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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2121
On August 14 2012 21:12 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:08 Wintex wrote:
Hero[join], the dong and effort wont last next round. Genius, Tails and Gumibear will decimate them. This was so horribad.


Who's got the free win vs Tails? xD

Rofl Tails. Gumiho seems spotty too. but yes Genius is about to wreck, and gumiho will likely win. Tails is 60/40.
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Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2122
On August 14 2012 21:05 figq wrote:
Today:
[image loading]


dat poor bear getting drained for bile today
n.Die_Jaedong
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2123
We shall see, I think HerO can do it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2124
On August 14 2012 21:12 Porcelina wrote:
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On August 14 2012 21:11 Dodgin wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:10 BlindKill wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:10 Wintex wrote:
Can't wait for the fashion show. Please Hero, don't roll over and die. The lack of good games except game 3 drg/effort = me sad.

wait what I thought hero is the favourite here


Creator PvP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hero PvP


/sniffle
/sigh
/cry

Don't. Want. To. Admit.

...


It's okay to admit he's not favored, I'm cheering for him to win too but It's not going to be easy at all.
ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2125
On August 14 2012 21:13 gape.ninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:12 ScaringKids wrote:
Anyone know name of this song pls?

look at the bottom left


missed it, player was minimized
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#2126
On August 14 2012 21:12 silent_owl wrote:
Actually have never seen Creator play before. Am I in for a treat or should I just go to bed?

creator's really good
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2127
On August 14 2012 21:04 Notfragile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 20:54 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:48 Assirra wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:42 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:38 The KY wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:31 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:27 The KY wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:25 opterown wrote:
guys, Squeegy is the biggest pro-bw poster ever, i recommend not getting into arguments with him


Earlier he posted, without irony, 'U mad??'

Yeah just let him get on with it.


But I explain my reasoning in my posts and I welcome anyone to disagree with the points. But nobody ever actually produces an argument. They assert and they twist. Explain a flaw in my reasoning and I will listen.

Of course that "u mad" would be an exception.


Because no one really cares about whatever point it actually is that you're trying to make when it's sandwiched with all the smug flame baiting. A player we all expect to be really good beat a player who seems to be slumping compared to his previous domination. The time to start shouting that the domination of the clearly superior kespa players is beginning is not now, when there's no actual evidence for that.


If I were to listen to you, it would never be there. Everytime a player is slumping or playing below his standards. If that is the case, then I think the more reasonable explanation is that you're rating the GSL palyers based on their best. Not on their average. Kespa are already competetive with GSL, I think that is quite established.

I don't think that many people are denying that some kespa players can indeed play on GSL lvl. However isn't it normal that people want their favorite players to be on their best and when they play lower and get defeated they say it? DRG for instance has been mentally down ever since GSL/GSTL semi finals. SC has been in the hospital for quite some time.
Does that mean that the kespa players didn't outplayed them? ofc they did. And i would love if some of them qualified for the next GSL. New players in a competition is always good.
Oh and just a tip, don't seriously mention that article if you want to be taken serious. It was a bunch of nonsense that was written way to early on the basis that sc2 wouldn't evolve at all.


Because they are excuses. Has been mentally down? What does that really mean. How much worse is he playing? I can guarantee you that game three he played great. Effort was just better. Moreover, the validity of the claims of them playing below their standard are, well, questionable when it according to some happens every single time they lose. Note: I am not saying every time Kespa player has won, it has been the GSL player playing their best.

Who are you to tell me not to mention it? That article was essentially the opinion of any BW player at the time. Including mine. And it still is. And it makes sense. People just keep misunderstanding it and building strawmen.


It makes sense???? It made sense back when the game was a slugfest on 1-2 bases. Not anymore. The article is outdated, the game has evolved a lot from there and you should open your eyes and see that.

BW switchers completely taking over the SCII scene? The best of the BW pros are on a course to go top code S. And that is good, really good for the game, the viewership and the competition. But "SCII competition is a farce"? That was the main quote. Do you stand by it?

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"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn."


Crush any other players. Really? Does this happen? It has been a few months. Where's the "crush" of "everyone"? BW elitists just now celebrate (and happily flame since they won't get moderated) the first few victories. Do you still stand by this article, when it has been completely false?


But that is exactly the point. The competition was a farce at the time. It is not a farce now. It hasn't been a farce for a while. These players are good. But that was the part of the article that was relevant only at the time. The point of the article was that there are guys more talented and hardworking than MC for example. That is why they are expected to dominate eventually, not instantly (nobody ever claimed that) and maybe not even by the end of this year. But many think they will.

On August 14 2012 21:02 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 20:54 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:48 Assirra wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:42 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:38 The KY wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:31 Squeegy wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:27 The KY wrote:
On August 14 2012 20:25 opterown wrote:
guys, Squeegy is the biggest pro-bw poster ever, i recommend not getting into arguments with him


Earlier he posted, without irony, 'U mad??'

Yeah just let him get on with it.


But I explain my reasoning in my posts and I welcome anyone to disagree with the points. But nobody ever actually produces an argument. They assert and they twist. Explain a flaw in my reasoning and I will listen.

Of course that "u mad" would be an exception.


