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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
September 19 2012 02:07 GMT
#161
I don't recall Noblesse ever being a Code S mainstay. He might have been in Code S at some point a long time ago, but that's it.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
September 19 2012 02:10 GMT
#162
On September 19 2012 10:56 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 10:50 Whatson wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:43 MasterKang wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:38 MasterKang wrote:
Dark may be the new DRG of GSTL


Except for the part where Noblesse lost a won game. And the other part where Monster lost a won game.

But yeah, he's the new DRG.


since when was Monster ever about to win? lol. Noblesse did screw up though, but Dark at the same time denied drops, had amazing engagements, and just had ridiculous staying power throughout the game so you can't take that victory away from him at all. It was a long game, so one player's mistakes don't decide the game only

It's not as if either Monster or Noblesse are in Code S. Not exactly the best opponents to compare Dark to DRG.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship/ChampionshipBracket

Monster came from loser's bracket to beat Sheth, JYP, Dream, Ryung, and MC until he lost to Alicia 1-2

Judging from your other responses I see that you're convinced that Dark will soon become another DRG...
Whatever, I'd rather not jump on the hype-train.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 19 2012 02:10 GMT
#163
On September 19 2012 10:41 TAMinator wrote:
SLayers didnt use ryung/Genius, MVP didnt use DRG/Keen
Im almost under the impression they aren't fully trying to win and more trying to give exposure and experience.


A lot of Korean teams do this. E.g. LG-IM is famous for doing this and have been quite successful. Now, if LG-IM sends out a Seed, Yonghwa, LosirA, First, Yoda line-up, we would feel they are sending some of their best. But if this was 6 months ago, we would claim that LG-IM wasn't trying. Teams need to get some of their lesser experience players some playing time and exposure.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 19 2012 02:18 GMT
#164
On September 19 2012 11:07 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't recall Noblesse ever being a Code S mainstay. He might have been in Code S at some point a long time ago, but that's it.


Yeah he wasn't. I think he was in Code S for 2 seasons and one of those seasons was in the group of death in the RO32 with MC, MVP, and Polt.

Funny (actually more sad than anything) how SlayerS wins without fielding any Terran and getting all their wins from zerg. Of course this has been a trend from them for a while but it still is weird every time it happens.

And were these games from a while ago? Because I find it odd that Puzzle played, thought he was on the verge of retirement.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 02:24:43
September 19 2012 02:19 GMT
#165
On September 19 2012 11:02 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 10:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:43 MasterKang wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On September 19 2012 10:38 MasterKang wrote:
Dark may be the new DRG of GSTL


Except for the part where Noblesse lost a won game. And the other part where Monster lost a won game.

But yeah, he's the new DRG.


since when was Monster ever about to win? lol. Noblesse did screw up though, but Dark at the same time denied drops, had amazing engagements, and just had ridiculous staying power throughout the game so you can't take that victory away from him at all. It was a long game, so one player's mistakes don't decide the game only


Monster won the game when he sniped the third. He should've teched to infestors and made units instead of being dumb and trying to end the game with pure roach. Paranoid almost lost to Sheth by doing the same thing, it's vomit-worthy.

Noblesse kills the natural hatchery and pulls back, takes his third and gets siege tech, pushes five minutes later and wins the game. What nonexistent tech will Dark summon to stop said push?


Since when is sniping a 3rd base ever game-ending? Sure he sniped the third and gained an advantage, but he sacrificed a ton of larvae and money on making those lings in the first place. Those larvae and minerals replaced drones that were consequently not mining from monster's 3rd. The supplies were still even after the 3rd snipe, the only difference really was the extra production for monster since he hadn't saturated his own 3rd.

He had already been going muta when he was sniping the third. To suddenly switch into infestor just because he killed the 3rd would've been a retarded decision because his infestors would have been much later and the gas he spent on spire and banking for mutas would have gone to waste. He's a Code S level player, I would check the math before calling his play "vomit-worthy".

What? You realize how fast zerg recovers with the inject larvae mechanic when they're not attacked? The only thing stopping Dark from droning up back to 70 in a heartbeat was Noblesse's non-stop aggression. Sure he didn't control his army that well, but he didn't actually lose anything. He just picked up all his units as he rallied them across the map and simply forced Dark to keep making lings/blings instead of drones. What more use would his units have just sitting at home protecting a 3rd base that wasn't under pressure from Dark anyways?


