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[TSL4] Qualifier 13 - EU/NA #9 - Page 20

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Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:51:45
July 10 2012 18:48 GMT
#381
On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote:
Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg.

and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups.
Shadow and dust
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
July 10 2012 18:49 GMT
#382
One more chance tomorrow on the American server.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:50:41
July 10 2012 18:49 GMT
#383
monchi just beat a Protoss, dunno who cause his name didn't match the bracket.

Edit: It was ladder
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 10 2012 18:50 GMT
#384
On July 11 2012 03:26 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:21 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:20 Sroobz wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:19 Snowbear wrote:
What is going on with all the terrans these days?? Lucifron is the only terran left in the ro 16. Are other terrans sleeping???


That must be it! Terrans are sleeping

That'll shut up the balance whiners!

Terrans just lurk so they can get a free buff next patch! It's long term investment. More seriously I think it's just a coincidence that HSC V & this qualifier happen the same week.

How exactly does it explain the lack of Terran here?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:51:57
July 10 2012 18:50 GMT
#385
On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote:
I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch

It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct.


Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record in ZvZ is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. Stephano has a higher ZvZ win % than him by a large %.

What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
July 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#386
stephano needs more practise! He just moved in to a flat in paris and there wasn't any internet there at the first couple of days/weeks(?). Why can't he practise in the Millenium house?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:53:01
July 10 2012 18:52 GMT
#387
On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote:
I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch

It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct.


Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio.

What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.


Well this is the case for most zergs.
But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to.
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
July 10 2012 18:53 GMT
#388
On July 11 2012 03:51 archonOOid wrote:
stephano needs more practise! He just moved in to a flat in paris and there wasn't any internet there at the first couple of days/weeks(?). Why can't he practise in the Millenium house?

Because the Millenium house is located in the Marseille if I'm not mistaken
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
July 10 2012 18:54 GMT
#389
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.
All I do is Stim.
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
July 10 2012 18:54 GMT
#390
On July 11 2012 03:48 Ylrahc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote:
Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg.

and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups.

does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT?
coLCruncher fighting!
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#391
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote:
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.


But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be...
...
...
Alright. Gotta find some positive.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
July 10 2012 18:56 GMT
#392
On July 11 2012 03:52 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote:
I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch

It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct.


Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio.

What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.


Well this is the case for most zergs.
But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to.

That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#393
Sad about LucifroN, he's been my darkhorse pick, I really want him to qualify.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
July 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#394
On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote:
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.


But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be...
...
...
Alright. Gotta find some positive.


Pvp isn't ROFL
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:59:13
July 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#395
On July 11 2012 03:56 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:52 00Visor wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote:
I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch

It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct.


Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio.

What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.


Well this is the case for most zergs.
But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to.

That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm.


It's always been a problem, but Stephano is not helpless in ZvZ - he's beaten excellent ZvZers in other tournaments. He's just not stable at it, and this costs him tournaments at times - this time, it cost him TSL 4.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
July 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#396
Axeltoss is pretty annoying. He's making correlations that aren't even valid.

I understand he's trolling but he should stop and just cast the damn game.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 10 2012 19:00 GMT
#397
On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote:
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.


But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be...
...
...
Alright. Gotta find some positive.


Pvp isn't ROFL


You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game?
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
July 10 2012 19:00 GMT
#398
On July 11 2012 03:54 TitleRug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:48 Ylrahc wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote:
Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg.

and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups.

does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT?

Kind of, if you want to win big tournaments you need to be able to beat good terrans and protosses too
Cytoplasm has become a lot better the last months and has done some good results here and there, I actually took interest in his results after his consecutive wins against Stephano in a team cup, his training in Korea paid off. He is not yet at the level of Stephano / Nerchio / Dimaga / Ret, he lacks some experience (pretty sure had this match happened live / on stage, Stephano would have won), but he is getting there. Maybe TSL will be his break into the scene ?
Shadow and dust
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
July 10 2012 19:01 GMT
#399
On July 11 2012 04:00 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote:
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.


But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be...
...
...
Alright. Gotta find some positive.


Pvp isn't ROFL


You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game?


You know...I think I might. Random colossi battles are horrible to watch.

At one point it looked like PvP was going to revolve around speed warp prisms with immortals. Woulda been so sick.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 19:03:40
July 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#400
On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote:
No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.


But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be...
...
...
Alright. Gotta find some positive.


Pvp isn't ROFL


PvPs are fine as long as they don't go to late game with giraffe wars or motherships.
All I do is Stim.
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