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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 29 2012 11:30 GMT
#1141
On August 29 2012 20:29 catabowl wrote:
Wow... I took a shower after MKP got a 50 supply lead... and comeback... he LOST?!?!?!

Somewhere... IdrA is smiling down deep


Who cares about him?
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
August 29 2012 11:30 GMT
#1142
On August 29 2012 20:29 NGrNecris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:26 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:25 NGrNecris wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:23 mostevil wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:22 Hazzyboy wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:15 tribulator wrote:
The funnest part about the korean tournaments recently is to read each excuse people come up with for every ESF player loss to a KESPA player.

Loser always plays bad - it's the law of sports, and even an underdog who plays the best game level of his career can beat anybody. Kespa makes SC II pros look bad cuz they outplay em, Rain was close to losing it but he kept coming back with nice storms and mis-storm would had ment end for him.

I dunno, suiciding all those ghosts wasn't Rains doing. He was playing solidly though.

you could say rain having good ht positioning forced mkp to get desperate with his emps


what good ht position. mkp simply rallied his entire ghost at tower, forgot about them, and they got demolished by zealots and colossus. There was no HT involved

i thought you meant during the actual engagements. mkp lost his ghosts due to not paying attention but thats attributable to the zealot harass in the main. also not much you can do when there are charging zealots on your ghosts anyways


uh, you can move your ghosts back. Its not like he has xel naga sights and can get away from them. He lost half of his ghosts before he even notices and pulls them back away, threw away like 8 ghosts and saved 3
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1143
Twitch chat is... amusing.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1144
On August 29 2012 20:30 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
MVP just won a huge championship with those wrists, you can't use them as an excuse.
GOGO Think of another one ^^

Or you could look at said tournament and see he fought a grand total of a single protoss.
He can get by with mech but not in this match-up.


he played two protoss and 2-0'd them both really easily ;o
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1145
On August 29 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:26 IshinShishi wrote:
not sad for mkp this time, he got cocky, chose not to end the game, got punished for it, rain's third was absolutely free kill, yet he let it stand, I even thought that he was saving energy for mass manner mules b4 attacking.

Why is this cocky? He made mistakes and seems to be way too nervous. That's all!

because he and everyone that plays this game at a mildly decent level knows that the game was over, sun had no way to attack or defend his third, there were no hts. no nothing, don't you understand? mkp let him live, that's cocky.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1146
On August 29 2012 20:30 WigglingSquid wrote:
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On August 29 2012 20:25 mikedebo wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:25 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
btw is there any other english caster lined up for ogn or is it gonna be solo cast moletrap all the way? i vaguely remember either torch or doa wanting to cast this.


Doa is officially in but sick... some talks of having Grubby come in too. I hope Torch gets a shot, love that guy

I thought that Torch had moved to LoL for good? It would be awesome to have him back to SC2 at least part-time.


Oh I didn't know that I can always hope haha
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1147
i do not understand why not every terran prevents the probe scout like this. it's so valuable to deny scouting. much more than those few minerals
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1148
On August 29 2012 20:28 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
MVP just won a huge championship with those wrists, you can't use them as an excuse.
GOGO Think of another one ^^

it does cut down on his performance


as someone who has struggled with RSI earlier this year, he has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

it is limiting beyond belief.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1149
On August 29 2012 20:24 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:21 forsooth wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:15 Evangelist wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:12 graNite wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:09 The KY wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:08 morlakaix wrote:
im a protoss player and honestly I have no idea how MKP lost this


To combat the protoss death ball you spread and arc. MKP kept running into a position where it was impossible to do that. If you try and kite a ball of units against storm, chargelots and colossus you're just gonna fucking die.


Marineking lost because he did not harass enough in the midgame and lost 5-6 ghosts for free.
He was maxed and didn't attack.

On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!!


You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss.


You can, it's just hard.

There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum.


No. Chargelot Immortal beats every mech composition.


You serious? Proper TvP mech is banshee hellion thor into seige tank battlecruiser ghost raven. I don't see chargelot immortal holding either of those.

I figured you were talking out of your ass, now I know for sure.

