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Krossfire
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia1071 Posts
October 04 2012 10:26 GMT
#1081
leenock was so late on his drop defence....now Taeja doing whatever he wants on the map
For the Swarm * DRG *
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 04 2012 10:26 GMT
#1082
On October 04 2012 19:24 blackwaltz3 wrote:
fantasy vs sang on iesf's twitchtv channel in case anyone's interested
http://www.twitch.tv/nicegametv/


ooo! Fantasy! <3
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
October 04 2012 10:26 GMT
#1083
On October 04 2012 19:26 andaylin wrote:
lol leenock really loves this 3 base play.


like he has a choice on this map
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1084
On October 04 2012 19:23 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:22 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:20 SolidMustard wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:11 opterown wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:08 opterown wrote:
hey tasteless, whirlwind is 50-50 ZvT

statstics do not denote balance.

the roach all in/timing was pretty weak from leenock, fairly simple game for taeja ~

how else are you supposed to determine balance? haha

its incredibly hard to do determain balance. you need serious in depth game/replay analysis

Stats are affected by player strength, and if a player is better, they will go further in a tournament so they will affect the stats more than any other player. if MVP goes 16-0 and wins the GSL, terran will probably be favored that month in the match up, doesnt mean its imba, just means MVP is the best player.


Long-term statistics are not affected by this

yes but long term statistics dont take into account meta game shifts (which can change balance) nor patches. If you look at a 3 month period, it could have been T favored first month, zerg favored 2nd month, and balacned third month, so stats say 50% the whole time. Seriously, stats mean nothing

they're still the best thing we have for determining balance, i see no other way to reliably determine balance, unless we have a pro who is equally top KR GM in all races and is unbiased.

why do we have to decide balance? if we dont have a reliable method of determing balance, is it not best to just say "we dont know"
also you dont need a top KR GM to tell it for us and playing all races doesnt mean you arent biased towards a race.
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1085
TaeJa is everywhere man. Here comes the BL/Infestor usual play on this map.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1086
theres the mass queen production.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1087
On October 04 2012 19:26 andaylin wrote:
lol leenock really loves this 3 base play.


yeah man he loves not being able to take a 4th
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1088
Terran wins on his shipyard. Lets go to next map.
StooPidMonkey
Profile Joined July 2012
77 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1089
On October 04 2012 19:16 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:13 StooPidMonkey wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:08 Big J wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:06 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:05 Poorlilrich wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:03 Prugelhugel wrote:
Has anyone recognised that Taeja scouted the double roach warren and then started to prepare for an incoming attack?
If he didn't see it, the game would have turned out a bit different. Because this was a huge bulk of roaches.


It's hard to say whether Taeja thought the double roach warren was a mistake or not, because we don't know if he saw them both researching.

i think he saw them both researching. he started 2 bunkers and a missle turret immediately after the scan


it doesn't matter a lot. He beats that army with bio, Leenock thought it was Mech and made mass roaches, hence he loses.


If you know properly how to play starcraft2 ,you will know the missle turret matters as live or die!


Lol, Teaja beat that attack by walking out and 1a-stimming open field without any bunker or turret support.
He built that stuff because better safe than sorry.


It's hard to argue with anyone sub diamond league which I assume you belong. Why do you think he made 2 roach warrens? Mistake? No, getting inside terran's bases, then taeja has to waste all energy on scans and split his amry. And you know what?roach is not that uselss in small in engagement.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1090
And then there were queens.
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1091
On October 04 2012 19:23 summerloud wrote:
good guy leenock: sees that his first build was overpowered, then proceeds to lose with 3 other builds


nm, gna be queen/infestor/broods again
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1092
On October 04 2012 19:27 ujonecro wrote:
Terran wins on his shipyard. Lets go to next map.


