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On June 17 2012 06:34 Mosquitow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? IIRC, stephano beat life in some tournament.
Life beat Stephano in the Iron Squid group stage.
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:30 Xoronius wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? Symbol - no. Nestea - I can´t really judge that. Byul, life - yes. You actually think he is worse than symbol but doubt Nestea who has been in code S forever and actually won it ? Symbol has yet to prove himself in GSL but a lot of people think he is the best zerg.
Symbol overrated by alot. He dont even got a fraction of Stephano achievement he didnt look good at all at MLG while Stephano went 5-0 in his group. Once again Symbol is Korean and thats the only reason why people would even say that.
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:32 NoGasfOu wrote:
Symbol, Life, Nestea, DRG and 30 more Code B zergs would own Stephano anytime. Stop trolling.
While exaggerating, he is kind of right. Therea re tons of good players who simply aren't recognized as such because they are not sent to every other event tournament, which means that foreigners tend to think "lol code B scrub ez". Meanwhile, players who stroll around get all the hype because "OMG resultz and small number placingz!".
Watch Puma's results in foreign tournaments compared to korean ones to realize that a few runs in korean "second rate" tournaments can and should be considered extremely relevant to judge a player's overall skill.
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On June 17 2012 06:30 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Puma is so good at terran macro and drops, but just does so much worse in actual big battles then players like Polt or MKP or MVP... There's a reason his Korean winrate in vZ is sub 50% while his others are both over 65% (this all being somewhat inflated by playing mostly in weeklies) Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:30 StarVe wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? Does every tournament LR thread Stephano plays in have to devolve in a debate which exact player he is better or worse than? Whenever a player has obnoxious fans they have obnoxious haters too heh.
Yeah, I do know. I'm just not in the mood for anything obnoxious, I'm simply trying to enjoy DreamHack with the non-obnoxious guys here. 
Works quite well so far, although the games could've been a bit better.
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On June 17 2012 06:34 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:33 najreteip wrote:On June 17 2012 06:32 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2012 06:30 najreteip wrote:On June 17 2012 06:29 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On June 17 2012 06:27 yeint wrote:
I don't get why he wasted gas on ravens. Because they're suppose to be the best terran unit according to TL posters. Careful, Drazerk is around here somewhere I am tempted to give up with ravens... Most terrans just can't micro them at all T_T Lol if even you give up on ravens there is no hope at all Also I am slightly distracted by calling all zergs bad for never using overseers
You need to work on dat multitask
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:30 Xoronius wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? Symbol - no. Nestea - I can´t really judge that. Byul, life - yes. You actually think he is worse than symbol but doubt Nestea who has been in code S forever and actually won it ? Symbol has yet to prove himself in GSL but a lot of people think he is the best zerg.
I haven´t seen Nestea´s games in a long time, because I am at University during GSL, while I have seen Symbol play on a few occasions, so I can only make assumptions about Nestea. And I think DRG is the best Zerg, not Symbol.
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On June 17 2012 06:34 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:32 oZii wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:25 jalstar wrote:On June 17 2012 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. Stephano hasn't won a premier tournament in 8 months. Just throwing that stat out there for people who seem to forget it all too often. Well only 3 Zergs have won a premier tournament more recently than Stephano. So yeah that's more than 1 or 2 but you're being a bit nitpicky. It's just very off base when people talk about Stephano as this god of the game when it's actually a really long time since he won anything major when you wouldn't get anything like the same endless stream of hyperbole for Leenock, Violet, Symbol or any of the various players of other races with better/equal results in 2012 than Stephano. I mean Nestea has similar results to Stephano in the time between them all last winning a tournament and yet Nestea is in this massive slump according to most. http://sc2earnings.com/?year=20121 MvPPark "DongRaeGu" Soo Ho $101,800 2 SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul $71,150 3 PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon $57,030 4 FnaticHan "aLive" Lee Seok $53,390 5 Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $47,330 6 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $42,615I only see 1 other zerg on that list hmmmm.... lol at judging skill based on prize money.
