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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 29 2012 12:09 GMT
#1761
A little bit of (friendly) competition isn't between the 'two scenes' isn't all that bad. Keeps it exciting. Worst cases are (getting) disposed of anyway.
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
August 29 2012 12:09 GMT
#1762
MC will show'em how it's done.

It's not about the elephant in the room. It's more about MVP and MKP playing sub-par to their actual level.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
August 29 2012 12:09 GMT
#1763
On August 29 2012 21:07 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:03 The KY wrote:

On August 29 2012 20:56 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:54 Embir wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:51 Fusilero wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:50 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:47 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:45 Myrddraal wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:44 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Ugh, I hoped the KeSPA players would do well so quickly, but not against the M-Terrans - not like this!


Where is MMA when you need him?

Hopefully his extra M will keep him going.

You don't want to see MMA playing a TvP. He can't even TvP to save his life, he never could do it. And at this current state of TvP, well...


which terran is actually good at TvP?

Taeja, PirateTerran, MoustacheTerran and LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe


I thought Taeja = LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe?

Anyways - BO 1 format is pathetic, there is no way for preparation or clever strategies, mind games - it is just like one ladder match.

P.S. Also BW idiot fanbois are fucking irritating in this thread.


So are people like you who have been here for a total of 5 seconds and think they know better than OGN on how to format their tournament.


Just because they've used it for ages doesn't make it good.


I think with over 10 years of experience they know what is good and isn't good for their targetted audience. Their program is broadcast on cable TV across Korea. The people waching don't have the time or attention span to watch 12 potential 30 minute games a bo3 format might produce.


Bo1 in starcraft 2 is not good. We've seen it in gsl, jsut a matter of time before kepsa will realise it too.
crack
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 29 2012 12:09 GMT
#1764
Drama is fun generates viewers and is good for esport.

If you really hate it you shouldnt be watching competition
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 29 2012 12:10 GMT
#1765
On August 29 2012 21:09 Beyonder wrote:
A little bit of (friendly) competition isn't between the 'two scenes' isn't all that bad. Keeps it exciting. Worst cases are (getting) disposed of anyway.

Exactly,trash talk between fans keeps everything exciting ^^
Cackle™
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1766
On August 29 2012 21:09 Beyonder wrote:
A little bit of (friendly) competition isn't between the 'two scenes' isn't all that bad. Keeps it exciting. Worst cases are (getting) disposed of anyway.

I'd love GSL/OGN to take advantage of this. Imagine Mr Chae and some Kespa representative have a fake fight over this and using it as a hype video.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1767
On August 29 2012 21:09 Coolhwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:07 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:03 The KY wrote:

On August 29 2012 20:56 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:54 Embir wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:51 Fusilero wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:50 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:47 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:45 Myrddraal wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:44 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Ugh, I hoped the KeSPA players would do well so quickly, but not against the M-Terrans - not like this!


Where is MMA when you need him?

Hopefully his extra M will keep him going.

You don't want to see MMA playing a TvP. He can't even TvP to save his life, he never could do it. And at this current state of TvP, well...


which terran is actually good at TvP?

Taeja, PirateTerran, MoustacheTerran and LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe


I thought Taeja = LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe?

Anyways - BO 1 format is pathetic, there is no way for preparation or clever strategies, mind games - it is just like one ladder match.

P.S. Also BW idiot fanbois are fucking irritating in this thread.


So are people like you who have been here for a total of 5 seconds and think they know better than OGN on how to format their tournament.


Just because they've used it for ages doesn't make it good.


I think with over 10 years of experience they know what is good and isn't good for their targetted audience. Their program is broadcast on cable TV across Korea. The people waching don't have the time or attention span to watch 12 potential 30 minute games a bo3 format might produce.


Bo1 in starcraft 2 is not good. We've seen it in gsl, jsut a matter of time before kepsa will realise it too.

OGN are still a television company, they're sharing their time with tekken, that Korean CS, LoL etc they can probably only fit in a BO1 during a broadcast.
Glorious SEA doto
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1768
On August 29 2012 21:07 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:05 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:01 Dakure wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:55 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:51 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:49 GreggSauce wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:47 Serinox wrote:
Yeah, two Bo1 TvP have now decided that KeSPA will definitly take over. Sometimes people are really stupid o.O


or you're slightly more delusional.

have you not followed anything thats going on?

they've only been playing for months now against people who the metagame is based around


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea

you can cry yourself to sleep when things are proven once again when we see who advances in round of 16


And what would be a victory for ESF fans? Splitting 50/50 with KeSPA players would just be more evidence proving the elephant right.

