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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5121
Rachel.. the players practice at their job, you should do the same
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5122
manner ForGG

just made a fan out of me
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10104 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5123
forgg looked great, it helped the stc biuld order but the unit control and the intense atack was great, never getting overconfident and always using his units, great game!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Anonymous_Coward
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom1347 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5124
On September 24 2012 03:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:23 Dodgin wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:22 JacobShock wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:17 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:10 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:07 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:00 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:57 syllogism wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:55 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see anything wrong with his answer about InControl.

Because you have, apparently, no conception of what's appropriate and smart to say in this context. I suppose you will learn in a few years, when you grow up


I am glad you are grown up then, but the point is that this question shouldn't even be asked and if i were Targa i wouldn't like people comparing me with Incontrol so his answer was more than ok.


Hmm. Why shouldn't the question be asked? Dreamhack is pretty responsive to the people watching stream and chatting, and I have no doubt that both here on TL and in the chat people were comparing Targa to Incontrol, given that they both have decent body mass. (Not sure about the muscle/non-muscle ratio in Targa's case, pretty sure Geoff is buff.)

You want to say i can be compared to like 20% of earth just because they are slim? That's very interesting. There was not much to say for Targa, either the fact that Incontrol is not the best player or their looks but comparing people just because of their looks is just...... boring. Incontrol is one of the best figures in e-sports as a caster or entertainer but Targa couldn't really say anything about this because he's just a player so there is no comparison.


That is not what I'm saying. What I am saying is, Rachel asked the question because it was already being talked about by the fans. She's bringing a perception of the fans up to a player, because it would likely be more interesting an answer than "How do you feel about that win?" (Obviously, pretty darn good.) Or the half dozen similar questions that end up getting the same generic answers. Rachel isn't making the comparison, the fans watching were - it's a valid question. And Targa's answer was in fact pretty interesting. A lot better than "You won because HerO didn't put a zealot in the choke. Was that luck or skill?" Incontrol hasn't played well for awhile, but he has done a lot better in caster/host roles in that same time. He has done very good things, but at the same time that question is not unlike ones that Incontrol himself might ask while doing an interview on that very couch.

I mean, really. What question would you rather Rachel ask that would have gotten a reaction on this scale?

And truthfully, Targa's answer is pretty valid. It's not BM, it's just his opinion. Not unlike Stephano's answers throughout WCS Europe. Not even close to the awkward several seconds before Stephano said he was honored to represent EU at WCS World.


Or she could start conversation about the games. I don't understand why interviewers don't do this more. She's a good host though.


Rachel's questions are pretty bad to be honest, the same thing happened last weekend at WCS EU where it seemed as though she just thought of questions on the spot instead of preparing anything.


Still going with this X_X


Yup, she's actually as bad as anyone has ever been at anything.

I can't think why she still has a job...


User was temp banned for this post.
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5125
On September 24 2012 03:43 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:12 TmzZ666 wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:10 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:07 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:00 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:57 syllogism wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:55 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see anything wrong with his answer about InControl.

Because you have, apparently, no conception of what's appropriate and smart to say in this context. I suppose you will learn in a few years, when you grow up


I am glad you are grown up then, but the point is that this question shouldn't even be asked and if i were Targa i wouldn't like people comparing me with Incontrol so his answer was more than ok.


Hmm. Why shouldn't the question be asked? Dreamhack is pretty responsive to the people watching stream and chatting, and I have no doubt that both here on TL and in the chat people were comparing Targa to Incontrol, given that they both have decent body mass. (Not sure about the muscle/non-muscle ratio in Targa's case, pretty sure Geoff is buff.)

You want to say i can be compared to like 20% of earth just because they are slim? That's very interesting. There was not much to say for Targa, either the fact that Incontrol is not the best player or their looks but comparing people just because of their looks is just...... boring. Incontrol is one of the best figures in e-sports as a caster or entertainer but Targa couldn't really say anything about this because he's just a player so there is no comparison.