Mech doesn't work against a competent Protoss. At all. There's a reason it doesn't exist at the pro level.


Do you even PLAY competent protosses? Are you top 100 GM? If not, there are more than a few Masters level terrans that happily mech all the time, no problem. If the basic definition of competency is "higher than high masters" then every single person commenting in this chat is talking crap.

Mech works fine until you get to GM and if you get to GM you're probably good enough with bio anyway to win engagements with it so the whole argument is moot.

As the discussion started from a game between Rain and MKP, we can disregard the builds that work 'up to high master'. Yes, at amateur level you can pull off mech. You could pull off mech a long time ago at the pro-level. Then protoss learned how to defeat it. Only that at the lower levels, protoss doesn't have enough experience against mech. Let the mech strats rise and I fully expect them to crush just as hard in the diamond/master range, as soon as protoss have sufficient experience.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1150
can't lr this game sorry~
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1151
On August 29 2012 20:30 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:28 oneofthem wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
MVP just won a huge championship with those wrists, you can't use them as an excuse.
GOGO Think of another one ^^

it does cut down on his performance

He was still better than everyone at IEM Cologne.

being better than 60 does not mean he is better than 80. etc. don't know what you are not getting
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#1152
On August 29 2012 20:29 Drazzzt wrote:
I would be really astonished if MVP would lose this. I simply hope he plays better than at HSC

His TvP has always been impossible to get a read on. Even with a pretty good record overall he still randomly looks horrible sometimes.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1153
On August 29 2012 20:31 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:30 pmp10 wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
MVP just won a huge championship with those wrists, you can't use them as an excuse.
GOGO Think of another one ^^

Or you could look at said tournament and see he fought a grand total of a single protoss.
He can get by with mech but not in this match-up.


he played two protoss and 2-0'd them both really easily ;o

Beating feast is a good sign about his ability to hold 2 base all ins though.
Glorious SEA doto
StormIsAJoke
Profile Joined August 2012
Bangladesh5 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1154
Storm allows Protoss to get back into game when he is down 2 bases and 60 supply. Such a fucking joke. And don't say "Oh, he didn't micro against it," "He A-moved into the storms" ... That's exactly how the Protoss fights with their army, such bullshit. Broken game.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1155
TRIPPULL!!
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1156
Double CC all day, every day.
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1157
On August 29 2012 20:29 NGrNecris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 20:26 iky43210 wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:25 NGrNecris wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:23 mostevil wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:22 Hazzyboy wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:15 tribulator wrote:
The funnest part about the korean tournaments recently is to read each excuse people come up with for every ESF player loss to a KESPA player.

Loser always plays bad - it's the law of sports, and even an underdog who plays the best game level of his career can beat anybody. Kespa makes SC II pros look bad cuz they outplay em, Rain was close to losing it but he kept coming back with nice storms and mis-storm would had ment end for him.

I dunno, suiciding all those ghosts wasn't Rains doing. He was playing solidly though.

you could say rain having good ht positioning forced mkp to get desperate with his emps


what good ht position. mkp simply rallied his entire ghost at tower, forgot about them, and they got demolished by zealots and colossus. There was no HT involved

i thought you meant during the actual engagements. mkp lost his ghosts due to not paying attention but thats attributable to the zealot harass in the main. also not much you can do when there are charging zealots on your ghosts anyways

Rain was harassing MKP's main with Warp Prism and Zealots. MKP pulled back and left his Ghosts vulnerable. Yes, it was MKP's mistake, but it was a mistake that Rain sort of "forced."

And those are really important units. And they were at the Xel'Naga Tower so it's not like Rain's army came out of no where. His multitasking was being taxed.
Atheist
Profile Joined December 2011
186 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1158
Flying 2 gate
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1159
I want to see the build orders but instead of the production tab they put useless unit tab
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
xHQx
Profile Joined August 2012
Russian Federation601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 11:33:08
August 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#1160
predicting 1rax CC into 3 rax into fast +1 weap,steam + 2 medivac timing. Flying taking 3rd and dies.
oh wait nvm 3rd cc
are you evolving?
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