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sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
September 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#5001
*an hour later*

chat still spamming that face and mods banning haha. Their fingers must hurt by now.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#5002
On September 16 2012 06:43 Pwnzer wrote:
Does anyone have an idea as to exactly how many drones Stephano lost that game?! I am simply stunned that he won that game, man he's is ridiculously good.


100+
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
September 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#5003
Basically tvz looks the opposite of what it did some time ago, when terran had the option of turtling and could take a beating or two without too much trouble. Now the zerg has that advantage.

Stephano played great as always but Lucifron really played better imo for 2/3 of the game. I hate zerg and french people equally though so bias is certain
Amove for Aiur
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#5004
On September 16 2012 06:47 Jochan wrote:
This is going to be a quick game, either Stephano is going to win or not with his all-in :D

Yeah, a roach push has never transitioned into a normal game ... you could even drone right behind it ..
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
September 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#5005
On September 16 2012 06:46 gh0un wrote:
Im surprised terrans still fail to incorporate ravens into that lategame thor tank helion viking composition.
A few turrets in front of your tank lines makes it almost impossible for ultras to get through to the tanks.
Once ultras reach a siege tank cluster its game over for them, if you have turrets in front of those tanks however, sort of like a little maze, ultras just dont fit through and have to kill the turrets first.
Given the ultras size, it takes surprisingly long for them to take down these FREE turrets, which buys the tanks a lot more time to do damage.
Other than that, Lucifron played pretty good.


Lucifron was definitely trying to make a star port transition. But he ended up having to spend all his resources to hold back Stephano's push and lost momentum due to mined out bases.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5006
To me, that was the highest level and best foreigner vs foreigner game ever, I'm trying to think of one comparable to it.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5007
On September 16 2012 06:47 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 06:45 Zeon0 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:44 TheSwedishFan wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:42 babybell wrote:
best european zerg? arguably best foreigner zerg?
DEFINITELY best foreigner.

Naniwa...

1-3 months they were pretty even, but atm Naniwa sucks tbh and Stephano continues winning everything (except MLG, wher he is "only" the best foreigner)

That's because EG offered him a contract but retracted it. They basically brought the EG curse upon him and ran. That is why Stephano is still winning, because the curse is on Naniwa now.

EG cursed combined with JYP touch curse, poor Naniwa.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3397 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5008
Caster bias is invading this discussion a little.
Lucifron did well but failure to secure a right-bottom expansion cost him the game.
He simply tried to finish off Stephana too early and payed for it.
Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5009
I hate that terran has no access to a good caster late game (or at least, that is what I assume, considering they don't make ghosts and the raven being a flying pile of dung). Infestor won that game. Also work hard to build a tank line, have zerg just attack straight into it without problem...Strategic positioning completely pointless in sc2?
jere
Profile Joined September 2010
United States121 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5010
How many hellions did Lucifron lose? I know he kill tons of drones but crap there were lots of hellions lost too.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5011
On September 16 2012 06:45 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 06:42 Zeon0 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:41 Huragius wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:40 KalWarkov wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:39 Rain.100 wrote:
really thought lucifron was playing better all game long :/


dont worry. you might be right.


Yep

shut up. nobody wants to hear your balance whine


Hey buddy, take your medicine and get some sleep because I think you are fucked up in your head.
Lucifron played a beautiful game and to many people myself included, he seemed like a better player that game. That's an opinion and if you can't handle different opinions and start accusing them as balance whine, you better leave the god damn forum.

He got blue flame 10 minutes late, he one of his only mining bases get shut down by 3 Roaches, he didn't build a single ghost against an army that was basically 16 Infestors and 4 Queens.

He made some absolutely critical mistakes, and it cost him.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5012
On September 16 2012 06:47 udgnim wrote:
Lucifron needed to add Ravens or Ghosts to his composition

Stephano kept trading evenly with Lucifron's mech army and didn't needlessly lose his Infestors allowing Stephano's zerg production & economy to eventually come out ahead

Lucifron probably didn't change his late game composition because he doesn't see Zergs of Stephano's caliber often enough to change it when he wins with it against most Zergs


are you serious ? if lucifron tried to have ravens he would have been dead a way before
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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kruxey
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria168 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5013
On September 16 2012 06:42 thOr6136 wrote:
why was luci expanding top? he should have go bot nice close path to defend... idk

crazy game tho

Ye but then main is too vuldrable and lets stephano expand easier to top.
I do agree that after his 4th got mined out he should have established a position at the botom base and expand there.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5014
On September 16 2012 06:47 Pwnzer wrote:
Does anyone know how many drones he lost in game 1?

Roughly 90, maybe up to 100. The tab wasn't shown often.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
September 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#5015
On September 16 2012 06:46 Zeon0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 06:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:43 Zeon0 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:42 Skelith wrote:
I do not understand... that engagement at the third, how the hell did stephano came out on top? o.o

Lucifrons army positioning was not the best and he had to many vikings imo


How can you say that he had too many vikings when he couldn't even shoot down the brood lords? He had too many siege tanks, he needed more thors.

how can u say he had too many tanks, when he couldnt even shoot down the ultras?

coz thors > ultras
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
September 15 2012 21:49 GMT
#5016
On September 16 2012 06:47 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 06:46 VyingsP wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:41 Gator wrote:
what did lucifron do wrong that game?


Nice game by Lucifron, but it's bad to be supply blocked when you need to get your 2nd banshee out, or to forget blue flame for 10minutes.


He missed a few Queen kills because of that. You could see the Queens need like 1 more shot many times, if he had the blue flame those would have been kills.


Do you realise what you're saying? O_o
I got five reasons for you to shut up
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
September 15 2012 21:49 GMT
#5017
On September 16 2012 06:46 Zeon0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 06:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:43 Zeon0 wrote:
On September 16 2012 06:42 Skelith wrote:
I do not understand... that engagement at the third, how the hell did stephano came out on top? o.o

Lucifrons army positioning was not the best and he had to many vikings imo


How can you say that he had too many vikings when he couldn't even shoot down the brood lords? He had too many siege tanks, he needed more thors.

how can u say he had too many tanks, when he couldnt even shoot down the ultras?

hence the reason tanks really should get buffed to 2 supply
vibeo gane,
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 15 2012 21:49 GMT
#5018
Such a good defence from Luci
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
September 15 2012 21:49 GMT
#5019
nice hold!!!
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
September 15 2012 21:49 GMT
#5020
60k viewers for day one of the euro finals that's sick cant wait for day 2 and the world finals!
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