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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:28:08
September 13 2012 22:27 GMT
#461
Nerchio knew what to do because ForGG did not scout. Surprise Roaches in your face = GG.

That was quite a convincing series win by Nerchio! Well done to him.
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
September 13 2012 22:28 GMT
#462
ForGG shouldnt complain about cheese when he is knows for his all-ins himself and plays the same greedy unsafe build every game...
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:30:01
September 13 2012 22:28 GMT
#463
On September 14 2012 07:22 Arco wrote:
Nerchio blind countering again..

The overlord saw a cc first at some point, before the roach warren went down I believe, so while he was possibly going to all in in some way anyway, he was sure of what the build was from the scout.

That is 100% the GREEDIEST standard build it's possible to go in SC2. There is no greedier terran build that exists and is ever used.
Doesn't matter what has happened, if it's potentially the final game in a finals, you don't go for 100% the greediest build which exists...
HOLY CHECK!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 13 2012 22:28 GMT
#464
On September 14 2012 07:25 r00ty wrote:
Remember that time when Grubby refused to play Nerchio without stream delay?

Ah well, we'll never know and don't get me wrong, mindgames, knowledge and Nerchio is damn skilled.


He is and proved himself offline often enough, also forgg was kinda predictable. First game, he blind countered what forgg always does, second game he hoped forgg wouldn't think nerchio does it again, 3rd game he obviously had to change it up but forgg was afraid and didn't go cc first and now the finishing blow in game 4. Sick mind games imo but ofcourse also a lot of luck and lack of scouting from forgg.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
September 13 2012 22:28 GMT
#465
Nerchio played ForGG on his stream ( Nerchio played random ) and ForGG did not even scout in THAT situation which Nerchio pointed out multiple times, its just dumb to not scout when going for an unsafe build.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
September 13 2012 22:29 GMT
#466
CC, Gas, Rax good build!
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
September 13 2012 22:29 GMT
#467
I don't think forGG was saying he cheated, he just expressed his dissapointment that he got the short straw with the builds every game

just some bad english
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
September 13 2012 22:29 GMT
#468
So how much did he win? Can't find the info, Liquipedia only says there's 3,2k in the pool
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:32:44
September 13 2012 22:32 GMT
#469
On September 14 2012 07:29 CruiseR wrote:
So how much did he win? Can't find the info, Liquipedia only says there's 3,2k in the pool


1. 1.300
2. 900
3. 600
4. 400

Edit: Take mentioned it on the stream.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
September 13 2012 22:32 GMT
#470
i guess something like 1.5k?
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:34:06
September 13 2012 22:32 GMT
#471
On September 14 2012 07:28 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 07:25 r00ty wrote:
Remember that time when Grubby refused to play Nerchio without stream delay?

Ah well, we'll never know and don't get me wrong, mindgames, knowledge and Nerchio is damn skilled.


He is and proved himself offline often enough, also forgg was kinda predictable. First game, he blind countered what forgg always does, second game he hoped forgg wouldn't think nerchio does it again, 3rd game he obviously had to change it up but forgg was afraid and didn't go cc first and now the finishing blow in game 4. Sick mind games imo but ofcourse also a lot of luck and lack of scouting from forgg.

Doesn't matter how good of a player you are. People will stay cheat for a 100% chance of winning money when they have a chance to lose, small or not. This is increased when they have almost zero chance of getting caught.

Not saying Nerchio cheated, just saying that this is a bad excuse.

Also, ForGG almost always opens up with 1base Hellion/Banshee TvZ intro triple CC.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
September 13 2012 22:32 GMT
#472
On September 14 2012 07:27 mikedebo wrote:
What a waste of electrons that final was lol


actually, no electrons were lost during that final... oO
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:34:05
September 13 2012 22:33 GMT
#473
I am by no means a pro gamer, but that build:

- CC first with gas
- directly into reactor hellion with SKIPPING the marine
- no scv scout
- no wall-in / (not destroying collapsable rocks)

.. uhm what kind of build is that? In my eyes thats a "rush me pls"-invitation-build.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 13 2012 22:33 GMT
#474
On September 14 2012 07:33 reapsen wrote:
I am by no means a pro gamer, but that build:

- CC first with gas
- directly into reactor hellion with SKIPPING the marine
- no scv scout
- no wall-in / (not destroying collapsable rocks)

.. uhm what kind of build is that?


Roaches dream build.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
September 13 2012 22:33 GMT
#475
Hasn't Nerchio done enough in offline tournaments where he couldn't have cheated to give him at least some credit that he has actual skill?
HOLY CHECK!
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:35:05
September 13 2012 22:34 GMT
#476
On September 14 2012 07:28 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 07:25 r00ty wrote:
Remember that time when Grubby refused to play Nerchio without stream delay?

Ah well, we'll never know and don't get me wrong, mindgames, knowledge and Nerchio is damn skilled.


He is and proved himself offline often enough, also forgg was kinda predictable. First game, he blind countered what forgg always does, second game he hoped forgg wouldn't think nerchio does it again, 3rd game he obviously had to change it up but forgg was afraid and didn't go cc first and now the finishing blow in game 4. Sick mind games imo but ofcourse also a lot of luck and lack of scouting from forgg.


Ye that's what i meant with "knowledge" and "mindgames", seriously. It's just when someone is hardcountering that often online for years it is suspicious. Nothing more, nothing less. A 5 minute delay wouldn't hurt, it's a lot of money.

gz Nerchio. Proven again to be one of the best Zergs around.

edit: ForGG should learn to scout.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
September 13 2012 22:34 GMT
#477
its an offer to the zerg to rush you before you get a fast and effective unit composition against everything but roaches... at least thats how i understand it ^^

and we all know the banshee is no counter to roaches according to Mondragon
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
September 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#478
Nerchio took out ForGG 2 - 0 in IEM Cologne not too long ago aswell.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3390 Posts
September 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#479
That was an unfortunate ending but not unexpected - forgg always had a thing for early aggression and would usually win with it or die trying.
The HotS unit usage was indeed rather low but I still think that it will get better with time - unfortunately in many cases a real revolutionary example will be required.
Hopefully we'll get another tournament when next few patches invalidate everything learned today.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:37:48
September 13 2012 22:36 GMT
#480
MILLENIUM CURSE.


jk but both players had a great run,forGG was almost perfect 2-0'd everyone until the finals.
I'm happy for both since they are good players but disappointed that we didn't see a lot of hots units.

A bit sad for forGG tho,he always do good but never first place,KONG.
RIP MKP
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