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On August 29 2012 21:39 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:39 setzer wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 And like yesterday it was explained to you why they may have decided against having bo3 in group stages. if it was I didn't see it, so please explain it again
OGN broadcasts on cable TV to a much more mainstream audience. The people watching don't have the either the time or attention span to sit through potentially 12 30 minute games. OGN is trying to maximize the amount time they get out their target viewers by having a pared-down format that has proven over the course of a decade to still be fair for the players. To advance, the players still have to win at least two games--the same a bo3.
SC2 is a different game but OGN is using the format that has worked for them over their storied history. I'm sure they will consider changing if feedback from the players and target viewers (not us) warrants it. Until then, deal with it.
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On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs. Now you stopped making sense. He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.
anything to get a subtle bash at SC2
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On August 29 2012 21:34 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:33 ladyumbra wrote:On August 29 2012 21:23 Kergy wrote:On August 29 2012 21:19 nerium wrote:On August 29 2012 21:16 Evangelist wrote:
FYI, Kespa fanboys, THATS what it looks like when a player gets dominated. So, what do you call those games by MKP and MVP? nono don't forget that many GSL players agreed to slump at the same time and lose to relatively new players for some unknown reason. Every game they lost was either them throwing it away or being extremely unlucky, skill was not involved AT ALL MVP ran out of the candy Tarson gave him at IEM and is going through withdrawal therefore decreasing his ability to focus on the game. Please be sensitive when commenting on his performance , this is a difficult time for him. Why all this "NO SKILL" shit T_T LR sucks these days
I was just making a joke and playing along with the person I quoted  I watch BW too and I favour certain players over one another based on personality, playstyle etc not which scene they are from. Hell I may have IM flair in my sig but I was rooting for Fantasy over Nestea yesterday . I hate getting misunderstood in LR threads these days, I want good games and for the players I like to win, I don't care if they are Kespa elephants or Gom bears.
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On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs. Now you stopped making sense. He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault.
But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.
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I think Bo1's are fun. If I want Bo3s or whatever, I'll watch GSL! This is a different sort of flavour that I find interesting -- possibly b/c I didn't get the chance to watch many BW OSLs
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On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs. Now you stopped making sense. He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault. But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw.
Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand?
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On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins
better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault.
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i hate best of 1, but at least its somethign different. and once the GSL players stop being greedy and start being safer in this format the better. GSL can stay bo3, but I think its great to have different formats and different styles.
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bo1 is okay, this is in the TV and time is gold, flying, mc and raind deserved the victory, I don't see any problem
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On August 29 2012 21:50 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs. Now you stopped making sense. He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault. But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw. Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand?
Which part confused you to believe i don't already know that?
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I don´t understand all the Moletrap hate in here. I feel like people aren´t objective because they just want to hate on someone.
I´m aware that Moletrap isn´t on the same level as Artosis or Apollo but he isn´t as bad as people say he is. I don´t know how he was when he casted GSL but in the past 2 days his casting was Ok. Just because his GSL casting might have sucked doesn´t mean that he should get hate for that now. It´s obvious that he improved a lot and people should respect that.
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On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault. im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O
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On August 29 2012 21:52 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault. im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O
Because he is not, he is trying to reinforce your argument.
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On August 29 2012 21:56 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:52 We Are Here wrote:On August 29 2012 21:50 Tsutchie wrote:On August 29 2012 21:47 We Are Here wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. volatile or not, im pretty sure the better player usually wins better player or not, a lose is a lose. if flash loses to cheese, well its flashes fault. if mvp loses to cheese its mvp's fault. im not sure if youre trying to rebutt me, but thats my point :O Because he is not, he is trying to reinforce your argument. fair enough
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On August 29 2012 21:51 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:50 chisuri wrote:On August 29 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:45 chisuri wrote:On August 29 2012 21:43 Godwrath wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 Megaliskuu wrote:On August 29 2012 21:42 torm3ntin wrote:On August 29 2012 21:39 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 29 2012 21:36 Denzil wrote:
like i said yesterday
BO1 format is awful don't see why the don't change it to Bo3 Please stop complaining about this, this is not gonna change in at least one year into future. What is the point of stoping to complain? You guys should understand that SC2 is a more volatile game. This is not SC1 where the best player will most likely win any match. I do understand that OGN is an expert when it comes to SC1 but you can't come here (not you specifically) and tell the ppl to shut up because OGN knows better than anyone else. That is plain false. They don't know about sc2 and they are learning through it. Thats a problem with the game itself then, not OGNs. Now you stopped making sense. He made sense. If a game is better OGN doesn't need to change anything. The game is bad so OGN needs to change but it can't. So you will see a bad game, and no way out of that. And it's not OGN's fault. But they may want to fix it, right ? Which in the end is THEIR problem because they choose to do SC2. I know why they will keep the format btw. Which part of "OGN can't change it...temporarily at least" you don't understand? Which part confused you to believe i don't already know that?
What kind of logic that makes you keep asking for confirmation that KESPA wants to change the format of the terrible nature of SC2 when I does say it in my reply that you quote?
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is it possible to watch vods anywhere?
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On August 29 2012 21:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
Pretty good results for gsl players, they are showing they can compete with big guns.
:D :D :D
good one :D
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On August 29 2012 22:01 .vid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
Pretty good results for gsl players, they are showing they can compete with big guns. :D :D :D good one :D lmao, how did i miss that!
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On August 29 2012 21:51 Wayne123 wrote:
I don´t understand all the Moletrap hate in here. I feel like people aren´t objective because they just want to hate on someone.
I´m aware that Moletrap isn´t on the same level as Artosis or Apollo but he isn´t as bad as people say he is. I don´t know how he was when he casted GSL but in the past 2 days his casting was Ok. Just because his GSL casting might have sucked doesn´t mean that he should get hate for that now. It´s obvious that he improved a lot and people should respect that.
I really don't think you've watched enough moletrap. I watched OSL VODs yesterday, and besides the giant pauses in play by play/analysis of the game, and usual wrong calls...he spent literally like 2 minutes of a game giving a full weather report in korea..not just like a little anecdote about the typhoons or a personal story about it; no, it was almost like listening to the weather report on tv.. and then he realized it and continued on with the game. I know he gets a lot of hate, but the guy is in an extremely priveledged position, and it would make sense for him to try to improve but theres been little to no improvement since he started at GOM other than less screaming. Contrast that with casters like Catspajamas and Husky, who have worked hard and gotten WAYYYY better at casting despite not being a tastosis or bitterdam level.
It was honestly very disappointing to not have good analysis during those games as well. The kespa players definitely have a different take on the game, and although some of the play was just really basic, there were definite things in how they played that were really interesting and its a shame we didn't get to hear about ANY of that. I mean you always have the option to mute, and fine, but you should be able to see where all the hate is coming from, especially from the internet.
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