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On July 07 2012 06:03 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 06:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 05:59 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:56 Swords wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 Calis5 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:49 Swiv wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:
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The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have.
And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. maybe random foreigners are good as well`? Or maybe this game has a low skill cap where exceptional players cant really stand out? But exceptional players are standing out. That's indicted by the giant shit fit on this LR thread after Mvp lost. Everyone was really surprised he lost because we know Mvp usually wins because he's an exceptionally good player. All of this complaining proves there are exceptional players. If there weren't any then we'd never be surprised when a monchi beat an mvp. Mvp got popular with exceptional play, monchi beating Mvp with average play isn't interesting. If Monchi did something amazing I wouldn't have a problem with it obviously. Symbol coming out of relative nowhere and killing players that used to be dominant is interesting because he actually plays brilliantly. Us KR hipsters always knew that Symbol was going to be a star. Haha, i remember the same thing happening with DRG..a bunch of hardcore fans that knew him from the beta or something. What a moment of vindication it must have been when he started to tear shit up. I first noticed Symbol when he 3-0'd Marineking in the Iron Squid ro8, followed him since then.
I knew he was going to be good when he beat Idra that one time in BW in 2008. I could see the potential in his play.
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On July 07 2012 06:02 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:59 Calis5 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 flodeskum wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 mambar wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Gevna wrote:On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
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I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit. And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2. Hmm yeah, Flash has never lost a game against Dear. He is even on 100% winstreaks for the last 2 years. they are saying it happens far less often, which makes it more meaningful Jaedong's overall winrate in BW is 68.5%, MVPs in SC2 is 64.66%. Did Jaedong drop games to random foreigners like Feast, Monchi or Titan? No. He lost a game to Incontrol.
Only because BW  imba.
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On July 07 2012 06:03 Fragile51 wrote:Empire_Happy. He's hilarious :D
Nice. Never heard Happy cast before, but his english is pretty good.
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On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore. Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL. Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?
No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.
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On July 07 2012 06:03 Bagi wrote:
Who is casting with Dimaga on stream 2?
I think it's Empire.Happy
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so if mvp wins 2:1 against nightend it will be a 3 way tie between monchi, golden and mvp
if mvp wins 2:0 he and golden will advance
and if nightend wins, golden and monchi will advance
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On July 07 2012 06:04 Jono7272 wrote:If only it mattered.. 2k gas bank for Slivko!
Its ok he built a battlecruiser so the raven rule matters not
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if mvp 2-0 nightend he goes in first spot?
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On July 07 2012 06:03 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:00 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 flodeskum wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 mambar wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Gevna wrote:On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
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I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit. And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2. Hmm yeah, Flash has never lost a game against Dear. He is even on 100% winstreaks for the last 2 years. they are saying it happens far less often, which makes it more meaningful Jaedong's overall winrate in BW is 68.5%, MVPs in SC2 is 64.66%. If Jaedong played in the BW equivalent of HSC, his winrate would be 100% I'm intrigued as to how you would translate HSC into a BW equivalent.
Did foreigner ever take a game off korean in WCG ? I actually don't know if it happened but I guess it didn't
edit:yea typo gg
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On July 07 2012 05:38 Roxor9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series. I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him. Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot. I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed. Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors#Tournaments
And they are sort of amazing, too. It is nuts how into Rock Paper Scissors people get.
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On July 07 2012 06:04 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:03 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:01 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:00 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:59 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:57 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:56 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 Iyerbeth wrote:
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Speed started for Lings.
Banshee incoming for DBS, no cloak.
Roach Warren, Baneling nest and double Evo for sLivko. Spores up before Banshee gets to the main. hellions go in to third at the same time but immediately attacked by sLivko. 6 Drones killed total. Stim, Siege mode and +1 +1 bio coming for DBS. +1 +1 melee for sLivko with macro Hatch and Infestation Pit. Lots of Lings. DBS drops in main, gets 2 Drones. Taken a weird 3rd in the middle of the map with an Orbital, not scouted yet. Hellions caught in the middle of the map by lots of Lings and they all die. sLivko takes his 4th and a drop over it is caught by Infestors. Double Spire and Hive with +2 +2 melee ups for sLivko. Middle base still hidden. Tripple Raven incoming from DBS. Greater Spire incoming, more drops from DBS and more quick responses from sLivko. Almost constant drops at the moment. 5th incoming for sLivko. 4th and 5th for DBS. Massive Ling push from sLivko, forces lift on both new bases. Ravens drop auto turrets and at the end of it all, both are still maxed. Yamato Cannon being researched. Ling push takes out 5th base. Corruptors incoming, more air upgrades for DBS.