Jesus, i really dislike You, but i agree on that man.
What a day!


it still stands that he had just beaten hero and chose to respond negatively. i understand that it's nerves in front of people that might cause such bad responses, but it just shows poor character, that's what people are jumping on. plenty of people are put on the spot by ridiculous interviewers and don't respond negatively/insulting other players (it didn't seem like a joke and nobody laughed, therefore it's not a joke just an insult).


It wasn't an insult and he showed anything but poor character, he answered the question truthfully.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5126
Time to avenge the fallen, Taeja! Do Liquid proud.
KahunaNui
Profile Joined October 2010
Spain257 Posts
September 23 2012 18:46 GMT
#5127
Man this blond girl asks the most uncomfortable questions all the fucking time. Why didn't you spam BM mules or dance marines? Cause I don't fucking want to, daaamn.
Q. You've been criticized for using cheesy builds in the past, but now people are saying that you've played some good games today. A. I'm glad that they think that way, but that won't stop me from using cheesy builds.(oGsHyperdub)
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5128
On September 24 2012 03:44 Type|NarutO wrote:
The... Korean.... translator..... kind of sounds like.... OMG! NIGHTEND!

ahhaha oh shit i hadn't noticed before, damn you :DD cannot unhear
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5129
hah.. I like how she speaks slower and in fewer words to the translator.

anyway.. gotta see this.. gl targa.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5130
ForGG so good, omg.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5131
Still angry over that Hero Targa game.

Argh. When I make that mistake fine, but Hero we're waitin for you to take another one! ARGH. [Also Taeja is going to hurt targa bady]
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28098 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5132
Let's go Taeja!!!
Administrator
siii
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway251 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5133
Can't just someone else give her some notes with questions, oh wait she can't handle that either..
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5134
On September 24 2012 03:44 Mouzone wrote:
I think ForGG showcases partly why most people have a hard time caring about koreans. He doesn't seem to care himself about going to the finals. He probably thinks it's no big deal going to the finals of a foreigner tournament.

xcept he is living in foreignland to play those tourneys and has an awesome style.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5135
On September 24 2012 03:46 Vaftrudner wrote:
송현덕 ‏@Liquid_HerO
Iamnothing

Hero I hope you cheer up. You're gonna crush in GSL!


Oz has got his back

김학수 ‏@FnaticOz
@Liquid_HerO You are my hero

of course this may just be two people who struggle at PvP coming together ><
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5136
On September 24 2012 03:46 Vaftrudner wrote:
송현덕 ‏@Liquid_HerO
Iamnothing

Hero I hope you cheer up. You're gonna crush in GSL!


Oh hero, we feel your pain. We will be cheering for you on Thursday, win in GSL!
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#5137
On September 24 2012 03:46 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:45 Dodgin wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:23 Dodgin wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:22 JacobShock wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:17 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:10 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:07 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:00 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:57 syllogism wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:55 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see anything wrong with his answer about InControl.

Because you have, apparently, no conception of what's appropriate and smart to say in this context. I suppose you will learn in a few years, when you grow up


I am glad you are grown up then, but the point is that this question shouldn't even be asked and if i were Targa i wouldn't like people comparing me with Incontrol so his answer was more than ok.


Hmm. Why shouldn't the question be asked? Dreamhack is pretty responsive to the people watching stream and chatting, and I have no doubt that both here on TL and in the chat people were comparing Targa to Incontrol, given that they both have decent body mass. (Not sure about the muscle/non-muscle ratio in Targa's case, pretty sure Geoff is buff.)

You want to say i can be compared to like 20% of earth just because they are slim? That's very interesting. There was not much to say for Targa, either the fact that Incontrol is not the best player or their looks but comparing people just because of their looks is just...... boring. Incontrol is one of the best figures in e-sports as a caster or entertainer but Targa couldn't really say anything about this because he's just a player so there is no comparison.


That is not what I'm saying. What I am saying is, Rachel asked the question because it was already being talked about by the fans. She's bringing a perception of the fans up to a player, because it would likely be more interesting an answer than "How do you feel about that win?" (Obviously, pretty darn good.) Or the half dozen similar questions that end up getting the same generic answers. Rachel isn't making the comparison, the fans watching were - it's a valid question. And Targa's answer was in fact pretty interesting. A lot better than "You won because HerO didn't put a zealot in the choke. Was that luck or skill?" Incontrol hasn't played well for awhile, but he has done a lot better in caster/host roles in that same time. He has done very good things, but at the same time that question is not unlike ones that Incontrol himself might ask while doing an interview on that very couch.

