG
IPL
NASL
GSL

Those are the ones that i can think of on that top of my head that contain some components of both invite and qualification based systems for selecting participants.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 18:07:37
November 08 2012 18:01 GMT
#328
On November 08 2012 19:59 Schelim wrote:
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.


At the very least he would beat QXC and Tod and is comparable to sheth, ret, major, hawk, Thorzain and babyknight. He may not be the best player here, but honestly if skill was the only determinant there's no real reason to invite qxc and tod over him.

I think instead of flaming him for qqing, we need to give real reasons for why he wasn't invited. The bottom line is he would not generate as much interest as some of the other, lesser skilled players. E-sports is ultimately a business, and Tespa needs to make money. If all they cared about was skill, they would only invite Koreans for this tournament.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 08 2012 18:08 GMT
#329
On November 09 2012 03:01 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 19:59 Schelim wrote:
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.


At the very least he would beat QXC and Tod and is comparable to sheth, ret, major, hawk, and babyknight. He may not be the best player here, but honestly if skill was the only determinant there's no real reason to invite qxc and tod over him.

I think instead of flaming him for qqing, we need to give real reasons for why he wasn't invited. The bottom line is he would not generate as much interest as some of the other, lesser skilled players. E-sports is ultimately a business, and Tespa needs to make money. If all they cared about was skill, they would only invite Koreans for this tournament.


/shrug

i thought the latter part of your post was too obvious to even discuss. i don't know that he would necessarily beat the players you mentioned. judging by his results, it sure seems like he could, but it's not like he's clearly outclassing anybody on the list.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
November 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#330
On November 09 2012 03:08 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 03:01 BackSideAttack wrote:
On November 08 2012 19:59 Schelim wrote:
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.


At the very least he would beat QXC and Tod and is comparable to sheth, ret, major, hawk, and babyknight. He may not be the best player here, but honestly if skill was the only determinant there's no real reason to invite qxc and tod over him.

I think instead of flaming him for qqing, we need to give real reasons for why he wasn't invited. The bottom line is he would not generate as much interest as some of the other, lesser skilled players. E-sports is ultimately a business, and Tespa needs to make money. If all they cared about was skill, they would only invite Koreans for this tournament.


/shrug

i thought the latter part of your post was too obvious to even discuss. i don't know that he would necessarily beat the players you mentioned. judging by his results, it sure seems like he could, but it's not like he's clearly outclassing anybody on the list.


He's already beaten tod, qxc, and thorzain at mlg Dallas. Also im pretty sure he's outclassing tod and qxc, both through skill and the fact that he is a zerg player.
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
November 08 2012 18:42 GMT
#331
On November 09 2012 03:13 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 03:08 Schelim wrote:
On November 09 2012 03:01 BackSideAttack wrote:
On November 08 2012 19:59 Schelim wrote:
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.


At the very least he would beat QXC and Tod and is comparable to sheth, ret, major, hawk, and babyknight. He may not be the best player here, but honestly if skill was the only determinant there's no real reason to invite qxc and tod over him.

I think instead of flaming him for qqing, we need to give real reasons for why he wasn't invited. The bottom line is he would not generate as much interest as some of the other, lesser skilled players. E-sports is ultimately a business, and Tespa needs to make money. If all they cared about was skill, they would only invite Koreans for this tournament.


/shrug

i thought the latter part of your post was too obvious to even discuss. i don't know that he would necessarily beat the players you mentioned. judging by his results, it sure seems like he could, but it's not like he's clearly outclassing anybody on the list.


He's already beaten tod, qxc, and thorzain at mlg Dallas. Also im pretty sure he's outclassing tod and qxc, both through skill and the fact that he is a zerg player.

Outclassing? Imo beating someone once doesn't make him way more skilled
FishStix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States425 Posts
November 08 2012 21:48 GMT
#332
See you all in Austin on Saturday night! Woooooooot :D
I do stuff in eSports
Trashman420
Profile Joined September 2012
232 Posts
November 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#333
On November 09 2012 03:42 saksy2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 03:13 BackSideAttack wrote:
On November 09 2012 03:08 Schelim wrote:
On November 09 2012 03:01 BackSideAttack wrote:
On November 08 2012 19:59 Schelim wrote:
but Lonestar Clash is just one tournament of many. gowswer can't really attack them specifically for not giving him specifically a spot, that's just ridiculous. I also think he overrates himself quite a bit and so do some of you, but i'd be more than willing to take that back if he shows some good results in tournaments. i do agree that doing that is kind of hard as an upcoming player because of the current focus on invite tournaments though.


At the very least he would beat QXC and Tod and is comparable to sheth, ret, major, hawk, and babyknight. He may not be the best player here, but honestly if skill was the only determinant there's no real reason to invite qxc and tod over him.

I think instead of flaming him for qqing, we need to give real reasons for why he wasn't invited. The bottom line is he would not generate as much interest as some of the other, lesser skilled players. E-sports is ultimately a business, and Tespa needs to make money. If all they cared about was skill, they would only invite Koreans for this tournament.


/shrug

i thought the latter part of your post was too obvious to even discuss. i don't know that he would necessarily beat the players you mentioned. judging by his results, it sure seems like he could, but it's not like he's clearly outclassing anybody on the list.


He's already beaten tod, qxc, and thorzain at mlg Dallas. Also im pretty sure he's outclassing tod and qxc, both through skill and the fact that he is a zerg player.

Outclassing? Imo beating someone once doesn't make him way more skilled

Can we not have this discussion, please?
Foreigners fighting
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 08 2012 22:31 GMT
#334
I hope either Bomber or Ret wins! I'm counting the hours until this lan!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
shadowrunner99
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Belarus93 Posts
November 09 2012 01:03 GMT
#335
I am going to be there with a buddy (not a SC2 person though). I dont want to bore him, so what would a reasonable time to get there?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
November 09 2012 01:10 GMT
#336
Complaining about invites is not the best way to get one.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 09 2012 02:46 GMT
#337
tl will actually be writing about this event and previewing it this time around.

need brackax.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
November 09 2012 02:47 GMT
#338
On November 09 2012 11:46 Fionn wrote:
tl will actually be writing about this event and previewing it this time around.

need brackax.


Woooo, horray for TL taking LSC seriously!
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 09 2012 04:54 GMT
#339
On November 09 2012 11:46 Fionn wrote:
tl will actually be writing about this event and previewing it this time around.

need brackax.


Sweet! TL writeups always make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
November 09 2012 09:17 GMT
#340
tipping Naniwa to crush through this.
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