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As usual, don't player bash, don't flame, and don't balance whine. Failure to heed this warning will have consequences.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
August 19 2012 12:45 GMT
#681
On August 19 2012 21:40 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 21:36 Pandain wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:34 Killmouse wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:33 Makro wrote:
btw even fighting games have more viewers than starcraft 2

yea sc2 is dyin


What?
Was this sarcasm?
SC2 esports has never been bigger, and the viewer base is going to explode after HOTS is released, of course in between expansions viewership will go down.And this is IEM lol, not the highest priority for a sc2 fan. Especially a ZvZ


yeah ofc after hots sc2 will gain again many many viewers, but right now , it is not the same viewerbase as last year, i remeber mlg goin 1000 pages, tsl gettin 60-70 k viewers since ro 32, etc etc


last year you get like 5 MLG and 1 TSL per year, with the occasional GSL thrown in here and there. Most tourneys haven't started or picked up sc2 yet

Now you have GSL, GSTL, 10+ mlg (thanks arena), HSC, Iron squad, NASL, IPL, dreamhacks, IGNleagues, weekly playhem/korean weekly, WCG, WCS, IEM, and now OSL and proleague. I don't see so many leagues surviving at the end, but this will definitely burn out and spread viewer interests thin
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 19 2012 12:45 GMT
#682
Nerchio has so much rssources banked, just get your upgrades.
icecreamlolz
Profile Joined February 2012
205 Posts
August 19 2012 12:45 GMT
#683
i am quite unsure about going full basetrade with broods.
mcbosstossgsl2012season1<3
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 19 2012 12:45 GMT
#684
bls vs bls
battle of the ages
IM & EG supporter
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 12:46:31
August 19 2012 12:45 GMT
#685
On August 19 2012 21:44 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 21:40 Killmouse wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:36 Pandain wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:34 Killmouse wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:33 Makro wrote:
btw even fighting games have more viewers than starcraft 2

yea sc2 is dyin


What?
Was this sarcasm?
SC2 esports has never been bigger, and the viewer base is going to explode after HOTS is released, of course in between expansions viewership will go down.And this is IEM lol, not the highest priority for a sc2 fan. Especially a ZvZ


yeah ofc after hots sc2 will gain again many many viewers, but right now , it is not the same viewerbase as last year, i remeber mlg goin 1000 pages, tsl gettin 60-70 k viewers since ro 32, etc etc


I think getting 30k for an IEM ZvZ is amazing in itself, especially considering the really awkward time for NA.

If you really want to judge the state of starcraft, always look at the crowd. This crowd is fucking huge(if you've seen the panorama on reddit), and its fucking passionate. To come all the way for an IEM in a ZvZ between (only) nerchio and violet is amazing.

I won't be suprised if we reach 40-50k during the MVP match, and even 60k if MVP makes it to the finals.

For TSL, keep in mind that THAT was the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT of its kind back then. Yeah there was GSL/MLG, but they weren't of the real same "prestige" that TSL had. It was the first TSL that 90% of the new wave of teamliquiders had a chance to expiriencee....

I am so happy with the state of esports, and HOTS is going to do so much for the game I think it'll be bigger than we can even imagine today.

i would imagine over 60K for an mvp finals because lol will be over by then(they are in grand finals now), and it will be a t a much better time
-edit- although not 175k like LoL is
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 12:48:05
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#686
I think AgentChaos will post gg anytime now.

Edit: Nailed it.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#687
zomg havent seen a game like this ever i think. i've seen ultra vs broodlord though.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#688
Damn, Violet's got this.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#689
This is an amazing ZvZ ^^
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33714 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#690
this game is kind of a mess
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#691
intense lategame basetrade!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#692
This is what every ZvZ series should be like. I woke up after 9 hours without power to this, needless to say I'm a happy boy.
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#693
Nerchio choked like a little girl.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 19 2012 12:46 GMT
#694
Violet has got this

goooooo violet
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#695
That is an epic ZvZ Series.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#696
gg
IM & EG supporter
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#697
I like to think I understand SC2, then ZvZ makes me wtf for the entire match.
Glorious SEA doto
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#698
On August 19 2012 21:45 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 21:40 Killmouse wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:36 Pandain wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:34 Killmouse wrote:
On August 19 2012 21:33 Makro wrote:
btw even fighting games have more viewers than starcraft 2

yea sc2 is dyin


What?
Was this sarcasm?
SC2 esports has never been bigger, and the viewer base is going to explode after HOTS is released, of course in between expansions viewership will go down.And this is IEM lol, not the highest priority for a sc2 fan. Especially a ZvZ


yeah ofc after hots sc2 will gain again many many viewers, but right now , it is not the same viewerbase as last year, i remeber mlg goin 1000 pages, tsl gettin 60-70 k viewers since ro 32, etc etc


last year you get like 5 MLG and 1 TSL per year, with the occasional GSL thrown in here and there. Most tourneys haven't started or picked up sc2 yet

Now you have GSL, GSTL, 10+ mlg (thanks arena), HSC, Iron squad, NASL, IPL, dreamhacks, IGNleagues, weekly playhem/korean weekly, WCG, WCS, IEM, and now OSL and proleague. I don't see so many leagues surviving at the end, but this will definitely burn out and spread viewer interests thin

it's good in that it provides a slightly steadier income for the pros though, there's a larger number of tourneys giving a more consistent cash flow
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#699
Poll: Recommend viOLet vs. Nerchio Game 4?

Yes (24)
 
80%

If you have time (3)
 
10%

No (3)
 
10%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend viOLet vs. Nerchio Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): No


ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#700
game 5 of zvz is fine i just really hope for a tvz final
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