• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:09
CEST 03:09
KST 10:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1825 users

[Day 4] Homestory Cup V - Page 66

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 183 Next
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
July 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#1301
how is a calculated propability not luck? o_O
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
July 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#1302
On July 09 2012 01:34 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:31 Gosi wrote:
Sad how you can play at this high of a level and come around with only using 3 hotkeys.


If you are lamenting at the lack of mechanical demands that SC2 presents its players its time to stop watching SC2!

Nerchio still is probably one of the fastest foreigners though, probably around 250 - 300apm.

Hard to have 250-300 apm when you only press 3 buttons lol. But his mouse speed and accuracy is sick tho from watching his stream.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
July 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#1303
On July 09 2012 01:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:33 theBALLS wrote:
Best tourney EVER


Nope.

Best tournament ever for Sc2 will always be MLG Columbus 2011.

false HSC > anything else always.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#1304
On July 09 2012 01:35 sc14s wrote:
TLO is 100% right actually, its exactly the same as with poker.


Poker tournaments aren't decided in 5 hands.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#1305
On July 09 2012 01:34 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:31 Musicus wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:29 Shiori wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:29 Swiv wrote:
mc got totally outplayed so hard this game

He all-inned...


Well holding the all-in of the best PvZ player should be the definition of outplaying. It was MC's choice to all-in.


Wooooooaaaah Hero is playing?


No. One series win against DRG when you aren't even in Code S does NOT make you the best PvZer in the world.


Christ it was a joke.
But if you wanna go there, HerO's PvZ has been art ever since. Doesn't matter if he's in Code S or not, it was amazing when he was in Code S, it was before and it is now even though he says he's not comfortable with it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1306
just mention poker as a calculated probability example. you may lose the hand. but the better you play you win at the game
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1307
On July 09 2012 01:35 Chicane wrote:
What is TLO talking about? Even if it is "calculated probability" the probability can go in or out of your favor, which can be called luck. >.<


well i guess it depends on how you define luck
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1308
On July 09 2012 01:35 sc14s wrote:
TLO is 100% right actually, its exactly the same as with poker.


No, he is not. Poker players say there is luck in poker... they just recognize that they can play more consistently than most other players if they are better.
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1309
On July 09 2012 01:35 JayJay_90 wrote:
how is a calculated propability not luck? o_O


Probability is a variable that can be calculated. Luck is the abstract idea of probability.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1310
On July 09 2012 01:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand the logic of all inning vs a player you are far better than.


The logic of all-ining in any BoX is that it establishes that you are capable of all-ining, thus making the opponent less likely to do greedy builds - 3 base muta without a roach warren specifically in the case of MC's all-in on Ohana. Maybe he saw Nerchio's game against Hasuobs on the same map?
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Kazil
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany566 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1311
On July 09 2012 01:35 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:34 Klonere wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:31 Gosi wrote:
Sad how you can play at this high of a level and come around with only using 3 hotkeys.


If you are lamenting at the lack of mechanical demands that SC2 presents its players its time to stop watching SC2!

Nerchio still is probably one of the fastest foreigners though, probably around 250 - 300apm.

Hard to have 250-300 apm when you only press 3 buttons lol. But his mouse speed and accuracy is sick tho from watching his stream.


Mind to stop this "only 3 buttons" stuff? If it is that easy than play zerg, win all the tournament and come back.
"SCVs build faster if you queue them up." - Goody (to ClouD at HSC4)
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1312
On July 09 2012 01:31 Chef0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:30 polyphonyEX wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:29 Chef0 wrote:
MC, dont lose this , especially against that kid...

Did you just call Nerchio 'that kid'?



I did, I dont like him and everyone can see that MC is not playing his best ...

It's the lamest excuse of all time. If my team/player gets outplayed, it's because they underperformed, if they won, they were plain better.
It's OK if you don't like Nerchio and MC is still a favorite here so you still can have your satisfaction but you should stop with the excuses.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1313
On July 09 2012 01:35 sc14s wrote:
TLO is 100% right actually, its exactly the same as with poker.

What?There's luck involved in poker, the same applies for sc2 and the amount of games between players is way too small which makes blind luck even more important.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1314
On July 09 2012 01:36 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:35 Chicane wrote:
What is TLO talking about? Even if it is "calculated probability" the probability can go in or out of your favor, which can be called luck. >.<


well i guess it depends on how you define luck

I guess.

I define it as short-term variance.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
nweb
Profile Joined June 2011
198 Posts
July 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1315
On July 09 2012 01:35 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:35 sc14s wrote:
TLO is 100% right actually, its exactly the same as with poker.


Poker tournaments aren't decided in 5 hands.


Tell me in which bo5 series every game was decided by a coin flip
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#1316
On July 09 2012 01:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:34 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:31 Musicus wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:29 Shiori wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:29 Swiv wrote:
mc got totally outplayed so hard this game

He all-inned...


Well holding the all-in of the best PvZ player should be the definition of outplaying. It was MC's choice to all-in.


Wooooooaaaah Hero is playing?


No. One series win against DRG when you aren't even in Code S does NOT make you the best PvZer in the world.


Christ it was a joke.
But if you wanna go there, HerO's PvZ has been art ever since. Doesn't matter if he's in Code S or not, it was amazing when he was in Code S, it was before and it is now even though he says he's not comfortable with it.


It's hard to tell when people are joking on the internet.

I've always said Hero's play has been art rather than raw power - like the anti-MC, with his cutesy warp prism play. Ironically, he won his most recent tournament off the back of very MC-like 2base timings.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#1317
On July 09 2012 01:36 nweb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:35 yeint wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:35 sc14s wrote:
TLO is 100% right actually, its exactly the same as with poker.


Poker tournaments aren't decided in 5 hands.


Tell me in which bo5 series every game was decided by a coin flip


Every PvP and ZvZ ever?
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
T-oastbro-T
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany378 Posts
July 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#1318
I'd prefer it, if the the casters would let each other finish every now and again before chiming in their own input . It's hard to follow anyone's train of thoughts with all those interruptions. ><
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#1319
On July 09 2012 01:31 Gosi wrote:
Sad how you can play at this high of a level and come around with only using 3 hotkeys.

Oh yeah, hotkeys = skill.

I'd forgotten about that.
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
July 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#1320
On July 09 2012 01:35 JayJay_90 wrote:
how is a calculated propability not luck? o_O


Because all factors in the game are either fixed or a direct result of players imput. Nor randomness = no luck.
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 183 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
22:45
Patches' Patch Clash #6.5
davetesta34
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 135
ROOTCatZ 74
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm142
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv7347
Other Games
summit1g14135
FrodaN1692
JimRising 512
monkeys_forever124
ViBE116
Trikslyr60
WinterStarcraft55
Livibee45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1149
BasetradeTV83
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 105
• EnkiAlexander 56
• musti20045 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21576
Upcoming Events
GSL
6h 51m
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
14h 51m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
17h 51m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.