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Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 27 2012 13:40 GMT
#2641
On June 27 2012 22:35 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:34 Lord_J wrote:
Doh, Taeja has to play winner of the group of death.


Don't see Taeja beating any toss player. He played so horribly against Seed and Ace in the round of 32.
He really need to brushed up that.


Historically he's been an awesome TvPer. I don't think he should be counted out just yet, Taeja is one of those players that can beat anyone on a good day.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
June 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#2642
On June 27 2012 22:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:35 Huragius wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:32 zestzorb wrote:
Think about how hard Ultralisks suck.
Now imagine ones without plating.

Makes me cringe.


Suck?
If zergs stopped engaging at chokes with like 10 ultras and started to get more infestors that ultras wouldn't get kitted to death they wouldn't suck you know. I know you don't like to micro and such, but at Code S you should start doing it, right ?

Infestor/Ultra, and then I guess you also need Broodlords, right? So that gas.... I guess it's a 7 base comp or something?


Don't start shitting that you can't support Ultra/Infestor due to lack of gas on 4 base. That's total bullshit. It is kinda amazing you talk such a crap while you suggest Terrans to get Tank/Medivacs/Ghosts/Ravens/Marines/Vikings on 4 base to 'counter' zerg late game.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#2643
On June 27 2012 22:40 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote:
OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
  • HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
  • Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
  • Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
  • Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process


- In 48 hours! What in the fuck

Year of Liquid?

And Taeja all-killed Prime, this guy is a hero (no pun intended).


Sounds like Liquid is Rising...

(sorry)
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
June 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#2644
On June 27 2012 22:40 Mackus wrote:
If Symbol wins 1st he'll play Taeja in ro8 and because of the gamestate and how good Symbol is on Korean soil I think its safe to say Symbol will be the hot favourite for the GSL if he places 1st -
He'll rip apart Nestea in ZvZ easily I'm not entirely sure Nestea will even advance


Taeja got his work cut out for him if he plays either Symbol or Squirtle.
The play he show today against toss was just depressing to watch.
Play your best
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#2645
On June 27 2012 22:29 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:24 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:18 MrCon wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:17 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:13 MrCon wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:10 Tsubbi wrote:
the terran whine is just atrocious, you guys realize youre still the most represented race in code s?

violet tried to fake speed with pulling out of gas when taeja scouted, then did the drg roach pressure, he didnt have enough minerals somehow though so his roaches arrived 10-20 seconds too late to do enough damage imo

I have no idea what the pre patch terran representation has to do with the post patch whine. There are a lot of reasons to not whine, but terran representation isn't one.


up and downs and code a were played post patch, 7 terrans advanced to ro16. other races started whining when there were 1 ro16 and none in ro8, terran is still the most successful race and every lr thread is a clusterfuck of terran whine nowadays

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Up_and_Down

What is your point? Was Up and Down before queen range?

I don't know, you cited up and down played post patch, so I guess you meant they were a success for terrans ?
Were they a success for terrans ?
The high terran representation in GSL has nothing to do with current balance and everything to do with terran having 25 players in code S just some months ago. I takes some time for the code S racial representation to represent the actual state of the game.
There are a lot of good arguments to say the game is balanced. GSL race representation is not one, it's so obvious that I don't even know why I need to argue it.

I never stated anything, it was another guy. but that is besides the point.
First of all, fact is that representation is never a good tool to discuss balance.
But the guy you replied to with a wiki link only said that U&D was played after patch, in which more T ended up gaining Code S than Z btw.
Then he stated that there is still 7/16 T in Ro16 today.
Then he stated that zerg never went going so completely ballistics even if there was none of us in the R08 and only 1 in Ro16. Which was 1 month ago.
...

I don't get why the Ts are so annoyed. They got in twelve editions of the GSL 26 spots in the R04, while P had 13 and Z had 9.

If you use representation as balance tool, then the Queen + overlord change is actually balanced. But like I said in the start, representation shouldn't be used to balance the game.

In 2 years of SCII, zerg only got buffs, and still we are underrepresented in the GSL.
1 month Terrans are losing to endgame zerg armies and they are actually crying murder and blood...

I just found your wiki link kinda lacking tact and logic.
I had a good night of sleep.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
June 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#2646
On June 27 2012 22:40 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote:
OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
  • HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
  • Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
  • Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
  • Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process


- In 48 hours! What in the fuck

Year of Liquid?

And Taeja all-killed Prime, this guy is a hero (no pun intended).


HerO and Ret qualified for NASL finals some days ago, crazy week for liquid
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#2647
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote:
OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
  • HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
  • Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
  • Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
  • Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process


- In 48 hours! What in the fuck

Year of Liquid?


Wrong. Taeja beat Prime 5-0 :p
Life is too short to take it seriously.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
June 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#2648
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote:
OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
  • HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
  • Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
  • Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
  • Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process


- In 48 hours! What in the fuck

Year of Liquid?


