[Day 4] Homestory Cup V - Page 180

On July 09 2012 19:46 HolyArrow wrote:


I fail to see any contradictions, if that's your intent. Perhaps you could point out what you think is contradictory instead of just quoting certain parts of what I said.

On July 09 2012 19:46 HolyArrow wrote:


I fail to see any contradictions, if that's your intent. Perhaps you could point out what you think is contradictory instead of just quoting certain parts of what I said.

On July 09 2012 17:17 Thurken wrote:


You generally have to pay to get a TL-article, maybe HSC didn't. Maybe it is for some other reason.

On July 09 2012 21:14 Prog wrote:
They are not contradictions.

x is not a proof for (EU being close to KR).
x is a proof for (KR winning way more against EU).

He does not say:

x is no proof at all.
x is a proof for (KR winning way more against EU).


Nevertheless I do not see how the results can be interpreted as proof for anything. Notice that the "no proof"-sentence has a specific content with (EU being close to KR). It is not about proving something one way, but about proving (EU being close to KR) one way. You might ask why that does not hold for (KR winning way more against EU) as well, but that is a different question.

On July 09 2012 21:43 Jotoco wrote:
what was the game were (I think it was Slivko vs Golden?) a player used a changeling to block a TON of units from fleeing.

It was a game casted by Idra, I think the same one were (I think Slivko again) built 2 baneling nests.

It could have being a Nerchio game too, I don't remember.

I remember the casters never saw this brilliant move, and it should compete with the hatchery save by Nerchio on the last game.

On July 09 2012 21:57 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote:


Speaking of Nerchio's Hatch save ... how the hell did he do that? Was that a trick (like mineralwalking or something) from Nerchio or a mistake from Yongwha?

On July 09 2012 22:12 kwasuu wrote:
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WTF?

On July 09 2012 22:18 solidbebe wrote:


I still think its weird drones can apparently force DT's aside.

On July 09 2012 19:21 Kazil wrote:


Take already said that there were too many korean players at this HSC, so dont expect to see more next time. He was quite disappointed about the NA-qualifier.

Korean players are often very shy (look at Mvp oder Hero last time) so they dont fit that well in the enviroment. Mvp's casting was..... not existent.

On July 09 2012 19:29 Ethi wrote:
There is no tournament without affirmative action. MLG provides limited spots, IEM does so, GSL too etc.
And don't forget that not every korean (with decent english) is available at a certain time. I bet MKP didn't attend because of GSTL, DRG and Polt because of their GSL matches.

On July 09 2012 19:28 HolyArrow wrote:
HSC was never meant to be a big, serious tournament. It's a tournament so casual that players party all night and play the next day shit-faced. It's just a fun event where everyone gets to kick back and relax. Sure, there's still a competition that players definitely want to win, but it's simply not the same thing as IEM/MLG/DH/GSL/etc.

With that said, anyone who uses HSC, or any single tournament, for the matter, as "proof" that EU is anywhere close to KR, is being ridiculous. Top Europeans are perfectly capable of taking matches off of top Koreans, but the fact is that in the big picture, Koreans are still winning way more against Europeans, and HSC V is living proof of everything I'm saying. Nerchio took big matches off of MC and Yonghwa, an extremely impressive feat for sure, but in the end, every Korean except for MVP (who played waaaay below his level and is suffering from some serious wrist problems, don't think anyone would disagree with that) and ReaL (he's a product of the EU scene so I don't consider him a "Korean" in the sense that we use the word to describe GSL players/players from a Korean practice environment) placed equal to (only in Sleep's case) or higher than every European other than Nerchio. In other words, EU players can definitely place higher than Koreans in tournaments, but it's definitely not the norm.

When we stop seeing Koreans regularly populating most of the top placements in tournaments with mostly non-Korean players, we'll then start talking about how EU is significantly closing the gap.

On July 09 2012 23:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


This is a shame for me. I watched 100% of HSC3/4 (even made sure I wasn't working that weekend) and probably 70-80% of this. But if there's only two Korean players then I'm a lot less bothered about watching. It's borderline pathetic that the EU scene's answer to the Korean challenge is apparently to put as many road blocks behind Korean participation as possible so Europeans might actually win. I noticed IEM cut their Korean quota this year and the new Dreamhack format for Sc2 is almost custom made so Koreans are unlikely to win or even get a place in the final tournament.

Guess I'll be sticking to MLG and IPL's for foreign tournaments.




The MLG arenas have the perfect amount of affirmative action. We get 8 world class Koreans who've all won their place through a qualifier and then a lot of foreigner too for people who wants to see that. The European tournaments go far too far in the other direction.



When your format is about 22 top foreign players, 5 'personalities', 3 Code B Koreans, 1 injured Code S Korean and a world class Code S Korean then chance are sooner or later someone is eventually going to be able to knock MC out. There's too much RNG in Sc2 for a guy who's a lot better than everyone else there like MC to just turn up and win just like that every time because anyone can lose a best of 3/5 or even 7 in Sc2.

When 16 Europeans can sit down with 16 top Koreans and not get their asses completely handed to them like what happens every MLG Arena or when Europeans start winning Code S and not all losing every single Code B qualifier, then maybe we can talk about things on an equal footing.