To reinforce this, 7 out of 32 players were Kespa players. That's 21.875%
In the top 10, there were 3 Kespa players. That's 30.00%

Kespa players were overrepresented in the top 10 given the amount of Kespa players that entered.


6 kespa players were invited. And unless claimed otherwise, I believe all kespa players that were not invited have tried to go through the open bracket, which only 1 made it through.


(directed at nestled quote previous poster) it was actually pretty much proportional, as you're distorting a little bit by saying top 10. Since 12 qualified, 3/12 were kespa and 7/32 is as close to proportional as you can get.

Only the top 10 get sent to WCS Asia, I believe. The winner gets direct seeding to WCS Global Tournament.

Source: http://esfiworld.com/news/wcs-korean-championship-format-detailed

I agree that it's not very significant, but it's just something that's nice to point out.
Babru
Profile Joined September 2010
196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 12:12:43
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1769
Moletrap is a great caster. Not overhyping stuff, very relaxed, great insight/experience, good analysis every now and then. Dont understand the dislike ive seen here and there.

Edit: However, most casters are best in a duo where they complement eachother in certain ways.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1770
OSL RO16 Group D Day 2
Match 2520

BeSt MC

0:00
Best spawns as red in P2
MC spawns as blue in P8
Best just a second faster than MC
Undertaker cheerful!!

1:00
Both make a gate, 1:48 same time.

2:00
Gas for MC is a bit earlier than best
2 Gas for Best
MC core slightly ahead of Best

3:00
MC makes second gas.
First zealot for Best, MC skips
Warp gates for MC at 3:40
First stalker for MC now.
Second gate for MC, best makes a sentry

4:00
Best with a robo.
MC making 2 stalkers, looks like a 3stalker rush
Best adds another gate
MC placing pylons around the map

5:00
Twilight for MC
Obs on the way for Best
Third gate for Best
Immortal for Best
Kills MC's scouting probe
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1771
3 stalkers into twilight. Probably blink for MC. That'll give him a good advantage. It seems like this opening is actually the safest in the PvP's I've seen.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1772
MASTER-BAITER by Beast!
Atheist
Profile Joined December 2011
186 Posts
August 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#1773
vids make it difficult to see who's who
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1774
On August 29 2012 21:11 Dakure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:07 N.geNuity wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:05 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:01 Dakure wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:55 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:51 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:49 GreggSauce wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:47 Serinox wrote:
Yeah, two Bo1 TvP have now decided that KeSPA will definitly take over. Sometimes people are really stupid o.O


or you're slightly more delusional.

have you not followed anything thats going on?

they've only been playing for months now against people who the metagame is based around


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea

you can cry yourself to sleep when things are proven once again when we see who advances in round of 16


And what would be a victory for ESF fans? Splitting 50/50 with KeSPA players would just be more evidence proving the elephant right.

To reinforce this, 7 out of 32 players were Kespa players. That's 21.875%
In the top 10, there were 3 Kespa players. That's 30.00%

Kespa players were overrepresented in the top 10 given the amount of Kespa players that entered.


6 kespa players were invited. And unless claimed otherwise, I believe all kespa players that were not invited have tried to go through the open bracket, which only 1 made it through.


(directed at nestled quote previous poster) it was actually pretty much proportional, as you're distorting a little bit by saying top 10. Since 12 qualified, 3/12 were kespa and 7/32 is as close to proportional as you can get.

Only the top 10 get sent to WCS Asia, I believe. The winner gets direct seeding to WCS Global Tournament.

Source: http://esfiworld.com/news/wcs-korean-championship-format-detailed

I agree that it's not very significant, but it's just something that's nice to point out.

Creator can still play in WCS asia for the money like Scarlett and Vibe did for WCS NA even though they had direct seeds to the global tourney
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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superarmy
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand422 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1775
4 gate blink!
Walitgon
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia550 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1776
Wow this caster has no idea what is going on...
BRB laddering ^_^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1777
Moletrap learning the blink stalker standard build, nice. A little late, but nice -.-
Get off my lawn, young punks
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 12:13:06
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1778
Really questionable observing on the stream.. MC send probe up ramp, gets to the top, but doesn't check his vision to see if he caught sight of Bests Robotics facility.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1779
Ugh... It's Best versus MC... Whoever loses is, it's gonna be heart-breaking for me.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
August 29 2012 12:12 GMT
#1780
So many immortal already out. It doesn't look good for MC.
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