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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:41 Vorenius wrote: Must have been shield. I know I saw him starting some attack upgrade. THgouh I'm not sure if it was +2 or +3 JYP's build went 1 armor->1attack->2armor->3armor->2attack->3attack on a single forge. He was behind in attack upgrades for a bit, but not nearly as much as people seem to think. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 pdd wrote: I don't know why it seems a lot of Terrans get too caught up with their fear of Protoss late game or something and don't bother expanding or putting up more CCs in the late game. Artosis put it correctly. While up 1 base Supernova could have retreated, gotten his upgrades up, medivac count back up and put up some macro OCs or even take an 5th and the location of the 5th would have given him a better position vs the expo harassments he faced IMO. SuperNoVa didn't need to expand, he needed to make Vikings, you never recover from losing 7 Colossi with a 37-probes economy. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:40 vthree wrote: With better ghost micro. Supernova basically lost all the ghost vs HT battles... True, but even though feedback has -1 range it lands instantly and before animation and it takes only 1 vs 2 snipes for ht. So with perfect control from both players, ht should actually win such skirmish. | ||
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montrey-
Poland9 Posts
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 IshinShishi wrote: I think jyp played very bad, but supernova played much worse, in fact this was one of the worst bio controls I've seen from a korean terran in quite some time. jyp played well, supernova played badly after the early lead he had tho, JYP's feedbacks and flanking storms were good | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:42 Asha` wrote: both! JYP didn't do awful, he played fine. But he basically did a 2 base Colossus all in that failed. Took a 15 minute third, which supernova then killed moments later, at which point it was nova with 4 cc's and better upgrades vs jyp on 2 base at about 18 minutes. Then Nova failed miserably to close it out while JYP whiffed on a hundred storms Thanks Jehct, never realised that =) JYPs many hidden templar were pretty good. He made up for bad storms with lots of storms. | ||
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kornetka
Poland129 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:41 Vorenius wrote: Must have been shield. I know I saw him starting some attack upgrade. THgouh I'm not sure if it was +2 or +3 He went armor weapon armor armor weapon, constantly upgrading from one forge. I don't think he ever get +3 weapons. | ||
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:41 TheDwf wrote: Make 25 Vikings and watch Protoss lose 42 supply in 14 seconds. then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 IshinShishi wrote: I think jyp played very bad, but supernova played much worse, in fact this was one of the worst bio controls I've seen from a korean terran in quite some time. you are just being overly biased because of JYPvT stigma, he did really well for the most part. " missed storms " are not always missed by accident, but used for zoning. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:45 Cramsy wrote: then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. Yeah right, with a 35 probe economy that is SO going to happen. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:42 Asha` wrote: both! JYP didn't do awful, he played fine. But he basically did a 2 base Colossus all in that failed. Took a 15 minute third, which supernova then killed moments later, at which point it was nova with 4 cc's and better upgrades vs jyp on 2 base at about 18 minutes. Then Nova failed miserably to close it out while JYP whiffed on a hundred storms I suppose that's one way of saying it. Another might be that JYP realized additional bases was secondary to winning the main engagement and so focused on that. As long as he's maxed out, another nexus does nothing. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:44 TheDwf wrote: SuperNoVa didn't need to expand, he needed to make Vikings, you never recover from losing 7 Colossi with a 37-probes economy. JYP lost 6/7 colos and he won.. Just saying.. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 pdd wrote: I don't know why it seems a lot of Terrans get too caught up with their fear of Protoss late game or something and don't bother expanding or putting up more CCs in the late game. Artosis put it correctly. While up 1 base Supernova could have retreated, gotten his upgrades up, medivac count back up and put up some macro OCs or even take an 5th and the location of the 5th would have given him a better position vs the expo harassments he faced IMO. agreed. put up PF on one of the corners of the map. | ||
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Gesarjack
Switzerland117 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:42 Asha` wrote: both! JYP didn't do awful, he played fine. But he basically did a 2 base Colossus all in that failed. Took a 15 minute third, which supernova then killed moments later, at which point it was nova with 4 cc's and better upgrades vs jyp on 2 base at about 18 minutes. Then Nova failed miserably to close it out while JYP whiffed on a hundred storms That's just completely untrue. He poked with his army and traded cost-effectively after sacc'ing a nexus he couldn't hold. He then went on to play one of the best PvT's from behind in the GSL. Double expand > sacc' two expos for most of an army (at little cost to his own) > constant harassment bringing the terrans eco to similar/equal terms (eventually it even became worse) > consistently winning the snipe/feedback war by bringing HT's in from weird, unscouted angles > amazing stalker/HT positioning denying viking shots - it all led to the most cost effective deathballing we've seen in quite some time. And it's against probably the second scariest TvPer in the GSL (MVP relies on sick mindgames, and Taeja is pretty much undisputed for #1). What more can you ask for? | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 pdd wrote: I don't know why it seems a lot of Terrans get too caught up with their fear of Protoss late game or something and don't bother expanding or putting up more CCs in the late game. Artosis put it correctly. While up 1 base Supernova could have retreated, gotten his upgrades up, medivac count back up and put up some macro OCs or even take an 5th and the location of the 5th would have given him a better position vs the expo harassments he faced IMO. All that supernova needed to do was get like 4 ghosts at a time, push with like 16, emp everything that moves, while stiming behind it, his upgrades and supply were far ahead, that should've been a free win, instead he chose to not max out fast and lose parts of his army while not doing anything but walking around without a purpose. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:43 IshinShishi wrote: I think jyp played very bad, but supernova played much worse, in fact this was one of the worst bio controls I've seen from a korean terran in quite some time. JYP actually played pretty damn good with some very good positioning and decision making. People just see all the whiffed storms and instantly say OMG HE'S SO BAD! | ||
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therabit
795 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:46 Qwerty85 wrote: JYP lost 6/7 colos and he won.. Just saying.. because he let his entire economy get killed by 3 stalkers | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:45 Cramsy wrote: then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. then have invisible ghost kill everything. then have carrier observer kill the ghosts. then have vikings kill the carriers. then watch mass stalker snipe the vikings. then counter with tanks thor. + Show Spoiler + lol just kidding, tanks suck vs toss | ||
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