lmao @ judging my post before reading the entire arguement. Tournament results = prize money which is what the argument was about lol. So for this argument yes. Unless we can only base it off of what you PERCEIVE it to be based on. Enlighten me please
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On June 17 2012 06:32 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:25 jalstar wrote:On June 17 2012 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. Stephano hasn't won a premier tournament in 8 months. Just throwing that stat out there for people who seem to forget it all too often. Well only 3 Zergs have won a premier tournament more recently than Stephano. So yeah that's more than 1 or 2 but you're being a bit nitpicky. It's just very off base when people talk about Stephano as this god of the game when it's actually a really long time since he won anything major when you wouldn't get anything like the same endless stream of hyperbole for Leenock, Violet, Symbol or any of the various players of other races with better/equal results in 2012 than Stephano. I mean Nestea has similar results to Stephano in the time between them all last winning a tournament and yet Nestea is in this massive slump according to most. http://sc2earnings.com/?year=20121 MvPPark "DongRaeGu" Soo Ho $101,800 2 SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul $71,150 3 PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon $57,030 4 FnaticHan "aLive" Lee Seok $53,390 5 Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $47,330 6 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $42,615I only see 1 other zerg on that list hmmmm....
Becuase MC's been better this year than MKP right?
And Lucifron's been better than Symbol and Parting?
Money is a poor judge of skill.
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On June 17 2012 06:34 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:33 Sated wrote:On June 17 2012 06:30 KalWarkov wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea I see your comment "Stephano hasnt won a premier tournament in 8 months" for the 4th fucking time now. plz stop to try to annoy ppl and open your eyes - there is 3 zergs who DID WIN a premiier tournament in this time. Stephano overall placed the best in average out of all zergs behind DRG.
Again, im not saying he is the best zerg in the world or stuff like that, but hes awesome, hes the best foreigner and a top 10 zerg in the world period.
Every korean progamer would agree with this statement, im pretty sure. Best foreigner? Maybe when he proves he can do well in GSL, where people have a long time to prepare against his style. That is funny Stephano is the most studied player in Korea since his IPL 3 win and the onyl thing that has happend are Stephano dominating more Koreans You people are so hillarious Matter infact Ill say alot of you a racist if Stephano was Korean you would proberly wont say anything bad about Stephano
his play style is incredibly boring and his attitude towards the game is sickening if he was Korean I doubt anyone would even care about him >.>
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:30 Xoronius wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? Symbol - no. Nestea - I can´t really judge that. Byul, life - yes. You actually think he is worse than symbol but doubt Nestea who has been in code S forever and actually won it ? Symbol has yet to prove himself in GSL but a lot of people think he is the best zerg.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Did you see Moon on the list before the ninja edit? =D
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On June 17 2012 06:34 Mosquitow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? IIRC, stephano beat life in some tournament.
Nope.
Edit: Long link was longer than expected.
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Benjamin99 wrote:
Watch out for Fraer this tournament I expect this to be his "Hello world" tournament
I actually watched WhiteRa 4gate Fraer on his streams a few days ago, and Fraer held very, very impressively, even though he let WhiteRa get into his main. Microed very nicely on two fronts in a high pressure situation. If he can bring that kind of presence of mind to a LAN, I'll be looking forward to seeing some of his games.
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In conclusion to this balance discussion, Ravens are shit. :D
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On June 17 2012 06:35 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:32 oZii wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:25 jalstar wrote:On June 17 2012 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. Stephano hasn't won a premier tournament in 8 months. Just throwing that stat out there for people who seem to forget it all too often. Well only 3 Zergs have won a premier tournament more recently than Stephano. So yeah that's more than 1 or 2 but you're being a bit nitpicky. It's just very off base when people talk about Stephano as this god of the game when it's actually a really long time since he won anything major when you wouldn't get anything like the same endless stream of hyperbole for Leenock, Violet, Symbol or any of the various players of other races with better/equal results in 2012 than Stephano. I mean Nestea has similar results to Stephano in the time between them all last winning a tournament and yet Nestea is in this massive slump according to most. http://sc2earnings.com/?year=20121 MvPPark "DongRaeGu" Soo Ho $101,800 2 SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul $71,150 3 PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon $57,030 4 FnaticHan "aLive" Lee Seok $53,390 5 Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $47,330 6 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $42,615I only see 1 other zerg on that list hmmmm.... and Stephano plays in way more tournaments than Korean Zergs.