4 CCs coming from DBS.
Battle Cruiser production started.
Game crashed during fight between Broods, PDD and Ravens, Vikings and Seeker Missiles. No idea who is ahead.
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On July 07 2012 06:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:02 flodeskum wrote:On July 07 2012 05:59 Calis5 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 flodeskum wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 mambar wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Gevna wrote:On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
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I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit. And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2. Hmm yeah, Flash has never lost a game against Dear. He is even on 100% winstreaks for the last 2 years. they are saying it happens far less often, which makes it more meaningful Jaedong's overall winrate in BW is 68.5%, MVPs in SC2 is 64.66%. Did Jaedong drop games to random foreigners like Feast, Monchi or Titan? No. He lost a game to Incontrol. Only because BW imba.
Uhh, Incontrol played zerg in BW
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On July 07 2012 06:04 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:03 Dodgin wrote:On July 07 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 06:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 05:59 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:56 Swords wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 Calis5 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:49 Swiv wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:
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Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. maybe random foreigners are good as well`? Or maybe this game has a low skill cap where exceptional players cant really stand out? But exceptional players are standing out. That's indicted by the giant shit fit on this LR thread after Mvp lost. Everyone was really surprised he lost because we know Mvp usually wins because he's an exceptionally good player. All of this complaining proves there are exceptional players. If there weren't any then we'd never be surprised when a monchi beat an mvp. Mvp got popular with exceptional play, monchi beating Mvp with average play isn't interesting. If Monchi did something amazing I wouldn't have a problem with it obviously. Symbol coming out of relative nowhere and killing players that used to be dominant is interesting because he actually plays brilliantly. Us KR hipsters always knew that Symbol was going to be a star. Haha, i remember the same thing happening with DRG..a bunch of hardcore fans that knew him from the beta or something. What a moment of vindication it must have been when he started to tear shit up. I first noticed Symbol when he 3-0'd Marineking in the Iron Squid ro8, followed him since then. I knew he was going to be good when he beat Idra that one time in BW. I could see the potential in his play.
Lol, i knew Byun was gonna reach the Ro8 this season because he took a series of BeST in an OSL qualifier in 2010, totally legit :p
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Vehicle of technology speech!
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On July 07 2012 06:05 Veclada wrote:
if mvp 2-0 nightend he goes in first spot?
yep 2-0 nightend and he will get first, 2-1 and it's a 3 way tie. lose and he's out.
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Shit, Mvp NEEDS to win 2-0 now, damnitttt
Please do this 
edit: Oh wait, I'm dumb, tie with 2-1. Win 2-0 anyway!
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On July 07 2012 06:05 zezamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:03 TheBanana wrote:On July 07 2012 06:00 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 flodeskum wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 mambar wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Gevna wrote:On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
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I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit. And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2. Hmm yeah, Flash has never lost a game against Dear. He is even on 100% winstreaks for the last 2 years. they are saying it happens far less often, which makes it more meaningful Jaedong's overall winrate in BW is 68.5%, MVPs in SC2 is 64.66%. If Jaedong played in the BW equivalent of HSC, his winrate would be 100% I'm intrigued as to how you would translate HSC into a BW equivalent. Did foreigner ever take a game off korean in WSG ? I actually don't know if it happened but I guess it didn't
You mean WCG?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/WCG_2007
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On July 07 2012 06:04 Logros wrote:
Now Nightend just has to win 1 game vs MVP.
Then it would be a 3-way tie. Anyone knows what happens next?
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On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013
Here's the article that I read...
http://www.worldrps.com/how-to-beat-anyone-at-rock-paper-scissors
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On July 07 2012 06:02 Calis5 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:01 GuardianEU wrote:
MVP is better in GSL because he has a week to prepare for the opponent(s), here he doesn't have info on a lot of players and he doesn;t have time to prepare, that;'s why he;s sick good in GSL and not that awesome in things like hsc.
not quit the whining already. So what you're saying is, that we shouldn't take overnight/weekand LANs seriously? I can agree with that.
what I'm saying is. there's a difference in haviung to improvise instead of planning every game out ahead for a month.
the first requires more immediate tactical knowledge and improvisation skills, while the ladder requires more work ethics and methodology.
they are to diffent tournament style, on isn;t better than the other. they're just different and players will always play better at one or the other.
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