• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:27
CET 14:27
KST 22:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)25Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Which foreign pros are considered the best? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy's Q&A video
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2212 users

[Day 2] Homestory Cup V - Page 180

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 178 179 180 181 182 241 Next
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#3581
On July 07 2012 06:23 Whatson wrote:
Who's MC casting with?


ToD and SK.Reis
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Eralur
Profile Joined June 2012
58 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3582
On July 07 2012 06:21 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:12 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:05 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.

Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.


Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.


He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore.

I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation?


That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis.

But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows.



This whole argument is stupid, youre saying x is the best player and everyone else is inferior and that starcraft should be a game were its impossible for the superior player to lose against a inferior one.
In that case every tournament would have exactly the same results.

In every sport a inferior player/team has a chance to win otherwise nobody would watch because it would be fucking boring.....
Stick with the Prod
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3583
Cant play so late ? Gets headache from english ? Geez what a Diva .... GO NIGHTEND
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3584
On July 07 2012 06:24 Napoloen wrote:
[image loading]

DIMAGAAAA!!! ^^
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3585
wait now he has headphones on lol
Szubie
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom294 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3586
Oh, MVP has the headset on now, can see it in the picture.
IMMvp, Maru
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3587
On July 07 2012 06:24 GrazerRinge wrote:
no offense, but imo u cannot call this as tournament...at least at the matches there should be kind of referee to keep things organized. Jez, the matches are the main reason why this event is going on...not funsies and other things which might be entertaining.


Thanks mr.nofunallowed. But you're not really getting the point of HSC.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3588
On July 07 2012 06:25 Kenpark wrote:
Cant play so late ? Gets headache from english ? Geez what a Diva .... GO NIGHTEND

lol u mad bro?

User was warned for this post
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3589
mvp wears soundproof headset, all calm down
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
aTo
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria588 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3590
at least he got the hs on now
zap zap zap
Knight79
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 21:26:22
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3591
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it


Nightend is out of tournament, did they ask Monchi as well?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#3592
On July 07 2012 06:24 GrazerRinge wrote:
no offense, but imo u cannot call this as tournament...at least at the matches there should be kind of referee to keep things organized. Jez, the matches are the main reason why this event is going on...not funsies and other things which might be entertaining.

Are you a human being?
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3593
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it

Kind of the same issue I have with when people are asked "Is it okay to play the game out rather than give you a walkover since your opponent broke some rule". I'm rooting for MVP, but allowing him to not wear headphones does make the game quite... questionable.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3594
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3595
On July 07 2012 06:26 kroko wrote:
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?


wat
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#3596
On July 07 2012 06:25 Eralur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:21 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:12 TheBB wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:05 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.

Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.


Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.


He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore.

I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation?


That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis.

But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows.



This whole argument is stupid, youre saying x is the best player and everyone else is inferior and that starcraft should be a game were its impossible for the superior player to lose against a inferior one.
In that case every tournament would have exactly the same results.

In every sport a inferior player/team has a chance to win otherwise nobody would watch because it would be fucking boring.....


That's not what he said at all. >_>
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3597
lol quit hating on Mvp because he gets a headache from a certain language jeez
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 21:29:33
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3598
On July 07 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:26 kroko wrote:
MC is the V-Gundam of SC2 ?
ShitProtoss ?


wat

He went for a poop, while casting 8).

V-Gundam had to go to the toilet while progame... He was called shitterran after that.
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3599
On July 07 2012 06:26 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it

Kind of the same issue I have with when people are asked "Is it okay to play the game out rather than give you a walkover since your opponent broke some rule". I'm rooting for MVP, but allowing him to not wear headphones does make the game quite... questionable.

He does wear the headphones.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
July 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#3600
On July 07 2012 06:25 Knight79 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 06:23 najreteip wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:23 Zarahtra wrote:
On July 07 2012 06:22 Knight79 wrote:
Let MVP wearing no headphones is quite unfair and unreasonable.
People always understand a lot more than they are able to speech of.

Also if they ever get excited by nightends actions...

I'm sure they asked Nightend if he was ok with it


Nightend is out of tournament, did they ask Monchi as well?

No way a professional player (especially one that lives, is going to live or has lived in Korea) is going to pass up on a chance to beat the best player in the world. Implying Nightend is going to give it anything but 100% is bullshit.
Prev 1 178 179 180 181 182 241 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech90
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8591
Rain 3622
Flash 1200
Hyuk 1054
Larva 844
Jaedong 832
BeSt 761
ZerO 455
Soma 454
Mini 426
[ Show more ]
Stork 386
Light 365
firebathero 297
ggaemo 280
Snow 242
actioN 223
Soulkey 177
Zeus 125
Rush 108
JYJ 95
Sharp 94
Mind 89
Pusan 88
Barracks 75
Sea.KH 65
PianO 50
Shuttle 50
[sc1f]eonzerg 45
ToSsGirL 38
JulyZerg 36
Mong 33
Shinee 28
sorry 27
scan(afreeca) 23
yabsab 22
Free 20
soO 17
910 17
ivOry 17
HiyA 17
zelot 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 16
Terrorterran 15
Bale 14
Noble 13
GoRush 13
Dota 2
Gorgc4430
singsing2477
Dendi595
Fuzer 237
BananaSlamJamma93
League of Legends
Rex86
Counter-Strike
kennyS2710
olofmeister1973
zeus1109
byalli479
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King88
Other Games
B2W.Neo1158
RotterdaM364
Pyrionflax212
hiko156
crisheroes153
ToD119
Happy60
edward47
ZerO(Twitch)20
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1125
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV335
• lizZardDota255
League of Legends
• TFBlade1526
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
34m
WardiTV2509
Rex86
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 34m
OSC
10h 34m
Replay Cast
19h 34m
RongYI Cup
21h 34m
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Creator
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Replay Cast
1d 19h
RongYI Cup
1d 21h
herO vs Solar
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.