Fuck yeah
bearcatter
Profile Joined June 2010
United States171 Posts
June 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#2649
Liquid fighting! Great job today Taeja
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 27 2012 13:43 GMT
#2650
On June 27 2012 22:35 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:34 DizzySheep wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:32 Za7oX wrote:
Not sure if Tajea would stand a chance vs Symbol or DRG's zvt


I doubt any terran can stand up to them in a boX with the current trend.


MKP beat Symbol in a Bo3 like three days ago in the IPL qualifier

This doesnt mean anything. Symbol is like MVP, give him a time for preparation and he will kill you.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 27 2012 13:44 GMT
#2651
On June 27 2012 22:40 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:35 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:34 Lord_J wrote:
Doh, Taeja has to play winner of the group of death.


Don't see Taeja beating any toss player. He played so horribly against Seed and Ace in the round of 32.
He really need to brushed up that.


Historically he's been an awesome TvPer. I don't think he should be counted out just yet, Taeja is one of those players that can beat anyone on a good day.

Given equal 'good day' luck, players like Symbol and Squirtle would probably still roll over Taeja. At least that's what my gut tells me.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
June 27 2012 13:44 GMT
#2652
On June 27 2012 16:40 TheDougler wrote:
Wow only 3 people including myself picking Taeja/Seed to advance so far. Prepare to be shocked.


Naaaaiiiled it!

Congrats to both!

Taeja was just looking SO STRONG after his All Kill, and Seed has been playing really well too.

Still, nailbiter at the end for sure. Thought Taeja was done for after he lost all those units early on and was behind on upgrades.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 13:45:42
June 27 2012 13:45 GMT
#2653
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote:
OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
  • HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
  • HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
  • Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
  • Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
  • Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process


- In 48 hours! What in the fuck

Year of Liquid?


It's not bad, but that's more like the 48 hours of Liquid. :p

GSTL... can't shake those demons myself quite yet
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
June 27 2012 13:45 GMT
#2654
On June 27 2012 22:43 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:35 SolidMustard wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:34 DizzySheep wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:32 Za7oX wrote:
Not sure if Tajea would stand a chance vs Symbol or DRG's zvt


I doubt any terran can stand up to them in a boX with the current trend.


MKP beat Symbol in a Bo3 like three days ago in the IPL qualifier

This doesnt mean anything. Symbol is like MVP, give him a time for preparation and he will kill you.


We'll see that tomorrow but you seem to forget that Symbol already prepared twice to play MKP (Iron Squid an GSL, and he won both so that goes in your direction) so he was prepared for this match and lost
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 27 2012 13:46 GMT
#2655




Here's to US! GO LIQUID!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
TG Manny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States325 Posts
June 27 2012 13:47 GMT
#2656
On June 27 2012 22:44 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 16:40 TheDougler wrote:
Wow only 3 people including myself picking Taeja/Seed to advance so far. Prepare to be shocked.


Naaaaiiiled it!

Congrats to both!

Taeja was just looking SO STRONG after his All Kill, and Seed has been playing really well too.

Still, nailbiter at the end for sure. Thought Taeja was done for after he lost all those units early on and was behind on upgrades.


Taeja did a great job catching up but....VIolet "threw" the game. He didn't get ultra armor, didn't populate at least one of his geysers (1 in his natural, ALL game, and I believe one in his third). He also didn't tech fast enough after crushing every wave taeja threw at him before the strong push. Maybe he didn't expect the 2 factory siege tank production. He still needed to get himself in line to gas heavy units and eventually get to the "deathcomposition".

Singularity is at hand...
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
June 27 2012 13:47 GMT
#2657
0/4 liquibet, nbd.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
June 27 2012 13:47 GMT
#2658
Well tomorrow is the group of Death.
Play your best
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 13:49:21
June 27 2012 13:47 GMT
#2659
On June 27 2012 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:43 dragonborn wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:35 SolidMustard wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:34 DizzySheep wrote:
On June 27 2012 22:32 Za7oX wrote:
Not sure if Tajea would stand a chance vs Symbol or DRG's zvt


I doubt any terran can stand up to them in a boX with the current trend.


MKP beat Symbol in a Bo3 like three days ago in the IPL qualifier

This doesnt mean anything. Symbol is like MVP, give him a time for preparation and he will kill you.


We'll see that tomorrow but you seem to forget that Symbol already prepared twice to play MKP (Iron Squid an GSL, and he won both so that goes in your direction) so he was prepared for this match and lost

Showing your strats in IPL qualifiers isnt a good idea. Also MKP is king of qualifiers/tournaments like that

Symbol is 5-0 against MKP in preparation-style tournaments.
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
June 27 2012 13:47 GMT
#2660
On June 27 2012 22:41 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 22:40 Mackus wrote:
If Symbol wins 1st he'll play Taeja in ro8 and because of the gamestate and how good Symbol is on Korean soil I think its safe to say Symbol will be the hot favourite for the GSL if he places 1st -
He'll rip apart Nestea in ZvZ easily I'm not entirely sure Nestea will even advance


Taeja got his work cut out for him if he plays either Symbol or Squirtle.
The play he show today against toss was just depressing to watch.


oh god, if he verse squirtle i cant imagine how depressing it'll be. his best hope is to get MKP or MC, unfortunately i like those two over taeja.
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