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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 06 2012 20:47 GMT
#3261
On July 07 2012 05:47 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:45 flodeskum wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:42 Calis5 wrote:
I really cant take this game seriously when players like MVP lose to no name protoss. Dont even say it was an upset, because we keep getting more of them.

I'm sure you said the same when MC lost to thorzain in TSL3...


Or Fruitdealer to Thorzain...

lol where's FD now?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
July 06 2012 20:47 GMT
#3262
On July 07 2012 05:46 Yorbon wrote:
Lol @ current discussion.

Btw, who is the lady casting with ret and rotterdam ?


Ret's girlfriend, Pandii
Standard.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 06 2012 20:47 GMT
#3263
On July 07 2012 05:45 Asha` wrote:
DBS multitasking and stretching Slivko around the map but nothing is actually touching the borelord deathball so he's about to get crushed by it anyway xD

From what I saw from earlier, he was macroing pretty terribly behind the aggression, massive queues on his production, so thats why he didn't have a huge lead.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Kazil
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany566 Posts
July 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#3264
On July 07 2012 05:46 Yorbon wrote:
Lol @ current discussion.

Btw, who is the lady casting with ret and rotterdam ?


twitter.com/LiquidRet's Girlfriend.
"SCVs build faster if you queue them up." - Goody (to ClouD at HSC4)
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#3265
On July 07 2012 05:47 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
[quote]

I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him.


Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.

I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed.


Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks.

I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either.


I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments.


Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry...


so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit.


And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2.

Wait what? There are games where the best players don't lose? EVER? Sounds dull.


There are games where the skill ceiling is high enough that the best players raaaarely lose to anyone other than eachother. Like BW, or quake 3


Really now? Explain flash having lost games vs tossgirl and multiple games vs stardust then? The best of the best often lose against "inferior" opponents, that's what keeps them interesting.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 20:49:00
July 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#3266
On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series.


I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him.


Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.

I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed.


Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks.

I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either.


I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments.


Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry...

The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have.

And I say this as a huge Mvp fan.


Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming.

Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 20:50:09
July 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#3267
Looking good for nightend here.
NVM good engagement by Golden
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#3268
On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship

I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 20:49:40
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3269
On July 07 2012 05:47 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:45 Asha` wrote:
DBS multitasking and stretching Slivko around the map but nothing is actually touching the borelord deathball so he's about to get crushed by it anyway xD

From what I saw from earlier, he was macroing pretty terribly behind the aggression, massive queues on his production, so thats why he didn't have a huge lead.


Nah he didn't have a good lead because Slivko played really well up to that point more than anything else.

You just can't trade units for expansions/tech as a counter to hive tech if you can't repop fast enough on appropriate units back home to handle the push when it comes for you.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3270
On July 07 2012 05:47 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:47 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:45 flodeskum wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:42 Calis5 wrote:
I really cant take this game seriously when players like MVP lose to no name protoss. Dont even say it was an upset, because we keep getting more of them.

I'm sure you said the same when MC lost to thorzain in TSL3...


Or Fruitdealer to Thorzain...

lol where's FD now?


........This was TSL 3. When FD was still a major contender. And Thorzain was an absolute nobody.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3271
On July 07 2012 05:43 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series.


I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him.


Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.

I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed.


Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks.

I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either.


I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments.


Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry...



Upsets happen though, in all sports. Look at Nadal in his most recent tournament. He got knocked out by someone who's barely known at all. Nobody was like "Tennis is a joke sport! Nobody should ever play it again!"

If upsets are happening all the time then maybe there's an argument to be made - and that may be the case. But one bad day for Mvp doesn't make all of SC2 a joke, there needs to be a pattern observed first.




Even in BW foreigners took games off koreans (although very very rare).
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
everyone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States91 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3272
When did Bling get such bitchin' tattoos?
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3273
On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series.


I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him.


Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.

I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed.


Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks.

I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either.


I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments.


Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry...

The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have.

And I say this as a huge Mvp fan.


Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming.

Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is.

maybe random foreigners are good as well`?
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3274
On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship

I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors.


Mindgames. Obviously. Wonder if there's cheese in rock paper scissor tournaments...would you get cursed at for going 6 scissors in a row? :p
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#3275
On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship

I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors.


some people are more consistent at bluffing than other peoples.
Zest fanboy.
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
July 06 2012 20:50 GMT
#3276
What was that tweet they were talking about?
omg terran is hard to play
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 06 2012 20:50 GMT
#3277
On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series.


I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him.


Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.

I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed.


Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks.

I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either.


I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments.


Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry...

The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have.

And I say this as a huge Mvp fan.


Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming.

Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners, it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is.

You realize they almost never played vs foreigners, and that the foreigner scene was completely underdeveloped with only a few players. This is not the case at all in SC2.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 20:50:20
July 06 2012 20:50 GMT
#3278
Nightend drops game 2 to Golden
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
July 06 2012 20:50 GMT
#3279
I would rather be in Russia then in some brazilian favella lol...
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
July 06 2012 20:50 GMT
#3280
On July 07 2012 05:50 Asha` wrote:
Nightend drops game 2 to Golden


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