I mean, really. What question would you rather Rachel ask that would have gotten a reaction on this scale?

And truthfully, Targa's answer is pretty valid. It's not BM, it's just his opinion. Not unlike Stephano's answers throughout WCS Europe. Not even close to the awkward several seconds before Stephano said he was honored to represent EU at WCS World.


Or she could start conversation about the games. I don't understand why interviewers don't do this more. She's a good host though.


Rachel's questions are pretty bad to be honest, the same thing happened last weekend at WCS EU where it seemed as though she just thought of questions on the spot instead of preparing anything.


Still going with this X_X


Yup, she's actually as bad as anyone has ever been at anything.

I can't think why she still has a job...

Boobies, a useful talent toi have.

User was warned for this post
Glorious SEA doto
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#5138
On September 24 2012 03:43 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:38 duct_TAPE wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:20 duct_TAPE wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:01 Pure-SC2 wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:56 haegN wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I can't watch this anymore. Never tuned out of SC because of rage before but this is too much.
Screw this, screw zerg, Taeja wins this tournament.


3 Terrans in top 4 and you say screw zerg? -.-


Yes, screw zerg for making HerO all in and use stuff like this. Zerg is literally destroying the most beautiful thing there was about this game - HerO's PvZ.
I'm dead serious.


hero skimped on making a full wall or building a zealot. He cut that corner to get a build order advantage but Targa's build order countered it.

Stop fucking blaming balance.


I'm not blaming imbalance for his loss in this series, I'm blaming zerg because you can't beat them lategame so even the most macro and awesome to watch PvZ player in the world (HerO) has to rely on two base all ins to beat zergs FAR below his skill level.
Nothing was more beautiful about this game than watching HerO outmultitask his way to victory against even the best zergs in the world. Now he two base all ins vs people like Targa, like every other protoss in the world.

Well.


There is NOTHING that proves you can't beat zerg lategame as protoss, it's all in your head. Let me guess, you play protoss and HerO is your idol, and you start blaming whatever you can get ahold of when HerO loses? it's weak.




When was the last time you've seen a protoss beat zerg lategame when zerg didn't screw up?
HerO has said the reason he doesn't go to lategame anymore is because he can't beat zerg lategame anymore since zergs have figured out what to do. And if HerO can't, nobody can. He was the best lategame PvZ player in the world by FAR FAR FAR FAR. Now there is no lategame PvZ player.


Oh if HerO said that it must be actual fact.


And you're zerg, surprise

HerO + every other korean protoss. And let's not fool ourselves, there are no foreign protoss. Except WhiteRa, who also says zerg is imbalanced.
But I'm sure you know better.

Oh and you didn't answer the question about protoss beating lategame without zerg screwing up, surprise


No foreign protoss? I'm confused, there's tons of good ones.


None whose PvZ would be comparable to PvZ gods like MC, HerO, Seed. These guys know how to play zerg better than half of the players they lose to these days. It's just, it doesn't matter how well you understand the matchup.
All of them rely on two base all ins now, Seed tries to go to lategame 3 times against Symbol, loses all 3 games.

PvZ has become horrible to watch and to play. It's a shame, it used to be my favorite matchup when skill and multitasking could actually win you the game.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Fody03
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy310 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 18:49:05
September 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#5139
TAJEA BRING BACK BALANCE TO THE FORCE SMASH TARGA

gg
Terrans
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#5140
On September 24 2012 03:35 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:34 Hryul wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:29 Waxangel wrote:
ELEPHANT SMASH

And I thought you wanted to call out Hot Bid for pumping the elephant way too often?? . . . this treachery will not be forgotten!


nono, just for ditching the bandwagon at the speed of light once forgg fell out of Code S

darn. and i thought i got you. still elephant smash . . .
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