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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#3581
On July 07 2012 06:23 Whatson wrote:
Who's MC casting with?


ToD and SK.Reis
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Eralur
Profile Joined June 2012
58 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3582
On July 07 2012 06:21 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:12 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:05 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.

Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.


Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.


He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore.

I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation?


That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis.

But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows.



This whole argument is stupid, youre saying x is the best player and everyone else is inferior and that starcraft should be a game were its impossible for the superior player to lose against a inferior one.
In that case every tournament would have exactly the same results.

In every sport a inferior player/team has a chance to win otherwise nobody would watch because it would be fucking boring.....
Stick with the Prod
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3583
Cant play so late ? Gets headache from english ? Geez what a Diva .... GO NIGHTEND
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3584
On July 07 2012 06:24 Napoloen wrote:
[image loading]

DIMAGAAAA!!! ^^
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3585
wait now he has headphones on lol
Szubie
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom294 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3586
Oh, MVP has the headset on now, can see it in the picture.
IMMvp, Maru
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3587
On July 07 2012 06:24 GrazerRinge wrote:
no offense, but imo u cannot call this as tournament...at least at the matches there should be kind of referee to keep things organized. Jez, the matches are the main reason why this event is going on...not funsies and other things which might be entertaining.


Thanks mr.nofunallowed. But you're not really getting the point of HSC.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3588
On July 07 2012 06:25 Kenpark wrote:
Cant play so late ? Gets headache from english ? Geez what a Diva .... GO NIGHTEND

lol u mad bro?

User was warned for this post
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3589
mvp wears soundproof headset, all calm down
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
aTo
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria588 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3590
at least he got the hs on now
zap zap zap
Knight79
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 21:26:22
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3591
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it


Nightend is out of tournament, did they ask Monchi as well?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3592
On July 07 2012 06:24 GrazerRinge wrote:
no offense, but imo u cannot call this as tournament...at least at the matches there should be kind of referee to keep things organized. Jez, the matches are the main reason why this event is going on...not funsies and other things which might be entertaining.

Are you a human being?
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3593
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it

Kind of the same issue I have with when people are asked "Is it okay to play the game out rather than give you a walkover since your opponent broke some rule". I'm rooting for MVP, but allowing him to not wear headphones does make the game quite... questionable.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3594
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3595
On July 07 2012 06:26 kroko wrote:
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?


wat
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3596
On July 07 2012 06:25 Eralur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:21 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:12 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:05 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.

Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.


Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.


He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore.

I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation?


That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis.

But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows.



This whole argument is stupid, youre saying x is the best player and everyone else is inferior and that starcraft should be a game were its impossible for the superior player to lose against a inferior one.
In that case every tournament would have exactly the same results.

In every sport a inferior player/team has a chance to win otherwise nobody would watch because it would be fucking boring.....


That's not what he said at all. >_>
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3597
lol quit hating on Mvp because he gets a headache from a certain language jeez
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 21:29:33
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3598
On July 07 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:26 kroko wrote:
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?


wat

He went for a poop, while casting 8).

V-Gundam had to go to the toilet while progame... He was called shitterran after that.
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3599
On July 07 2012 06:26 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it

Kind of the same issue I have with when people are asked "Is it okay to play the game out rather than give you a walkover since your opponent broke some rule". I'm rooting for MVP, but allowing him to not wear headphones does make the game quite... questionable.

He does wear the headphones.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3600
On July 07 2012 06:25 Knight79 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it


Nightend is out of tournament, did they ask Monchi as well?

No way a professional player (especially one that lives, is going to live or has lived in Korea) is going to pass up on a chance to beat the best player in the world. Implying Nightend is going to give it anything but 100% is bullshit.
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