If TaeJa wins here, he wins the series, so...
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1093
Go ghosts Taeja, just so people will shut up about them when you still die
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1094
On October 04 2012 19:27 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:26 andaylin wrote:
lol leenock really loves this 3 base play.


yeah man he loves not being able to take a 4th


Take main, baneling mine top of ramp, profit! :p
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styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1095
Please don`t talk about balance in a GSL Top8 Thread. Its just pointless.
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fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1096
On October 04 2012 19:25 fixed_point wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:22 fixed_point wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:19 fixed_point wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 fixed_point wrote:
Taeja vs Leenock
Game 4: Antiga Shipyard.

Taeja at 8, Leenock at 2

2:00
Double rax vs hatch first again

3:00
Leenock getting gas, taeja getting marines.

4:00
Marines and a few SCVs heading towards leenock's natural. Lings on the way for leenock. Taeja retreats and is building an expo.

5:00
Speed on the way for leenock. Marines are intercepted on the way back, but the lings are cleaned up eventually.

6:00
Third command centre on the way for Taeja. Leenock taking a third


8:00
Taeja going for banshees and hellions. Baneling nest on the way for leenock.

9:00
Leenock constantly scouting with a few lings, even taking out an SCV. Hellion harass gets shut down by queen, lings, and buildings.

9:30
Banshee harass starts, taking down a queen, but loses the banshee. Leenock making many units, ready for a baneling bust.


11:00
Leenock not moving out. Taeja takes his third, hellions roam the shipyard, but are unable to find many lings. Leenock decides to take the centre expansion while baneling bombs and a few zerglings takes out a few hellions.

13:00
Taeja ahead in supply, army is tank-marine. Spire on the way for leenock. The dropping starts for taeja whilst his army moves out. Taeja wrests control of the middle.


14:00
Drones sent to Leenock's building 5th instead of the centre. Good for those drones anyway because the 4th is getting seiged.

16:00
Greater spire on the way for leenock. Full infestor energy on 7 infestors. Taeja skirting around the outside of the creep.

18:00
Broodlords are done. Taeja's drops getting shut down whilst leenock moves out to the middle.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1097
On October 04 2012 19:26 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:26 andaylin wrote:
lol leenock really loves this 3 base play.


like he has a choice on this map

true, but i think he actually likes doing this.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
October 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1098
On October 04 2012 19:26 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:26 andaylin wrote:
lol leenock really loves this 3 base play.


like he has a choice on this map


Well, Leenock is still one of the only Zergs really comfortable in that situation. His control of Hive-units is scary.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 04 2012 10:28 GMT
#1099
On October 04 2012 19:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:23 opterown wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:22 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:20 SolidMustard wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:11 opterown wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:08 opterown wrote:
hey tasteless, whirlwind is 50-50 ZvT

statstics do not denote balance.

the roach all in/timing was pretty weak from leenock, fairly simple game for taeja ~

how else are you supposed to determine balance? haha

its incredibly hard to do determain balance. you need serious in depth game/replay analysis

Stats are affected by player strength, and if a player is better, they will go further in a tournament so they will affect the stats more than any other player. if MVP goes 16-0 and wins the GSL, terran will probably be favored that month in the match up, doesnt mean its imba, just means MVP is the best player.


Long-term statistics are not affected by this

yes but long term statistics dont take into account meta game shifts (which can change balance) nor patches. If you look at a 3 month period, it could have been T favored first month, zerg favored 2nd month, and balacned third month, so stats say 50% the whole time. Seriously, stats mean nothing

they're still the best thing we have for determining balance, i see no other way to reliably determine balance, unless we have a pro who is equally top KR GM in all races and is unbiased.

why do we have to decide balance? if we dont have a reliable method of determing balance, is it not best to just say "we dont know"
also you dont need a top KR GM to tell it for us and playing all races doesnt mean you arent biased towards a race.

because stats are always useful to see =]
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
October 04 2012 10:28 GMT
#1100
On October 04 2012 19:27 ujonecro wrote:
Terran wins on his shipyard. Lets go to next map.

If you notice it's 2-1. ^_^
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