On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
well MKP's vsZ is his worst matchup and he has lost to delphi and TLO before (among others)... i'd put nerchio's chance at the upset to be about 15-25% acer's win chance (if prime takes this seriously) will be about 1% though i reckon
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
On June 05 2012 00:03 stardog wrote: [quote] Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
On June 05 2012 00:13 ZenithM wrote: [quote] Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
When did he say MKP was clearly above MVP, MMA, Polt and Jjakji?
On June 05 2012 00:13 ZenithM wrote: [quote] Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
mkp was an example of a godtier terran, i never said he was the only one, you ningbat. l2r
erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
On June 07 2012 02:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote: erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
well MKP's vsZ is his worst matchup and he has lost to delphi and TLO before (among others)... i'd put nerchio's chance at the upset to be about 15-25% acer's win chance (if prime takes this seriously) will be about 1% though i reckon
His TvT has always been his worst matchup by a pretty considerable margin actually.
On June 07 2012 02:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote: erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
EPT
