EPT[OSL] By.Rain vs. Last - Auction All-Kill RO4 - Page 46
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On October 09 2012 21:29 CryMeAReaper wrote: It's doable, Last is just doing these gimmicky builds because he obviously thinks he cannot match Rain in a standard macro game and need some sort of BO adv to carry him through... Don't take these games as examples of proper lategame PvT, imo these games are just Last trying to win via build orders and if he succeeds he wins, if not, he auto-loses lol. I'm not. I know it's doable. By Taeja standards it is. By good terrans versus decent protoss standards it is. But I've barely seen good terrans win again a good protoss in the lategame without getting an advantage in the midgame thanks to timing pushes or good harass... (I think MKP early 2012 actually, and he was very very strong back then). It's very very hard ! That's why you've seen Mvp trying mass BC against Squirtle (proving that BCs skyterran didn't work well), and other terrans trying to bring back 1/1/1 (ByuN I think ?) | ||
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silent_owl
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But at what cost?!? ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 09 2012 21:33 IshinShishi wrote: No. Ghosts have very limited use and are actually support units unlike templars and infestors that can kill entire armies by themselves.Ghosts are also so expensive for what they do that they cut into your army supply heavily if you don't have 3-4 well established bases. That's not really true. In large numbers and good upgrades Ghosts can eliminate entire Protoss armies themselves. They are incredibly good at killing Zealots and can hold their own vs Stalkers with Medivac support. Archons? Lol, EMP takes care of them. The only thing that Ghosts cant deal with are Collosus which is why I've seen a lot of pros in the ultra late game vs Protoss create a massive Ghost army supported by a large number of Vikings. It's a surprisingly powerful unit composition. | ||
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xongnox
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On October 09 2012 21:32 Bahajinbo wrote: Getting Ghosts is easier than getting Templar. Everything said here. The real point is : Getting ghosts is way less powerfull than getting Templar. Btw nothing new here, tanks became just awful vs protoss once toss get chargelots and some AoE (tanks => lots of marines). | ||
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vthree
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On October 09 2012 21:33 MangoMountain wrote: So you have to actually work for your wins? Sounds about right to me. While Protoss has zealots archons colossi which are pretty effective when just a-moved. | ||
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ohampatu
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On October 09 2012 21:33 IshinShishi wrote: No. Ghosts have very limited use and are actually support units unlike templars and infestors that can kill entire armies by themselves.Ghosts are also so expensive for what they do that they cut into your army supply heavily if you don't have 3-4 well established bases. LOL. Are you knew to SC2? Rain and Last were both 3 base + at the point, so that meets your 'criteria' perfectly fine. You cant make any argument that Ghosts are harder to get to then Templar, they aren't. And ghosts do a shit load of damage to protoss when played correctly, you can half the health of the entire deathball. Last thought he was gonna win, kept pushing/overextending. He gave up his supply lead and didn't micro properly. His fault. I hear marines kill immortals pretty well, maybe he should try a little target fire? Rain has a specific playstyle, Last's build was meant to kill him before lategame because last is scared. Well, we saw what happens when you blunder. Bad tank positioning and no target firing and no ghosts= Protoss Wins | ||
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