Going where the money is, sounds like good decision making to me 
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On June 17 2012 06:34 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:32 oZii wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:25 jalstar wrote:On June 17 2012 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. Stephano hasn't won a premier tournament in 8 months. Just throwing that stat out there for people who seem to forget it all too often. Well only 3 Zergs have won a premier tournament more recently than Stephano. So yeah that's more than 1 or 2 but you're being a bit nitpicky. It's just very off base when people talk about Stephano as this god of the game when it's actually a really long time since he won anything major when you wouldn't get anything like the same endless stream of hyperbole for Leenock, Violet, Symbol or any of the various players of other races with better/equal results in 2012 than Stephano. I mean Nestea has similar results to Stephano in the time between them all last winning a tournament and yet Nestea is in this massive slump according to most. http://sc2earnings.com/?year=20121 MvPPark "DongRaeGu" Soo Ho $101,800 2 SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul $71,150 3 PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon $57,030 4 FnaticHan "aLive" Lee Seok $53,390 5 Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $47,330 6 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $42,615I only see 1 other zerg on that list hmmmm.... lol at judging skill based on prize money.
Can you people please stop this non sense? Every LR that kind of comparison happens and it never ends well.
It doesnt matter how much you love or hate someone, saying his better or worst wont interfere in his games.
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On June 17 2012 06:33 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:30 KalWarkov wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea I see your comment "Stephano hasnt won a premier tournament in 8 months" for the 4th fucking time now. plz stop to try to annoy ppl and open your eyes - there is 3 zergs who DID WIN a premiier tournament in this time. Stephano overall placed the best in average out of all zergs behind DRG.
Again, im not saying he is the best zerg in the world or stuff like that, but hes awesome, hes the best foreigner and a top 10 zerg in the world period.
Every korean progamer would agree with this statement, im pretty sure. Best foreigner? Maybe when he proves he can do well in GSL, where people have a long time to prepare against his style.
He will never play GSL, so it's pretty pointless to talk about it that way.
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On June 17 2012 06:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:32 oZii wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:25 jalstar wrote:On June 17 2012 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. Stephano hasn't won a premier tournament in 8 months. Just throwing that stat out there for people who seem to forget it all too often. Well only 3 Zergs have won a premier tournament more recently than Stephano. So yeah that's more than 1 or 2 but you're being a bit nitpicky. It's just very off base when people talk about Stephano as this god of the game when it's actually a really long time since he won anything major when you wouldn't get anything like the same endless stream of hyperbole for Leenock, Violet, Symbol or any of the various players of other races with better/equal results in 2012 than Stephano. I mean Nestea has similar results to Stephano in the time between them all last winning a tournament and yet Nestea is in this massive slump according to most. http://sc2earnings.com/?year=20121 MvPPark "DongRaeGu" Soo Ho $101,800 2 SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul $71,150 3 PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon $57,030 4 FnaticHan "aLive" Lee Seok $53,390 5 Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $47,330 6 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $42,615I only see 1 other zerg on that list hmmmm.... Becuase MC's been better this year than MKP right? And Lucifron's been better than Symbol and Parting? Money is a poor judge of skill.
Keep hating bro thats all you do. Stephano will still dominate most Koreans in the future
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On June 17 2012 06:37 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:34 Mosquitow wrote:On June 17 2012 06:28 zezamer wrote:On June 17 2012 06:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:On June 17 2012 06:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Stephano hype is so ridiculous. "Only Stephano holds that". Yes that's why DRG is a much better Zerg Geoff. Stephano is a fucking great player sure but say many people seem to forget DRG exists when they're throwing out the hyperbole. If your in a position where you play Starcraft 2 and there's 1 or 2 players better than you of your race, I'd say you've hit the big time. So stephano is better than nestea, buyl, symbol, life etc ? IIRC, stephano beat life in some tournament. Nope. Edit: Long link was longer than expected.
Thanks 2 other people already mentioned it, thanks for being overzealous.
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On June 17 2012 06:36 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:33 Azarkon wrote:On June 17 2012 06:32 NoGasfOu wrote:
Symbol, Life, Nestea, DRG and 30 more Code B zergs would own Stephano anytime. Stop trolling. While exaggerating, he is kind of right. Therea re tons of good players who simply aren't recognized as such because they are not sent to every other event tournament, which means that foreigners tend to think "lol code B scrub ez". Meanwhile, players who stroll around get all the hype because "OMG resultz and small number placingz!". Watch Puma's results in foreign tournaments compared to korean ones to realize that a few runs in korean "second rate" tournaments can and should be considered extremely relevant to judge a player's overall skill.
No, there aren't. You see the same names being sent to tournaments because those are the ones doing well in Korean Weeklies, GSL qualifiers, team matches, and internal practice matches. There aren't 30 Code B Zergs at Stephano's level just waiting to break out in Korea; you don't know a lot about the scene thinking there are.
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Oh man, totally forgot about this. Sweetness!
I'm sort of confused by the air time and location (i.e. which stream) for all of the matches though ._.
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