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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote: Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg. and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups. | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
Edit: It was ladder | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:26 nojok wrote: Terrans just lurk so they can get a free buff next patch! It's long term investment. More seriously I think it's just a coincidence that HSC V & this qualifier happen the same week. How exactly does it explain the lack of Terran here? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote: It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct. Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record in ZvZ is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. Stephano has a higher ZvZ win % than him by a large %. What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times. | ||
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archonOOid
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote: Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times. Well this is the case for most zergs. But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:51 archonOOid wrote: stephano needs more practise! He just moved in to a flat in paris and there wasn't any internet there at the first couple of days/weeks(?). Why can't he practise in the Millenium house? Because the Millenium house is located in the Marseille if I'm not mistaken | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:48 Ylrahc wrote: and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups. does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT?  | ||
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote: No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring. But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:52 00Visor wrote: Well this is the case for most zergs. But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to. That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote: But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive. Pvp isn't ROFL | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:56 gruff wrote: That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm. It's always been a problem, but Stephano is not helpless in ZvZ - he's beaten excellent ZvZers in other tournaments. He's just not stable at it, and this costs him tournaments at times - this time, it cost him TSL 4. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
I understand he's trolling but he should stop and just cast the damn game. | ||
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game? | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On July 11 2012 03:54 TitleRug wrote: does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT? Kind of, if you want to win big tournaments you need to be able to beat good terrans and protosses too  Cytoplasm has become a lot better the last months and has done some good results here and there, I actually took interest in his results after his consecutive wins against Stephano in a team cup, his training in Korea paid off. He is not yet at the level of Stephano / Nerchio / Dimaga / Ret, he lacks some experience (pretty sure had this match happened live / on stage, Stephano would have won), but he is getting there. Maybe TSL will be his break into the scene ?  | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On July 11 2012 04:00 Sp00ly wrote: You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game? You know...I think I might. Random colossi battles are horrible to watch. At one point it looked like PvP was going to revolve around speed warp prisms with immortals. Woulda been so sick. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
PvPs are fine as long as they don't go to late game with giraffe wars or motherships. | ||
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