Because no one really cares about whatever point it actually is that you're trying to make when it's sandwiched with all the smug flame baiting. A player we all expect to be really good beat a player who seems to be slumping compared to his previous domination. The time to start shouting that the domination of the clearly superior kespa players is beginning is not now, when there's no actual evidence for that.


If I were to listen to you, it would never be there. Everytime a player is slumping or playing below his standards. If that is the case, then I think the more reasonable explanation is that you're rating the GSL palyers based on their best. Not on their average. Kespa are already competetive with GSL, I think that is quite established.

I don't think that many people are denying that some kespa players can indeed play on GSL lvl. However isn't it normal that people want their favorite players to be on their best and when they play lower and get defeated they say it? DRG for instance has been mentally down ever since GSL/GSTL semi finals. SC has been in the hospital for quite some time.
Does that mean that the kespa players didn't outplayed them? ofc they did. And i would love if some of them qualified for the next GSL. New players in a competition is always good.
Oh and just a tip, don't seriously mention that article if you want to be taken serious. It was a bunch of nonsense that was written way to early on the basis that sc2 wouldn't evolve at all.


Because they are excuses. Has been mentally down? What does that really mean. How much worse is he playing? I can guarantee you that game three he played great. Effort was just better. Moreover, the validity of the claims of them playing below their standard are, well, questionable when it according to some happens every single time they lose. Note: I am not saying every time Kespa player has won, it has been the GSL player playing their best.

Who are you to tell me not to mention it? That article was essentially the opinion of any BW player at the time. Including mine. And it still is. And it makes sense. People just keep misunderstanding it and building strawmen.

How much worse has he been playing? Just watch his match against creator alone. The old DRG would never attack up a ramp with his whole army when the protoss was waiting for it. in the same match next set he won but he lost so much muta's he would never have lost before. DRG hasn't won a single match since the GSL ro8.
Was Effort better? Hell yea he was better, otherwise he didn't win.
Note: i am not saying this is not for every GSL player but DRG is atm simply not playing on his standard.

What strawman arguement exactly? read the article and i quote again.
Show nested quote +

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch.

It's not a strawman argument when its taking litterly from the article right?
and please don't start with the "it meant something different" or "read between the lines" crap.


Yes, it is. Because a lot of things written are not to be taken literally. When I understand something, I don't stand under that something. Language is very imprecise and interpreting things exactly as they are written is, well, silly unless it is something like an instruction manual or a scientific paper. The elephant article does not really take reading between the lines or understanding it in some strange way. It is a simple and easy to understand argument. People just are not good at understanding arguments.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2128
On August 14 2012 21:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
Something rotten in Slayers right now

EG should send HuK over... it appears SlayerS could use a good douching.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2129
Fresh HerO.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2130
On August 14 2012 21:12 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:08 Wintex wrote:
Hero[join], the dong and effort wont last next round. Genius, Tails and Gumibear will decimate them. This was so horribad.


Who's got the free win vs Tails? xD


Tails vs hero[join]. Tails, please don't disappoint me and slay.
The Bomber boy
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2131
Why got the jackie chan picture a warning and the other pictures not?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2012 12:14 GMT
#2132
Phresh hair.
twitch.tv/medrea
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2133
On August 14 2012 21:13 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:10 BlindKill wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:10 Wintex wrote:
Can't wait for the fashion show. Please Hero, don't roll over and die. The lack of good games except game 3 drg/effort = me sad.

wait what I thought hero is the favourite here


Creator vs Hero record

welp..... Now we just need to find out whether or not Creator thinks that PvP is all skill.
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2134
oh wolf...
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 12:15:39
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2135
On August 14 2012 21:14 Chexx wrote:
Why got the jackie chan picture a warning and the other pictures not?

i think its cause its a meme
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2136
On August 14 2012 21:09 DamageControL wrote:
Of course we want KeSPA players to succeed. We don't want the players we love to fall into irrelevancy. More than that--it reaffirms that our game, BW, was the best one if our players were the best players. Unfortunately, our fandom seems to lead to irrational zealotry and insulting established SC2 players.


Actually, it's not the fandom that leads to such things, but more the "ROFL THEY GOT STOMPED, SC2 IS SHIT".

Well, mutual respect is kinda hard to find these days it seems.

The fact that I like SC2 doesn't make me disrespect BW.

Sadly, there are fanatics that can't understand the fact that liking one game doesn't automatically mean the other one doesn't deserve any respect.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2137
Lets go Hero!!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2138
On August 14 2012 21:15 BlindKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:13 Asha` wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:10 BlindKill wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:10 Wintex wrote:
Can't wait for the fashion show. Please Hero, don't roll over and die. The lack of good games except game 3 drg/effort = me sad.

wait what I thought hero is the favourite here


Creator vs Hero record

welp..... Now we just need to find out whether or not Creator thinks that PvP is all skill.

nah he hates the matchup
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2139
On August 14 2012 21:14 Chexx wrote:
Why got the jackie chan picture a warning and the other pictures not?


Meme image versus original artwork.

TL is not a place for meme generated pictures.
twitch.tv/medrea
gape.ninja
Profile Joined April 2011
Japan249 Posts
August 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#2140
On August 14 2012 21:13 ScaringKids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:13 gape.ninja wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:12 ScaringKids wrote:
Anyone know name of this song pls?

look at the bottom left


missed it, player was minimized


it was cheryl cole something and... pod something... :<
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