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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 29 2012 12:47 GMT
#2041
On August 29 2012 21:39 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:39 setzer wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


And like yesterday it was explained to you why they may have decided against having bo3 in group stages.


if it was I didn't see it, so please explain it again


OGN broadcasts on cable TV to a much more mainstream audience. The people watching don't have the either the time or attention span to sit through potentially 12 30 minute games. OGN is trying to maximize the amount time they get out their target viewers by having a pared-down format that has proven over the course of a decade to still be fair for the players. To advance, the players still have to win at least two games--the same a bo3.

SC2 is a different game but OGN is using the format that has worked for them over their storied history. I'm sure they will consider changing if feedback from the players and target viewers (not us) warrants it. Until then, deal with it.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 29 2012 12:47 GMT
#2042
On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.


Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs.


Now you stopped making sense.

He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.


anything to get a subtle bash at SC2
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 12:52:02
August 29 2012 12:48 GMT
#2043
On August 29 2012 21:34 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:33 ladyumbra wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:23 Kergy wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:19 nerium wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:16 Evangelist wrote:
FYI, Kespa fanboys, THATS what it looks like when a player gets dominated.


So, what do you call those games by MKP and MVP?


nono don't forget that many GSL players agreed to slump at the same time and lose to relatively new players for some unknown reason. Every game they lost was either them throwing it away or being extremely unlucky, skill was not involved AT ALL


MVP ran out of the candy Tarson gave him at IEM and is going through withdrawal therefore decreasing his ability to focus on the game. Please be sensitive when commenting on his performance , this is a difficult time for him.


Why all this "NO SKILL" shit T_T LR sucks these days


I was just making a joke and playing along with the person I quoted I watch BW too and I favour certain players over one another based on personality, playstyle etc not which scene they are from. Hell I may have IM flair in my sig but I was rooting for Fantasy over Nestea yesterday . I hate getting misunderstood in LR threads these days, I want good games and for the players I like to win, I don't care if they are Kespa elephants or Gom bears.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 12:49:38
August 29 2012 12:48 GMT
#2044
On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.


Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs.


Now you stopped making sense.

He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.


But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 29 2012 12:49 GMT
#2045
I think Bo1's are fun. If I want Bo3s or whatever, I'll watch GSL! This is a different sort of flavour that I find interesting -- possibly b/c I didn't get the chance to watch many BW OSLs
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
August 29 2012 12:50 GMT
#2046
On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.


Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs.


Now you stopped making sense.

He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.


But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.

Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand?
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
August 29 2012 12:50 GMT
#2047
On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.
volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins


better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 29 2012 12:51 GMT
#2048
i hate best of 1, but at least its somethign different. and once the GSL players stop being greedy and start being safer in this format the better. GSL can stay bo3, but I think its great to have different formats and different styles.
.
Live and Let Die!
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
August 29 2012 12:51 GMT
#2049
MC saves the day.
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
August 29 2012 12:51 GMT
#2050
bo1 is okay, this is in the TV and time is gold, flying, mc and raind deserved the victory, I don't see any problem
protoss living in da ghetto
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 29 2012 12:51 GMT
#2051
On August 29 2012 21:50 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.


Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs.


Now you stopped making sense.

He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.


But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.

Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand?


Which part confused you to believe i don't already know that?
Wayne123
Profile Joined July 2011
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 12:53:43
August 29 2012 12:51 GMT
#2052
I don´t understand all the Moletrap hate in here. I feel like people aren´t objective because they just want to hate on someone.

I´m aware that Moletrap isn´t on the same level as Artosis or Apollo but he isn´t as bad as people say he is. I don´t know how he was when he casted GSL but in the past 2 days his casting was Ok. Just because his GSL casting might have sucked doesn´t mean that he should get hate for that now. It´s obvious that he improved a lot and people should respect that.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
August 29 2012 12:52 GMT
#2053
On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.
volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins


better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault.
im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 29 2012 12:56 GMT
#2054
On August 29 2012 21:52 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.
volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins


better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault.
im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O


Because he is not, he is trying to reinforce your argument.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
August 29 2012 12:58 GMT
#2055
On August 29 2012 21:56 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:52 We Are Here wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.
volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins


better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault.
im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O


Because he is not, he is trying to reinforce your argument.
fair enough
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
August 29 2012 12:58 GMT
#2056
On August 29 2012 21:51 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:50 chisuri wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday

BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3


Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future.


What is the point of stoping to complain?

You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match.

I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it.


Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs.


Now you stopped making sense.

He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.


But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.

Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand?


Which part confused you to believe i don't already know that?

What kind of logic that makes you keep asking for confirmation that KESPA wants to change the format of the terrible nature of SC2 when I does say it in my reply that you quote?
Kralle333
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
August 29 2012 13:00 GMT
#2057
is it possible to watch vods anywhere?
Nukanite - www.last.fm/user/Kraller
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
August 29 2012 13:01 GMT
#2058
On August 29 2012 21:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
Pretty good results for gsl players, they are showing they can compete with big guns.

:D :D :D
good one :D
eujjjjj
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
August 29 2012 13:05 GMT
#2059
On August 29 2012 22:01 .vid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 21:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
Pretty good results for gsl players, they are showing they can compete with big guns.

:D :D :D
good one :D
lmao, how did i miss that!
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
August 29 2012 13:06 GMT
#2060
On August 29 2012 21:51 Wayne123 wrote:
I don´t understand all the Moletrap hate in here. I feel like people aren´t objective because they just want to hate on someone.

I´m aware that Moletrap isn´t on the same level as Artosis or Apollo but he isn´t as bad as people say he is. I don´t know how he was when he casted GSL but in the past 2 days his casting was Ok. Just because his GSL casting might have sucked doesn´t mean that he should get hate for that now. It´s obvious that he improved a lot and people should respect that.


I really don't think you've watched enough moletrap. I watched OSL VODs yesterday, and besides the giant pauses in play by play/analysis of the game, and usual wrong calls...he spent literally like 2 minutes of a game giving a full weather report in korea..not just like a little anecdote about the typhoons or a personal story about it; no, it was almost like listening to the weather report on tv.. and then he realized it and continued on with the game. I know he gets a lot of hate, but the guy is in an extremely priveledged position, and it would make sense for him to try to improve but theres been little to no improvement since he started at GOM other than less screaming. Contrast that with casters like Catspajamas and Husky, who have worked hard and gotten WAYYYY better at casting despite not being a tastosis or bitterdam level.

It was honestly very disappointing to not have good analysis during those games as well. The kespa players definitely have a different take on the game, and although some of the play was just really basic, there were definite things in how they played that were really interesting and its a shame we didn't get to hear about ANY of that. I mean you always have the option to mute, and fine, but you should be able to see where all the hate is coming from, especially from the internet.
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