It's pretty much game-ending in ZvZ when the loser of the fight does not respond with a large push of his own.

Mutalisks allow you to drone freely while retaining complete map control. Any good ZvZ player understands that mutalisks are a waste of money besides their initial advantages, so you abuse their air mobility while you move onto tech that works better in a large fight. You'll always have the advantage because of the third, which grants you the gas to make the tech switch safely. The fact that Monster didn't do that when nothing was stopping him is sad. He could've went on auto-pilot and won the game just from the extra income.

Monster has never been a Code S level player. He has merely being a very good player with amazing macro. His micro remains poor; he still runs banelings into tanks as a habit. His unit compositions and tech transitions have always been simplistic. His decision-making is okay.

Yeah, Dark is going to drone back up to 70 workers! Without any queens! On two base! And he'll totally go to infestors during all that time and hold off a later marine-tank push easy peasy! And it's not like Noblesse lost units needlessly and gave his opponent time to rebuild his economy!
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
September 19 2012 02:32 GMT
#166
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
September 19 2012 02:58 GMT
#167
Glad to see CoCa play!
Disappointed I missed "Dark" play. Im always interested in watching players who I don't see often.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
September 19 2012 03:07 GMT
#168
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


yes what an awesome player. immortal sentries all ins makes one the a breakout player
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 19 2012 03:16 GMT
#169
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 19 2012 03:28 GMT
#170
SLAYERS FIGHTING <3
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 19 2012 06:29 GMT
#171
On September 19 2012 12:07 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


yes what an awesome player. immortal sentries all ins makes one the a breakout player

might be the new heart man
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 19 2012 06:38 GMT
#172
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


lol, afaik werra's captain sexually harassed someone else.
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36999 Posts
September 19 2012 06:41 GMT
#173
WTF

WHERE DID DARK COME FROM!?!?!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
September 19 2012 06:42 GMT
#174
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


Pretty sure that wasn't finale. I don't think whoever that is still plays anymore =/
Been a long time since it happened, I honestly have forgotten the player.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 06:43:47
September 19 2012 06:43 GMT
#175
On September 19 2012 15:38 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


lol, afaik werra's captain sexually harassed someone else.


On September 19 2012 15:42 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


Pretty sure that wasn't finale. I don't think whoever that is still plays anymore =/
Been a long time since it happened, I honestly have forgotten the player.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/1982_finale
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163268

it was finale (aka loverip)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 06:47:00
September 19 2012 06:46 GMT
#176
On September 19 2012 15:38 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


lol, afaik werra's captain sexually harassed someone else.


This article clearly states that it was LoveRip who was molested: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163268

Finale's page clearly shows that an alternate ID of his was LoveRip: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Finale

Furthermore, clicking on "LoveRip" on the WeRRa page on Liquipedia clearly leads to Finale's page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/WeRRa

Definitely was finale.

Edit: damn, opterown beat me to the punch
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 06:50:47
September 19 2012 06:49 GMT
#177
On September 19 2012 15:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 15:38 X3GoldDot wrote:
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


lol, afaik werra's captain sexually harassed someone else.


Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 15:42 bittman wrote:
On September 19 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:
On September 19 2012 11:32 RiceAgainst wrote:
Finale beating Coca and Jaedong recently, hmm, I think we might see more of him. I haven't seen the games though, so I can't really say much. I'm glad SlayerS won, though I would have preferred a 5-X in which X isn't a 4. I guess it gives more exposure to the lesser SlayerS players since their iconic players haven't been faring so well recently.


I always wish good things for finale, since he has had to deal with quite a lot of shit at a young age.

+ Show Spoiler +
He was basically sexually harassed by Werra's captain back in 2010 as a minor. This led to Werra's disbandment. Sad story


Pretty sure that wasn't finale. I don't think whoever that is still plays anymore =/
Been a long time since it happened, I honestly have forgotten the player.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/1982_finale
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163268

it was finale (aka loverip)


Wow....the more you know. Well he's doing pretty well now since he seems to be the current protoss 'ace' of MVP. Still a lot of improvement required, but he's been doing decently in team leagues for a bit now. And qualified for Code A in a more difficult fashion than the already difficult qualifiers hehe.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
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